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Cavs beat the new-look Knicks...

115-109... it's always big news if the Cavs won... they played terrific ball...


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They aren't

That bad. Its just when your on a losing streak, its bad for team morale. And it weighs down the players until they finally get sick of it and make themselve's look better than just a D-league team. Good win for them. And the Knicks got a couple of months to build enough chemistry. If not, they will most likely get swept in the play offs.

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Unbelievable! JJ Hickson was

Unbelievable! JJ Hickson was in beast mode

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Beast mode

That should be the song for this year's playoffs lol. Really should.

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I'm gonna say it again, the

I'm gonna say it again, the Knicks were stupid for trading for Melo, espcially even more so as Mozgov was included in the deal, i'm just hoping it wasn't all done by Isiah Thomas. Because they really dropped the ball on it, they let the Bucks score 108 and them, and then the Cavs get like 115.

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^^^

Dude, the Knicks are better with Melo for the long term. They weren't good enough to compete against the elite teams in the East. It's the right move for the Knicks going forward.

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Yeah i agree they're better

Yeah i agree they're better off long term with Melo, but why not just sign him in the Summer? Melo made it very clear he was only going to go to the Knicks and the Knicks only. Mozgov had the potential to be their answer at the C, Chandler and Gallinari would've made them so versatile offensively if would've been crazy, and if they couldn't keep both CHandler and Gallo, keep one of them.

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^^ Waiting until the summer

^^ Waiting until the summer would have been a big risk. With all the uncertainty about the new CBA right now, Carmelo could have lost millions signing a whole new contract with the Knicks. That's why he said if he wasn't traded before the deadline, he would take a real hard at resigning with Denver. He wants to win, but he wants the money too.

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Lol Mozgov, Big D? Who really

Lol Mozgov, Big D? Who really gives a &$#%#&@! about Mozgov?

The Cavs can be a competitive team, so it's not really a surprise.

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Big D is a fool. Mozgov had

Big D is a fool. Mozgov had one good game. He isn't good.

Anyway, the Cavs beat NY twice this season. Cleveland plays hard on both ends and exposes New York on defense. What I was impressed with? Billups and Stoudemire dominated the 4th quarter. I think once we add another big man, we will be alright. ALSO, Brewer isn't playing just yet, once he does, combined with Jeffries/Barron (I know Jeffries is coming, don't know about Barron) and NY should be alright.

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If Melo really wanted to play

If Melo really wanted to play for the Knicks and go to a team to win championships, he would've taken a paycut, that shouldn't have been a concern for him. Sure it would have been risky, but if would've made the Knicks a legit contender if the just signed him, because i don't think they can be seriously considered a contender for the time being, because Chandler and Gallo actually competed defensively, and would've made the Knicks versatile, Mozgov didn't play the D, but could've been their defensive anchor as he played well and did play D in a few games before the trade. Melo has really never committed to the defensive side and probably never will, Billups is getting up there in age and i'm not sure he can play uptempo game in and game out for the whole season.

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This wasnt a bad trade...remember Miami needed an adjustment period....the Cavs beat the Celtics on the 2nd night of the NBA season and jus beat the Lakers...this is the NBA where on any given night you can lose...its the series that count if you get swept by the Cavs then you're in trouble.....anyway

The Knicks are soon to pick up....Jared Jeffries and Earl Barron to add some depth inside....so they'll be fine...if they rebounded tonight they would have won by 15 easily but they let too many boards get away

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If Melo really wanted to play

If Melo really wanted to play for the Knicks and go to a team to win championships, he would've taken a paycut, that shouldn't have been a concern for him. Sure it would have been risky, but if would've made the Knicks a legit contender if the just signed him, because i don't think they can be seriously considered a contender for the time being, because Chandler and Gallo actually competed defensively, and would've made the Knicks versatile, Mozgov didn't play the D, but could've been their defensive anchor as he played well and did play D in a few games before the trade. Melo has really never committed to the defensive side and probably never will, Billups is getting up there in age and i'm not sure he can play uptempo game in and game out for the whole season.

