[TC_42Participant]

Ok, so Boston traded Perkins because they didn’t think they would be able to resign him for next season.  Doesn’t that mean that they probably won’t be able to resign Green either?  I would think they would cost about the same.  I can see Green getting about 7 mil/year and Perkins getting about 9.

Am I missing something?  Will Green be a Celtic next year?  If not, where do you see him going?

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Doc Rivers was apparently quoted as saying they are now a lot closer to the 2008 team that won the championship (http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=6155082). They feel that they have never had a sufficient scoring/defending wing off of the bench since James Posey, and that it has hurt the team. Also, that they will need Shaq to of course be healthy and play a huge role. I guess to them, this is going for all the marbles. Also, since Green is a restricted FA, they can still sign him as opposed to risking Perkins walking away for nothing as an unrestricted FA. I think the Celtics will more than likely match his salary and he might even make more than Perkins, though his current role on the team could mean he makes less than a lot of people had originally thought he was worth. Still, I see some team willing to sign him for 8-9 a year, and the Celtics will have the ability to match. With Perkins, I think he may be around 7-8 as well and I would guess the Thunder will have first dibs. He rejected a contract offering him about 5.5 per year in Boston (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/210737/Perkins_Offered_$22M_Over_Four_Years_Not_$30M), so if he gets 7, I am guessing it is all good.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Doc Rivers was apparently quoted as saying they are now a lot closer to the 2008 team that won the championship (http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=6155082). They feel that they have never had a sufficient scoring/defending wing off of the bench since James Posey, and that it has hurt the team. Also, that they will need Shaq to of course be healthy and play a huge role. I guess to them, this is going for all the marbles. Also, since Green is a restricted FA, they can still sign him as opposed to risking Perkins walking away for nothing as an unrestricted FA. I think the Celtics will more than likely match his salary and he might even make more than Perkins, though his current role on the team could mean he makes less than a lot of people had originally thought he was worth. Still, I see some team willing to sign him for 8-9 a year, and the Celtics will have the ability to match. With Perkins, I think he may be around 7-8 as well and I would guess the Thunder will have first dibs. He rejected a contract offering him about 5.5 per year in Boston (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/210737/Perkins_Offered_$22M_Over_Four_Years_Not_$30M), so if he gets 7, I am guessing it is all good.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Maybe the Celtics are getting cocky. They feel like they developed Perkins, from an extremely raw center who was barely supposed to be in the league. Why should a Center who is a  product of the system in place get paid as much as Rondo? Maybe they feel like they can make a starting C? Sign Gasol or Jordan for cheaper. Maybe they want to get smaller. Who knows, all I know is that they still are a top 3 team to win it all, and have a good future with Rondo, Lebrons dad, Bradley, Green, and that Chris Johnson kid.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Maybe the Celtics are getting cocky. They feel like they developed Perkins, from an extremely raw center who was barely supposed to be in the league. Why should a Center who is a  product of the system in place get paid as much as Rondo? Maybe they feel like they can make a starting C? Sign Gasol or Jordan for cheaper. Maybe they want to get smaller. Who knows, all I know is that they still are a top 3 team to win it all, and have a good future with Rondo, Lebrons dad, Bradley, Green, and that Chris Johnson kid.

[goneParticipant]

I think the Celtics just dont wanna pay a guy who is a offensive liabilty 8-10 millions dollars. They already have rondo on the floor so its like playing 3 1/2 on 5 in the half court game.  

[goneParticipant]

I think the Celtics just dont wanna pay a guy who is a offensive liabilty 8-10 millions dollars. They already have rondo on the floor so its like playing 3 1/2 on 5 in the half court game.  

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Yeah Perkins is a tough guy, and sets the tone on defense but over the past few years he has become seriously overrated.  Perkins is a center and centers especially ones of his defensive caliber are going to get paid big money, look at Tyson, Sammy D, and Biendrins, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Perkins get a 10 mil a year contract.

The Celtics obviously don’t feel like paying that for a player they know better then anybody, so they know if he’s worth it or not.  They’re future would be Rondo and Perkins, and neither of them guys can score.  I think that OKC started these talks to get bigger because the Celtics have been winning all year without him and offered Jeff Green which to me would be a deal too good for the Celtics to pass on.  

