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With March Madness right around the corner...I'm curious to see who everyone thinks is the favorite to win: Player of the Year, Freshman of the Year, Coach of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year, and National Champ.Could Anthony Daivs really win the trifecta?

POY = Anthony Davis – Kentucky

FOY= Anthony Davis – Kentucky

COY = Bill Self – Kansas

DPOY = Anthony Davis – Kentucky

NC = Syracuse

And No, I'm not from Kentucky or a huge Kentucky fan.


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Mine would be:

NPOY: Thomas Robinson, Kansas

Reasoning: As much as I am a big fan of what Anthony Davis has done, I think Robinson has been even more crucial to his teams success. I had really low expectations for Kansas and Robinson is the main reason they have a legitimate chance at a #1 or 2 seed in the tournament. You could take Anthony Davis off of Kentucky and they would be a worse team, most definitely. You take Thomas Robinson off of Kansas, I am not sure they make the tournament. Anthony Davis may be the runner-up, but I still think Robinson is my POY with only a few games left.

DPOY: Anthony Davis, Kentucky

Reasoning: I think people go a little overboard with just how good of a defender he actually is (in terms of thinking he is a next level shut down out the gate), but his impact has been incredible. He is playing a position that may not be natural at center, but he is playing it incredibly well and is completely disruptive in a number of facets. He makes teams think about shooting close to the basket and is also very active whenever the ball is near his area. He appears to be a pretty clear choice as this years DPOY.

Coach of the Year: Bill Self, Kansas

Reasoning: Probably the best coaching job he has done in his career, which is saying a lot. This team has incredibly limited death and has had numerous issues of consistency to overcome at various spots. They have done it with flying colors and I think Self should get a lot of credit for that.

Freshman of the Year: Anthony Davis, Kentucky

Reasoning: At the mid year point, I was leaning towards Mike Kidd-Gilchrist, for his play in the big games. I still think Mike has had a great year, but Davis has been far more consistent with his production. This is another one that is not even close, think that Anthony Davis has easily had the best year of any freshman in college basketball by a fairly wide margin. This includes players such as Mike Kidd-Gilchrist, Cody Zeller, Bradley Beal, Austin Rivers, Moe Harkless and even board darling Tony Wroten Jr.

National Champion: North Carolina

Reasoning: Oh, I have had my doubts. The drudging by Florida State. They could not pull out Kentucky and blew the closing against Duke. They also don't have Dexter Strickland and do not seem to be getting Leslie McDonald back, either. Still, I chose this team from the beginning of the year, and like the stubborn @ss I am, I will stick with them. They have experience, length and even though none of their depth is a true PG, they are lucky Kendall Marshall rarely misses much court time as is.

Kentucky and Syracuse obviously have been playing a cut above everyone. Kentucky was the team I was flipping the coin with NC at the beginning of the season and they look every bit as good as I expected. Nonetheless, if there is a re-match between these teams on neutral turf, I think North Carolina might have the edge. Kentucky has no depth. They are not confident giving anyone outside of 6 players major minutes, this includes Kyle Wiltjer. Reggie Bullock is getting better, with PJ Hairson and James Michael McAdoo gaining some trust as well. This season has not worked out as expected for UNC, but I think they have the formula for tourney success.

The team that looks probably better than either as far as depth is concerned is Syracuse. The fact they can go 10 deep has worked exceptionally well, plus they play excellent defense and seem to know their roles. My issue is, if they play a team like Kentucky or North Carolina, will that be enough that base of talent? They have won a lot of close games, which is the sign of a great team, but while they have played in a tough Big East conference, I think that North Carolina and Kentucky may have had a tougher overall schedule. Jim Boeheim's team is poised to do well in the tournament, but I think that they eventually lose out to a team with enough star power to get past their deep line-up. Still flipping a coin with UNC and Kentucky, but I am leaning UNC. Crazy things happen in the tournament, which could apply to either team, but I think UNC has a set-up to succeed despite a slight showing of inconsistency this season from time to time.