Name the last player to give up 20 million dollars to go to a team to win titles.....

Mozgov wasn't a good defender, how he could have been a defensive anchor

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LeBron James and Chris Bosh

LeBron James and Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade took a paycut to go and win titles, why not Melo?

Mozgov was a big body, something the Knicks needed, he was just an average defender i agree, but he better then other bigs floating around that the Knicks can pick up, he's showed inn a few (only a few) what he is capable of when he's playing with confidence. I would've kept him at least to see if he can produce the role needed, he is only a NBA rookie

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Knicksboy1

I am not really on either side of this argument right now because i am busy distracting myself from Physics HW, but I believe that Bosh, Wade, and Lebron all gave up around that much over the life of their current contract so they could all play together on the Heat...

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yes

a paycut that still gives them $14 million dollars a year... That's what they want the people to believe that they are some Mother Teresas who lost a tiny bit of millions... Players in the NBA are selfish... I can also say the same about the owners too for spending their money without even thinking hard...

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Bosh Wade and James didn't

Bosh Wade and James didn't give up 20 million to go to Miami. Under the new CBA, Carmelo Anthony would have lost 20-30 million dollars total.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/miami.htm

Wade, James, Bosh making 14 million this season and regular max the years after. They only gave up 2 mil a piece in year 1.

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this is really bad for the

this is really bad for the knicks.. there giving up to much points..amare's shot selection cost them alot of games..i think they need to get rid of mike and bring in a coach that put a lot of emphasis on defense ..they need to slow down their tempo teams are scoring way too much...108 to one of the worst offensive teams in the nba

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What do you expect Dolan was

What do you expect Dolan was willing to give up anyone to get Mello.

It seems the only input Walsh had was him insisting on not trading Fields.

The Knicks definately shouldn't have given up Mozgov the Nuggets forced them to include him in the deal and the Knicks blinked first. No reason to include Mozgov or the 2nd round picks. Its not like Mello was going to sign the extension with the Nets. Should've just gambled that he wouldn't have signed an extension with the Nuggets. Mozgov wasn't going to be a dominant Center but he had the potential to be a decent Center.

Still the Knicks have some cap room should use it to sign Tyson Chandler in the offseason. They can win without Billups and can find a PG still.

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GO CAVS!!! Every Cavs win

GO CAVS!!! Every Cavs win gets the Raptors one step closer to winning the Kyrie Irving sweepstakes!!

I wonder why Knicks didnt go get a Center. Im sure the Knicks tried to grab Erden because he would have been a perfect fit and replacement for Mosgov. Celtics probally werent willing to give him to their new rivals thou.

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Earl Barron

Earl Barron is a solid player... They should sign him ASAP...

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Not to nit pick but if you

Not to nit pick but if you look at a player who was given a max contract this summer (Johnson) he is set to make around 14 million more over the total of his current contract than is Lebron, Wade, or Bosh. Meaning they gave up more than 2 million dollars...

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Not to nit pick but if you

Not to nit pick but if you look at a player who was given a max contract this summer (Johnson) he is set to make around 14 million more over the total of his current contract than is Lebron, Wade, or Bosh. Meaning they gave up more than 2 million dollars...

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/atlanta.htm

Joe Johnson is making 16 mil, James/Wade/Bosh making 14 mil

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Once again... Over the whole

Once again...

Over the whole contract...

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James Johnson is on like a

James Johnson is on like a 123 mil over 6 years i believe, wade and james and bosh are set to get under 110 million, thats signifigantly less

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You forget players moving to

You forget players moving to different teams get a different max contract. James and Bosh did sign and trades under Miami's highest max price to get the 6th year.

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But even then, that's not

But even then, that's not 20-30 million dollars overall on a contract. Carmelo Anthony would have gotten like 60 million overall in a contract had he waited.