Green is a great player who is perfect for that organization and gives them plantly flexibility and versatility going forward knowing they have their forward position locked up.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Yeah Perkins is a tough guy, and sets the tone on defense but over the past few years he has become seriously overrated.  Perkins is a center and centers especially ones of his defensive caliber are going to get paid big money, look at Tyson, Sammy D, and Biendrins, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Perkins get a 10 mil a year contract.

The Celtics obviously don’t feel like paying that for a player they know better then anybody, so they know if he’s worth it or not.  They’re future would be Rondo and Perkins, and neither of them guys can score.  I think that OKC started these talks to get bigger because the Celtics have been winning all year without him and offered Jeff Green which to me would be a deal too good for the Celtics to pass on.  

Green is a great player who is perfect for that organization and gives them plantly flexibility and versatility going forward knowing they have their forward position locked up.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

After a month of seeing a finisher like Shaq with Rondo I knew if Perk asked for a lot of money he was getting traded. I like Perk, but If I am Danny Ainge I do this deal asap. Get Green. Yes Green should be paid more than Perk. I like Perk, but like it was already said, he got slightly overrated. Still one of the best if not the best Post defender, but not a monster shot blocker. Lost some lift too and struggled to finish dunks around the rim.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

After a month of seeing a finisher like Shaq with Rondo I knew if Perk asked for a lot of money he was getting traded. I like Perk, but If I am Danny Ainge I do this deal asap. Get Green. Yes Green should be paid more than Perk. I like Perk, but like it was already said, he got slightly overrated. Still one of the best if not the best Post defender, but not a monster shot blocker. Lost some lift too and struggled to finish dunks around the rim.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 They were not going to sign Perkins.  He was going to cost way too much, given that he is a serious offensive liabilty (can’t create or finish, regardless of fg% numbers.  Just about all his shots are around the rim and 60% from the field is poor for the center there.  Perkins also is extremely turnover prone)  and they already have a lot of money paid to Rondo and the Big 3.  I think they may be active in the free agent market in 2 or 3 years.  

Despite the negatives I listed for Perkins, I am a big fan and will miss his presence on the Celtics.  This is an extremely risky move by the Celtics.  He is an elite level defender, perhaps the best post defender in the NBA, and rotates phenomenally.  He also has been rebounding extremely well since returning from injury this season.  The Thunder made a great deal, which instantly improved their chances of making the finals.  They have really struggled on defense, but with Perkins, Ibaka, Collison, and Mohammed/Aldrich down low, if they aren’t a top 10 defense in the NBA before long, I will be surprised.  That is some serious size, length, and defensive ability down low. 

Glen Davis is an excellent defender, however, and the Celtics will rely on him in the playoffs.  He has already been given serious trust in crunch time minutes by Doc Rivers.  The Celtics were in serious need of a small forward to spell Pierce, and Green could be an excellent spot 4 for matching up with small units by the Spurs or Heat, although the Celtics handling of the Heat’s going small (by having Glen Davis defend James Jones and then post Jones up) worked last time.   

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 They were not going to sign Perkins.  He was going to cost way too much, given that he is a serious offensive liabilty (can’t create or finish, regardless of fg% numbers.  Just about all his shots are around the rim and 60% from the field is poor for the center there.  Perkins also is extremely turnover prone)  and they already have a lot of money paid to Rondo and the Big 3.  I think they may be active in the free agent market in 2 or 3 years.  

Despite the negatives I listed for Perkins, I am a big fan and will miss his presence on the Celtics.  This is an extremely risky move by the Celtics.  He is an elite level defender, perhaps the best post defender in the NBA, and rotates phenomenally.  He also has been rebounding extremely well since returning from injury this season.  The Thunder made a great deal, which instantly improved their chances of making the finals.  They have really struggled on defense, but with Perkins, Ibaka, Collison, and Mohammed/Aldrich down low, if they aren’t a top 10 defense in the NBA before long, I will be surprised.  That is some serious size, length, and defensive ability down low. 