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I have the same prediction as

I have the same prediction as MikeyV except Kentucky instead of UNC. I'll throw in my Final 4 picks which consist of UNC, Kentucky, Syracuse, and Michigan St

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How bout each power

How bout each power conference awards? Conf POY, FOY, DPOY and coach. I dont know enough about all of the conferences to speculate but I would be curious to see other peoples thoughts on taht

NPOY- T.Robinson- Kansas isnt a top 25 team without him this year. The inconsistencies of Taylor, Johnson, and Withey would all be magnified without him completely holding down the fort all year. He's been a constant and consistently put up big numbers. He edges Davis because Kentucky has alot of guys and dont lean on him as much on both ends of the floor.

DPOY-A. Davis- no real way around it. Kentucky has its best chance to win the ship in the Calipari era this year because of what he does for them defensively. He beats out Melo because of Cuse's 2-3 taking away from Melo's defensive dominance in some eyes.

Coach of the Year- Tom Izzo- MSU looked like a 7 to 12 seed at the beginning of the season, and now they are making a run at the Big 10 title, which is the best conference in America...this year. I have watched MSU probably 6 to 8 times this season and still can't name a big chunk of their players. They only have 2 who will be all conf picks most likely. He edges Bill Self because of the depth of the Big 10 year being a bit tougher than the Big 12, even though they could get 4 teams to the Sweet 16

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Good Picks Providence

All solid teams. Mine would be UNC and Kentucky, which I would LOVE to see as a re-match after the first game was indeed, really good. Always hard to give Final 4 predictions, seeing that seeding will definitely play a role, but my two other teams would be Syracuse and Ohio State.

I saw Michigan State beat Ohio State, but I have never seen Ohio State play that poorly this season. Have to give the MSU defense a lot of credit and Adreian Payne was just that, but I have a feeling Ohio State will return the favor in Lansing on March 4. I still consider Jared Sullinger the most dominant force in college basketball right now (at the very least in the offensive post) and feel that had he not been injured, he would probably be challenging Thomas Robinson for POY. He had a tough game against MSU, which is proof that he is mortal, but I think he will come to play come March.

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I am a little weary of the

I am a little weary of the Spartans guard play but Draymond Green is such a weapon that I think he counteracts their guard play. As for the conference breakdown for POY ill do the two im most familiar with...

ACC- Harrison Barnes- tough call but Virginia has been slowing down so that eliminates Mike Scott, Stoglin's team drags him down, and Barnes is the leader of UNC. Im not gutsy enough to go with Kendall Marshall even though I think he deserves some consideration. Rivers and Plumlee have done well too but Barnes is my guy.

Big East- Kevin Jones- Beast of the East. Teams game plan solely against him and he still goes for 20 and 10. Clark and DJO are also up there

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Here are my teams

Know there are a few games still left for things to change, but taking that into account here are my award and All-Conference team predicts:

Lets give them out for all of the "Blog" conferences (ie. any conference that has a blog on NBADraft.net, sorry midmajors). I will throw in some All-Conference teams as well: ACC

POY: Tyler Zeller, North Carolina

FOY: Austin Rivers, Duke

DPOY: John Henson, North Carolina

COY: Leonard Hamilton, Florida State (has killed it in conference)

All-ACC 1st Team

C Tyler Zeller, North Carolina

F John Henson, North Carolina

F Harrison Barnes, North Carolina

G Austin Rivers, Duke (I realize that Maryland and Terrell Stoglin fans will hate me. Sorry)

G Kendall Marshall, North Carolina (Yes, it is crazy that UNC has 4 All-ACC first teamers. Crazier still that they all deserve it)