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LeBron and Bosh did not get

LeBron and Bosh did not get the maximum they could've, they took a signifigant paycut to allow Pat Riley to sign players

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LeBron and Bosh did not get

LeBron and Bosh did not get the maximum they could've, they took a signifigant paycut to allow Pat Riley to sign players

That's what I just said. Bosh and James took the going to a new team max, but did a sign and trade for a 6th year. As for the players, the Heat had bird rights for most of the players they added around James/Bosh. Mike Miller was probably the only player that they added from a new team not for the minimum

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you mean Joe not James...we might confused on out here bro

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Nope, if they took the new

Nope, if they took the new team max they would've gotten a contract along the lines of Amare Stoudemire's.

The players Miami signed on a sizeable contract for their role:

Udonis Haslem 20mil over 4 years

Mike Miller 29mil over 4 years

Joel Anthony 18.5mil over 4 years

James Jones is on a 3yr 15mil (can't remember if he was already contracted though)

The others are around about 1-2mil a year contracts.

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Yeah i do mean Joe, my bad

Yeah i do mean Joe, my bad bro

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And here I was thinking james

And here I was thinking james Johnson has a 3-yr $6-mil contract. Damn Raptors really overpaid! Thats one of the biggest ripoffs in NBA history, hope hes worth it...

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Regardless of whether or not

Regardless of whether or not they took Miami's max they still could have signed a different contract that would have allowed them to make around $14 million more over their contract. Which I believe was the point of saying they took a pay cut to play together that was more than 2 million dollars.

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Amare Stoudemire wasn't a max

Amare Stoudemire wasn't a max contract. He just got 5/100. Which is more then what James/Bosh are getting paid

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

As for the big Miami contracts: Anthony, Jones and Haslem were all under Miami's Bird Rights. Miller was used under the Mid Level.

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The POINT in all this

The POINT in all this

Carmelo Anthony wasn't giving up 20-30 million dollars to win. LBJ, Wade and Bosh did not give up 20-30 million to win a title. Howard, Paul and Williams won't in 2012. 20-30 Million dollars is money he probably wouldn't have never saw again.

That's the point, anything else you say is STUPID.

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yeah

i don't know what Thibs think of James Johnson but I thought he'd stay longer in Chicago... good for the Raptors to add another young gun for their team

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Why the personal attacks

Why the personal attacks Knicksboy, you take things too personal my man. this new CBA that you say isn't even finalised and done, so who knows what's going to happen. the Knicks dropped the ball, i understand that you can't see that, your a Knicks fan and what the best for your team and will defend everything your team does. I'm agreeing that they should've gotten Melo, just not in a trade, money isn't everything, and if Melo really wanted to be in NY, he would've taken a paycut no matter the CBA, he would've gotten plenty of money through endorsements.

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Why the personal attacks

Why the personal attacks Knicksboy, you take things too personal my man. this new CBA that you say isn't even finalised and done, so who knows what's going to happen. the Knicks dropped the ball, i understand that you can't see that, your a Knicks fan and what the best for your team and will defend everything your team does. I'm agreeing that they should've gotten Melo, just not in a trade, money isn't everything, and if Melo really wanted to be in NY, he would've taken a paycut no matter the CBA, he would've gotten plenty of money through endorsements.

I'm not attacking you. We're arguing in a circle and I'm drawing my line in the sand. Carmelo Anthony wasn't going to become a free agent and take less money to go to New York. It wasn't going to happen. He wasn't going to leave 20-30 million on the table. Money isn't everything, but even then 20 million is 20 million. Don't be crazy now. He wanted the extension and he wanted to play in New York.

He's gonna get the endorsements, but that doesn't make up losing 20 million dollars. The endorsements would have been there regardless.

As for New York dropping the ball, I never, EVER, heard a team moving 3 average players.

Excuse me, a point guard NOONE wanted 5 months ago, a shooting guard who had 3 knee surgeries, a small forward who can't play defense and is hot and cold with a big man who had ONE GOOD GAME for a top 10 player in the NBA is dropping the ball.

To say the Knicks dropped the ball is a STUPID statement. <----- That's "attacking" you.

