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Cavs trying to get the 2nd pick as well....

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Cavs trying to get the 2nd pick as well....

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/news/story?id=6603100&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

Already owners of the No. 1 pick in the draft, the Cleveland Cavaliers are trying to sweeten their position by securing the second pick as well, according to league sources.

The Cavaliers are in discussions with the Minnesota Timberwolves and Detroit Pistons about a three-team trade that would give Cleveland the top two picks of next month's NBA draft.

The Cavaliers would use the picks to select Duke point guard Kyrie Irving and Arizona forward Derrick Williams, the sources said.

In the trade being discussed, Cleveland would absorb Detroit's Rip Hamilton into the $14.6 million trade exception it received in last summer's LeBron James sign-and-trade with Miami, while also receiving the Pistons' No. 8 pick. The Cavaliers would then send that pick, along with their fourth pick, to Minnesota for the Timberwolves' second pick.

Cleveland would then buy Hamilton out of the two years, $25 million remaining on his contract, leaving the veteran shooting guard free to sign with another club as a free agent. Chicago would be one of the likeliest destinations.

Cleveland nearly traded for Hamilton at the February trade deadline with the intention of buying him out. In that scenario, Hamilton would have signed with Chicago after the buyout. The motivation for Detroit, which has been looking to move Hamilton for years, is mainly financial.

Whether the trade comes to fruition or not, the Cavaliers are all but certain to use the No. 1 pick on Irving, a favorite of the team's front office. The club's owner, Dan Gilbert, is a huge fan of Williams and sees him and Irving as building blocks for the future.


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Great way to rebuild

Getting Irving and Williams would be a great start to rebuilding. The cavs will be exciting to watch if nothing else. And if Williams is able to make that transition to small forward and the Cavs can keep Hickson at power forward, The cavs may actually win some games next season.

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I think I would rather have

I think I would rather have the 1st, 4th and 8th pick then 1st and 2nd. They could have Irving, Burks and say Bismack or Tristan or Leonard with the 8th.

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Potential lineup (without any

Potential lineup (without any other trades etc)..

PG: Irving

SG: Gee

SF: D. Williams

PF: Hickson

C: Varejao

Leaving Baron Davis, Daniel Gibson, Jamison, Sessions, Hollins etc. all coming off the bench (although the lineup I projected wouldn't be the starting lineup).. Plus, I see Jamison and Sessions being traded before the season starts..

Regardless, a young core of Irving/Williams/Hickson/Varejao is a solid, young, energetic core to rebuilt with.

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i understand the pistons want

i understand the pistons want to get rid of rip

but y trade ur only 1st round draft pick

maybe dumars is thinkin he cant get a good enuff player to make that kind of impact at number 8 for him

but there are some big men that he can choose from at 8 possibly

idk what dumars is thinking

he needs to be fired with BS hes pulling off

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@Universal. The Pistons would

@Universal. The Pistons would be saving around 25million by giving up Hamiltons contract for nothing. Giving away the 8th pick seems like 25million to me

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i can't see Pistons doing

i can't see Pistons doing this trade like this, they must be getting somthing extra, maybe J.J. Hickson or Jonny Flynn...

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The Pistons are only giving

The Pistons are only giving up the 8th pick. Richard Hamilton can still play basketball but he is owed 25 million. There is not a single team in the NBA that wants to pay him that. He will be bought out immediately and the pistons save 25 million. The Cavs are doing them a huge favor and saving them 25 million and are only asking for the 8th pick in a weak draft.

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The Pistons is being sold to

The Pistons is being sold to the new ownership, so that could be another reason as getting rid of Rip Ham would save them 25 mil for the new ownership.

The Pistons had been losing money and the new owner may be behind the move.

Also, the Pistons is not in a situation to rebuild with 3 bad contracts in Rip Ham, Ben Gordon and Charlie V. If they do this deal, they would only have a ~37mil salary. If they can be financially responsible this offseason, they would be in a good position for the future.

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Pistons won't be in a good

Pistons won't be in a good position as long as dinars is there. He is the worst gm in the league.