All-ACC 2nd Team

C Bernard James, Florida State

F Mike Scott, Virginia

F Mason Plumlee, Duke

G Michael Snaer, Florida State

G Terrell Stoglin, Maryland

All-ACC 3rd Team

F CJ Leslie, North Carolina State

F Ryan Kelly, Duke

F Travis McKie, Wake Forest

G Seth Curry, Duke

G Lorenzo Brown, North Carolina State

Big 12

POY: Thomas Robinson, Kansas

FOY: Quincy Miller, Baylor (If it were "Newcomer of the Year", than Royce White)

DPOY: Kim English, Missouri

COY: Bill Self, Kansas

All-Big 12 1st Team

F Thomas Robinson, Kansas

F Ricardo Ratliffe, Missouri

G Marcus Denmon, Missouri

G J'Covan Brown, Texas

G Kim English, Missouri

All-Big 12 2nd Team

F Royce White, Iowa State

F Quincy Acy, Baylor

F Perry Jones III, Baylor

G Rodney McGruder, Kansas State

G Tyshawn Taylor, Kansas

All-Big 12 3rd Team

F Jamar Samuels, Kansas State

F Quincy Miller, Baylor

G Steven Pledger, Oklahoma

G Pierre Jackson, Baylor

G Flip Pressey, Missouri

Big 10

POY: Jared Sullinger, Ohio State

FOY: Cody Zeller, Indiana

DPOY: Aaron Craft, Ohio State

COY: Tom Izzo, Michigan State

All-Big 10 1st Team

C Jared Sullinger, Ohio State (He plays C in college)

C Cody Zeller, Indiana

F Draymond Green, Michigan State

G William Buford, Ohio State

G Jordan Taylor, Wisconsin

All-Big 10 2nd Team

C Meyers Leonard, Illinois

F Robbie Hummel, Purdue

F John Shurna, Northwestern

G Tim Hardaway Jr., Michigan

G Drew Crawford, Northwestern

All-Big 10 3rd Team

C Jared Berggren, Wisconsin (had to include him to make it 6)

F Christian Watford, Indiana

F DeShaun Thomas, Ohio State

G Brandon Paul, Illinois

G Trey Burke, Michigan

G Keith Appling, Michigan State

Big East

POY: Kevin Jones, West Virginia

FOY: Moe Harkless, St. John's (Yes, I realize his team is not very good)

DPOY: Jae Crowder, Marquette (Will probably be Gorgui Dieng, and if you had to give it to a team, Syracuse)

COY: Jim Boeheim, Syracuse (Against the back drop of Bernie Fine, they are absolutely killing it. Runner-up is Mike Brey at Notre Dame. Thought they were done without Abromaitis, they actually got better)

All-Big East 1st Team

F Kevin Jones, West Virginia

F Jae Crowder, Marquette

F Kris Joseph, Syracuse

G Jeremy Lamb, Connecticut

G Darius Johnson-Odom, Marquette

All-Big East 2nd Team

C Gorgui Dieng, Louisville

F Herb Pope, Seton Hall

G Dion Waiters, Syracuse

G Maalik Wayns, Villanova

G Jason Clark, Georgetown

All-Big East 3rd Team

F Jack Cooley, Notre Dame

F Yancy Gates, Cincinnatti

F Kyle Kuric, Louisville

F Hollis Thompson, Georgetown

G Jerian Grant, Notre Dame

Definitely the toughest conference to do with so much talent at guard and so many worthy candidates. I left off a number of high profile guards with poor shooting percentages (Ashton Gibbs, Shabazz Napier, Vincent Council, Jordan Theodore and Truck Bryant) and put solid players from strong teams in their place. Will be interesting to see how the Big East All-Conference looks at the end of the year, but my pre-season was radically different. It looked like there would be no way Ashton Gibbs was even a question mark, Andre Drummond and Shabazz Napier both looked like they had potential spots. Well, such is the NCAA season.