Glen Davis is an excellent defender, however, and the Celtics will rely on him in the playoffs.  He has already been given serious trust in crunch time minutes by Doc Rivers.  The Celtics were in serious need of a small forward to spell Pierce, and Green could be an excellent spot 4 for matching up with small units by the Spurs or Heat, although the Celtics handling of the Heat’s going small (by having Glen Davis defend James Jones and then post Jones up) worked last time.   

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Honestly i thought the Thunder gave up too much to get him.  Jeff Green is being undervalued if anybody thinks this was a bad trade for the Celtics.  Perkins is one of the best on ball defenders in the post that we have saw in over a decade but he is not a rim protector.  Usually rim protector and great defensive centers go hand in hand but not for Perkins.  Another thing that Perkins is not is a great rebounder.  Perkins is a very good rebounder but he don’t have the exceptional hands and anticipation skills that separates him from players like Kevin Love, and Bogut.  And the Thunder have Ibaka and Aldrich developing nicely I can’t see them overpaying to keep Perkins either.  But for this season he gives them interior toughness and when him and Collison are on the court together it’s going to be fun.  Even tho neither Perkins nor Collison are explosive enough to block shots, I feel sorry for a guard thinking they have a simple lay up once they get into the lane on them because they’re world will crash down on them.

Bottom Line is Jeff Green just made the Celtics even scarier and more versatilile and with both O’Neals, and Davis still there they didn’t really sacrifice too much girth.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Honestly i thought the Thunder gave up too much to get him.  Jeff Green is being undervalued if anybody thinks this was a bad trade for the Celtics.  Perkins is one of the best on ball defenders in the post that we have saw in over a decade but he is not a rim protector.  Usually rim protector and great defensive centers go hand in hand but not for Perkins.  Another thing that Perkins is not is a great rebounder.  Perkins is a very good rebounder but he don’t have the exceptional hands and anticipation skills that separates him from players like Kevin Love, and Bogut.  And the Thunder have Ibaka and Aldrich developing nicely I can’t see them overpaying to keep Perkins either.  But for this season he gives them interior toughness and when him and Collison are on the court together it’s going to be fun.  Even tho neither Perkins nor Collison are explosive enough to block shots, I feel sorry for a guard thinking they have a simple lay up once they get into the lane on them because they’re world will crash down on them.

Bottom Line is Jeff Green just made the Celtics even scarier and more versatilile and with both O’Neals, and Davis still there they didn’t really sacrifice too much girth.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Just to clarify I really like Perkins and I love his style of play.  He’s a throwback house protector in the sense of Bill Lambeer and Rick Mahorn.  He is also an enforcer and I love enforcers.  But in terms of pure basketball value Jeff Green is a notch ahead.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Just to clarify I really like Perkins and I love his style of play.  He’s a throwback house protector in the sense of Bill Lambeer and Rick Mahorn.  He is also an enforcer and I love enforcers.  But in terms of pure basketball value Jeff Green is a notch ahead.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 This is a great deal for them.  Green can score, but he can’t defend power forwards, is shooting only 44% on the season, including only 30% from beyond the arc, and only averages 5.5 rebounds per game despite playing over 37 minutes per game at power forward.  He also isn’t a part of any of the Thunder’s best line-ups.  They have tried and failed for years to find a reliable defensive center, and Perkins is an elite defensive center.

@Mr. 19134  Maybe Perkins isn’t an elite rebounder at Love’s level, but his averaging over 8 boards per game while playing 26 minutes per game for a slow paced team that leads the NBA in fg% is nothing to shrug at.  There are only a handful of  centers in the league who can rebound as well as Perkins.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 This is a great deal for them.  Green can score, but he can’t defend power forwards, is shooting only 44% on the season, including only 30% from beyond the arc, and only averages 5.5 rebounds per game despite playing over 37 minutes per game at power forward.  He also isn’t a part of any of the Thunder’s best line-ups.  They have tried and failed for years to find a reliable defensive center, and Perkins is an elite defensive center.

@Mr. 19134  Maybe Perkins isn’t an elite rebounder at Love’s level, but his averaging over 8 boards per game while playing 26 minutes per game for a slow paced team that leads the NBA in fg% is nothing to shrug at.  There are only a handful of  centers in the league who can rebound as well as Perkins.

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