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Cleveland should keep that

Cleveland should keep that cap space if they are sold on Irving at #1... Best case scenario is hoping for Kanter at #4... Mark my words.. Kanter is the ONLY potential all-star center between this yr and next years draft.. Get the PG and PF/C out the way and then you have a gang of SFs next yr better than DW...

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This trade goes against

This trade goes against everything Kahn has been saying... "we're too young". "We need a veteran presence". His plan is to now trade the 2nd overall for the 4th and 8th? Unless Kahn plans on reflipping the 4th and 8th on draft day?... this guy is all over the board.

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Explain please.

I'm not understanding this trade with Detroit.

Why would Cleveland want to acquire rips 25 million dollar contrct for the 8th pick.

they'd just take over his sallary and than have to buy him out for millions of dollars.

Is the price of buying him out worth the 8th pick? seems like alot of money to buy him out when they can just save the money.

clevelands need isnt at a Hybrid sf/pf. It's at Center and with baron declining they need a PG

They can now get Irving and maybe Kanter without any trades.

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This trade really makes so

This trade really makes so much sense.

Cleveland doesn't have to debate between Irving and Williams, odds are one of them should at least become a star.

Detriot sells their 8th pick for 25 million dollars basically. If they want someone, you know you can just buy a pick for a couple of million (at least that's what it was last year in the late first) so a mid pick in a weaker class can't be that much more.

Minnesota likely moves down 2 spots to still get their big man in Kanter and picks up the 8th overall pick to use with the rest of their team (except Wesley Johnson, Kevin Love, and probably Beasley) as trade bait.

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@SpecialT25: Cleveland's

@SpecialT25:

Cleveland's absorbing Rip's contract for the 2nd pick, not the 8th pick. Big difference. You walk away with the two best players in the draft for making use of your trade exception.

8th pick goes from Det to Cle to Min for the 2nd pick.

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yash

I know that. i read the article.

Lets say they have to pay 20 million to buy him out. is it worth it to just throw 20 million dollars away for derrick williams? or maybe im not understanding how it works with trade exceptions. so thats what i wanted to understand.

thats my question. i know they would get the second pick in the trade.

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@Specialt25 My understanding

@Specialt25

My understanding of the trade exception is that they can acquire a player into the amount (which was what close to $15M?) available. Then they'd buy him out for x amount - doesn't mean it'll be $20M. Rip could give a discount for it to get done with quicker similar to what happened with Bibby after the trade to the Wiz.

I think for Cleveland it's more about grabbing the two best players that can help improve the team immediately (pending chemistry and positions and all that). So for the team, yeah it might be worth the amount of the buyout for that #2 pick. I wouldn't consider it throwing it away though because you're getting a significant player in return (again assuming nothing goes wrong and he continues to develop).

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Good Trade

I'm with robertfreeman. Imagine if they could land Irving, Burks and one of the Morris twins. That would be a significant haul. Also, Williams might end up with no true NBA position. Do the Cavs see him as a 3 or 4? And what are their plans for Hickson? (I hope he's sticking around, and I expect him to). To me, landing 3 talented players this year, drafting a Barnes/Jones/Other forward next year (though no guarantee), along with trades of Jamison and Sessions for assets, picks and youth puts Cleveland on the yellow brick road to succcess.

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@Tyrober, it's dumb to throw

@Tyrober, it's dumb to throw away high lottery pick like that, what if the #8 pick made to be Biyombo and he become the next big Ben? you don't give up potential for nothing, if you make moves only based on financial reasons you could be very sorry, look at Spurs who gave up Scola only for money and that may cost them to win another title.
Detroit must get at least somthing, the minimum they shold get is the 20th pick.

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They arent giving the 8th

They arent giving the 8th pick away for nothing. They are doing it to save 25 million dollars. Thats 25 million dollars in the owners pocket that he would have to give Rip and now doesnt have too. Thats a very high price for the 8th pick and there is no way the Cavs would do it for just the 8th pick. They want the #2 pick and thats why ALL the teams have to accept

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Every now and then the 29th

Every now and then the 29th or 30th pick is traded for cash considerations that turns out to be around 2 million or so what Tyrober is saying is that they are essentially selling the pick for 25 million. If you look back at some of the last few 8th picks Jordon Hill, Joe Alexander, Branden Wright I would take 25 mill.

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