Pac-12

POY: Devoe Joseph, Oregon

Reasoning (I get that much before people go ape):

Who is your front runner for Pac-12 POY? Jorge Guttierez is probably who most people would point to as the likely favorite. He has been very solid (13.4 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 4.3 apg) for a team that is likely the best in the conference. Plus, people will bring up that Jared Cunningham and Motum score more, which is true though their teams are clearly not as good as Oregon. I truly did not come into this year thinking Oregon would have a POY candidate, but as the season has progressed, I think that Devoe is certainly legit in a conference with no real stand out star above all.

I may be a tad biased (for those who do not know, I went to and love University of Oregon), but I would not be doing this unless I thought it was legitimate. Many people had high expectations for the Ducks this season, but most of those rested on Jabari Brown. Devoe was considered by many a wildcard. Well, this wildcard gave the Ducks a really strong hand. This is the conference that has probably the fewest likeable or legitimate candidates for POY out of all the major conferences (yes, the Pac-12 still is that), but I like Devoe in this one.

The Ducks are 9-5 right now, with two losses to Cal plus the others to Washington (who we also beat), Oregon State and Colorado. Devoe is averaging 16.6 ppg, 3.6 rpg and 2.9 apg (with a much better assist to turnover ratio than either Tony Wroten or Jared Cunningham. Plus, only slightly behind Guttierez). He is shooting 46.6% FG, 44.5% 3PT and 83.3% FT. His numbers may not blow you away, but neither will those of the other candidates, who Devoe has been more efficient than in terms of ball control and shooting.

Losing to Cal last night was a major blow for Devoe's candidacy, but he had the Ducks right in it until the end. He scored 33 points last night while Jorge Guttierez had 7 on 2-7 shooting. Justin Cobbs was the step up guy for Cal along with Harper Kamp, but it was the Devoe show for U of O. I know Devoe missed the first 6 games of the season (due to the nature of his transfer), but he has been fantastic for U of O and is the reason we have any chance at the NCAA Tournament. I do not think any player in the Pac-12 has been more important to their team, which is why I like Devoe as player of the year.

FOY: Tony Wroten, Washington (This one was easy)

DPOY: Jared Cunningham, Oregon State

COY: Tad Boyle, Colorado

All-Pac 12 Team (Not sure they changed it due to the new conference, but it is usually a 10 person squad)

G Devoe Joseph, Oregon

G Jorge Guttierez, Cal

G Jared Cunningham, Oregon State

G Tony Wroten Jr., Washington

G Allen Crabbe, Cal

G Justin Cobbs, Cal

F Terrence Ross, Washington

F Andre Roberson, Colorado

F Solomon Hill, Arizona

F Brock Motum, Washington State

Last 5 out:

Lazeric Jones, UCLA

CJ Wilcox, Washington

EJ Singler, Oregon

Jesse Perry, Arizona

Carlon Brown, Colorado

SEC

POY: Anthony Davis, Kentucky

FOY: Same dude, Kentucky

DPOY: That guy with the unibrow who blocks a lot of shots, Kentucky

COY: John Calipari, Kentucky (May not be national coache of the year and his team is obviously stacked. But, he was the one with the vision and the one who has guided them to being a missed triple at Indiana away from having a perfect season)

All-SEC 1st Team

C Anthony Davis, Kentucky (Yeah, he played center, lol)

F Arnett Moultrie, Mississippi State

F Jeffery Taylor, Vanderbilt

F Mike Kidd-Gilchrist, Kentucky

G John Jenkins, Vanderbilt

All-SEC 2nd Team

C Justin Hamilton, LSU

G Doron Lamb, Kentucky

G Brad Beal, Florida

G Kenny Boynton, Florida

G Dee Bost, Mississippi State

All-SEC 3rd Team

C Patric Young, Florida

F JaMychal Green, Alabama

F Terrence Jones, Kentucky

F Jeronne Maymon, Tennessee

G Erving Walker, Florida

Finally, for the entire NCAA in 2012 (Without guided positions, as I tend to think they just vote for the best players)