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Gallinari, Chandler, Felton

Gallinari, Chandler, Felton are average players now? cmon now There in the good category, and too trade all 3 plus picks and Mozgov for an aging Billups (who we know won't be there for the long haul) and Melo who doesn't play D, they could've done it through free agency, that would've been the smart thing to do, we all knew Melo wasn't going anywhere but NY, all the Knicks had to do was wait until July. And as for Denver, i think the won the deal, coz i think they're a better team now then what they were with Melo.

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Wow these contracts will

Wow these contracts will really come back to haunt the Heat except maybe the Joel Anthony contract.

Udonis Haslem 20mil over 4 years

Mike Miller 29mil over 4 years

Joel Anthony 18.5mil over 4 years

James Jones is on a 3yr 15mil (can't remember if he was already contracted though)

The others are around about 1-2mil a year contracts.

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Gallinari, Chandler, Felton

Gallinari, Chandler, Felton are average players now? cmon now There in the good category, and too trade all 3 plus picks and Mozgov for an aging Billups (who we know won't be there for the long haul) and Melo who doesn't play D, they could've done it through free agency, that would've been the smart thing to do, we all knew Melo wasn't going anywhere but NY, all the Knicks had to do was wait until July. And as for Denver, i think the won the deal, coz i think they're a better team now then what they were with Melo.

Yes, Gallinari, Chandler and Felton are average players for their positions. They aren't great.3 draft picks. 2 2nd round picks from Golden State (a team that could be a playoff team next season) and a 2014 1st round pick ( which oddly enough, the year the Knicks get cap space again) For Carmelo Anthony, a top 10 player in the NBA. A clutch scorer and the 2nd best rebounder at the SF position and Billups, the man who's been to 7 conference finals in 14-15 seasons. Also, yes Billups will be a free agent, but so will Chandler this season, Gallo is 2 seasons and Felton in 2 seasons. What's your point? The Nuggets might be better today, but not by much. The Knicks have two of the top 14 players in the NBA and in 2 seasons, space to add and build around them both.

Melo wasn't going to be a free agent. You don't listen.

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Smart move by Melo because he

Smart move by Melo because he wouldn't have made up that money. LeBron and Bosh took less so they could all play together and win a title, if they would have went for what they were worth they would not have been able to play together.

This was not a dumb move by the Knicks because they are better then they were. they still have a ways to go because they can't defend with the unit that they have, they can just score. I'm pretty sure that's there plan for the next season or two. What they are missing is key defensive role players and a Coach that emphasizes offense as well as defense, a coach that demands defense.

Melo should have taken less though so that regardless of the new CBA they could sign a third star but just like most NBA players he does wanna win a title but not at the expense of getting the max amount of money that he could( can't blame him because i would do the same as well as most guys his age)

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What knicksboy is saying that

What knicksboy is saying that Melo was compelled to sign the 3 year/65 million deal. The Knicks had to get him now or risk losing him to a sign and trade to another team this offseason.

Billups is an upgrade over Felton. He is going to be in the Knicks plans the exact same amount of time as Felton would have been. Douglas is now able t get more minutes and learn for a mentor in Chauncey.

Mozgov is garbage. He is extremely soft and far below an average caliber defensive center. He has a decent jumper and catches lobs but des not possess any other offensive weapons. He bobbles the ball too much too. He will never be better than a 2nd or 3rd string backup.

The Knicks traded an average lineup with one superstar for a scary team with 2 of the top 10 players in the league and one of the best postseason and clutch Pg's in the league.

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I cant believe people are

I cant believe people are criticizing a team who lost to a hot team on the road just their second game together. Let them gel before killing the trade/roster.

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I think the Knicks and the

I think the Knicks and the Nuggets are both winners.. The Nuggets are 10 deep and prolly has one of the top benches in the league...

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knicks freak your jus saying

knicks freak your jus saying that because your a knicks freak...if you really think the knicks is a contender then you must be on drugs...amare basketball iq is sooooo low hes just playing off of talent.. if you watch the knicks count the amount of horrible shots they take especially amare..its like when melo gets a buckey amare wants to score right after

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