NPOY: Thomas Robinson

NFOY: Anthony Davis

NDPOY: Anthony Davis

NCOY: Bill Self

NCAA 1st Team

F Thomas Robinson, Kansas

C Anthony Davis, Kentucky

C Jared Sullinger, Ohio State

F Doug McDermott, Creighton

F Kevin Jones, West Virginia

NCAA 2nd Team

G Marcus Denmon, Missouri

C Tyler Zeller, North Carolina

F Harrison Barnes, North Carolina

G Damian Lillard, Weber State

F Draymond Green, Michigan State

NCAA 3rd Team

F Ricardo Ratliffe, Missouri

F Mike Kidd-Gilchrist, Kentucky

F John Henson, North Carolina

F Kris Joseph, Syracuse

G Darius Johnson-Odom, Marquette

5 Honorable Mention:

C Cody Zeller, Indiana

F Jae Crowder, Marquette

G Scott Machado, Iona

G John Jenkins, Vanderbilt

G Isaiah Canaan, Murray State

Will answer questions and am fine with comments. Will also post this on NCAA Daily.

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Mikeyv you never cease to

Mikeyv you never cease to amaze me with all the information you put out there lol its crazy man but in a good way. I won't sit here and list every single thing I agree or disagree with but I will say that I disagree with bill self being the national coach of the year. I would even argue that frank haith has done better with Missouri and may win big 12 COY.. I may be biased living in Indiana but I think Crean has done an awesome job with IU and deserves more credit but I actually think Tom Izzo is the national COY. He turned a preseason unranked team into what I believe is a championship contender. Say what you want but they have proven they can beat final four caliber teams and they don't have to b at home either. There are alot of good choices for this award but I think he deserves it as much as anybody

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POY = Thomas Robinson FOY=

POY = Thomas Robinson

FOY= Anthony Davis

COY = Tom Izzo

DPOY = Davis

NC = UNC

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Tom Crean is definitely a candidate

But I really believe that Bill Self has done a fantastic job this season. I had very little faith in this team. Not as little as I had in Indiana, but I think Kansas is a better team that will finish with a better record and tourney seed. Plus, they have no McDonald's All-Americans and had all of their marquee freshmen not qualify.

Frank Haith has done an incredible job too and I am sure people might argue for his candidacy as well. I think the game against Kansas next weekend will be key for Self to win the award, but I really respect this guy as a coach. Izzo, Crean and Haith are all fantastic coaches having great seasons, but Bill Self has done an incredible job in my eyes. I was a skeptic of his, but he has won me over this year and done an excellent job with this Kansas squad.

Thanks though, man. If you have any other things you want to discuss or note, I am all ears. I more than likely will stand by my choices, but there is definitely room for discussion with a number of them. Sure I have had some people neg me for leaving one of their homies off a team or snubbing a guy for an award. Feel free to share, I will probably be more interested in debating than confrontational.

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POY = Anthony Davis or Thomas

POY = Anthony Davis or Thomas Robinson

FOY= Anthony Davis

COY = Bill Self

DPOY = Anthony Davis

NC = I really think it will (and hope) it will be UNC-Kentucky, with a gun to my head I'd say Kentucky wins.

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Anthony Davis OR Thomas Robinson

Weak, Y2G. Yes, those are the two candidates. Yes, there are more than 1 major POY award (Naismith, Wooden and AP I believe). But, MAKE THE CHOICE MAN! There is always one guy you think deserves it more. I can't remember when I have said I thought two guys should share MVP other than in an All-Star game.

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Thomas Robinson.

Thomas Robinson.

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I understand that you didn't

I understand that you didn't have much faith in Kansas preseason and they are a better team than IU and arguably better than MSU as well.. But don't forget that they were ranked 13th preseason so while you may have had your doubts most people thought they would be pretty good. Self has done a great job coaching I know that winning COY isn't just wins and losses but still.. They were expected to be good and they are good. Not to mention they have one of if not the best player in the whole nation

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Well......

It is not like Michigan State, Indiana or Missouri have slouches. But, I see what you are saying. They even surpassed peoples expectations, though, much like the other coaches teams you mentioned. Plus, it is not about the most wins, I just feel Self has done an excellent job with a team with a number of glaring weaknesses.

He had confidence in Tyshawn Taylor when it looked like he was working in a bakery with all of those turnovers. The work done with Jeff Withey is pretty groundbreaking. I think most people had given up on Withey, but Self challenged him. Also, T-Rob is obviously a beast, but Self took it slow with him and it has taken him from back-up (of two lottery picks) to a NPOY candidate. I did not think T-Rob would be putting up damn near 18 and 12.

The other coaches have done a lot as well. People were calling for Crean's head (though, the guy was stacking up recruits like nobodies business) and he turned it around. They won some big time games, but have slowed down a bit in conference. Izzo has been excellent as well after last years mediocre season. He could very well win it, but I think most people were pretty high on this team as well. They just played two top 10 teams to start the season and were labeled for underachieving last year.

Frank Haith's first year at Missouri has been amazing and I think that some would say he is doing a better job than Self by his teams record. A lot of people lost faith in the team after the news that Laurence Bowers would be out for the year. Well, they were good last year and their guards are even better. Ricardo Ratliffe made a major jump and the have overwhelmed teams with offense and pressure D. Haith deserves a lot of credit and their season has been super impressive. I still feel that Bill Self's season of coaching has been on that level. It is pretty objective, these coaches do not play after all, but I tend to believe Self deserves it as much if not more than any coach in college basketball.

Also, thank you Y2G. Much appreciated, no longer weak.

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you make great points like

you make great points like always, and i do agree that self has done a great job, but i dont see you changing your mind any time soon lol so lets agree to disagree. we have a lot of season left so lets just see how it turns out

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Can do

Was fun debating with you nonetheless. Not putting you down and I liked your choices. Just pretty happy with mine being Self right now. If Frank Haith can beat him at Allen Fieldhouse, than that might change things quite a bit. I would like to see Indiana finish Big 10 play strong for Crean to have a chance, but at midseason I think Crean looked like the odds on favorite. He has done a great job and I had a feeling he would turn things around at Indiana eventually. Landing Cody Zeller was huge, but they have great complimentary pieces.

If most of my family had a vote, they would probably choose Tom Izzo (well, after Dana Altman). My grandfather played handball with legendary Michigan State coach Jud Heathcoate (Magic Johnson's coach). So, when Michigan State came to Oregon for the Far West Shootout (think that is what it was called), my grandparents were invited to the coaches dinner. Tom Izzo was at the table as an assistant coach.

Jud and my grandpa were really gregarious, quite outspoken. They also were super competitive athletes. So, when they started talking about my uncle playing handball, Jud asked my grandma a question. It was, "(My grandma's name), is he as good as (My grandfather's name) and I were?" Without hesitation, my grandmother said, "I don't know, but he certainly is not as full of $hit as either one of you." Apparently, Izzo nearly fell off of his chair laughing. Goes down in our family story archive and we tend to like Tom Izzo, with some even cheering for Michigan State at times.

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MikeyV, we love you.

MikeyV, we love you.

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Love you too, Iggy

Man, I want you to post your list as well. Would definitely put that on NCAA Daily and on the main page. You are Mr. College Basketball.

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I will, but probably at the

I will, but probably at the end of the regular season

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Yeezy

List time, homie. I would probably make a couple changes, but nothing to huge to mine. Tyshawn Taylor takes Kim English's spot on the 1st Team All-Big 12. I also like that Jae Crowder won Big East POY, as well as Kevin Jones played this season, Crowder was a beast for Marquette. Well, guess I would make some slight changes, but a few things definitely happened since I made my lists, lol.

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