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  • #55759
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    vulture711
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     I’m torn here.  The Cavs have Spencer Hawes – do they really need another 7-1" guy with budding post moves and a 9′-5" standing reach ?  You know Spener is 7-1" and can shoot 3’s 

    Kidding aside – he is probably the big Loser on Draft night as I really don’t see the Cavs passing on Embiid.  Hawes played well in his stint in Cleveland and really earned a contract – but he’ll have to look elsewhere. 

    So here’s a toast to Hawes – a decent NBA center who will be back on the unemployment line shortly

     

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  • #908085
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     It’s all about potential. Back in 2003, say the Cavs already had a starting-caliber SF (Tayshaun Prince, for example). Would they have drafted Darko at 1 or even Bosh at 1? Or still went with the "next Michael" prospect in LeBron? I’m not saying I agree with the comparison, but if some experts are calling Embiid the "next Hakeem" is Spencer Hawes going to really stand in their way?

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    • #908356
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       That happened but at the very next pick where the Pistons took Darko because of need at the PF position (or so they say)… And you right…  It worked out terrible for them… Lol

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       That happened but at the very next pick where the Pistons took Darko because of need at the PF position (or so they say)… And you right…  It worked out terrible for them… Lol

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     It’s all about potential. Back in 2003, say the Cavs already had a starting-caliber SF (Tayshaun Prince, for example). Would they have drafted Darko at 1 or even Bosh at 1? Or still went with the "next Michael" prospect in LeBron? I’m not saying I agree with the comparison, but if some experts are calling Embiid the "next Hakeem" is Spencer Hawes going to really stand in their way?

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     I LOVE Hawes. He was a better addition than Deng last year. Statistically hitting 41% from outside. Its not like a rookie contract is going to be too pricey. Cavaliers could go with two very different lineups if they had both Centers. Varejao is also on the back 9 of his career and Zeller…just doing what Zellers do in the NBA. smh. 

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    • #908113
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       Yea Hawes is really underrated and undervalued. Maybe the most undervalued Center in the league. I mean where else could you find a 7 foot big who can shoot threes while also block his share of shots? Not to mention his bbal iq which is off the charts. Constanly find cutters and open men either off the post or the pick and roll. He was a bad fit for the cavs last year because of Mike Brown’s stagnant offense. Put him in a good system and he will do wonders. 

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    • #908237
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       Yea Hawes is really underrated and undervalued. Maybe the most undervalued Center in the league. I mean where else could you find a 7 foot big who can shoot threes while also block his share of shots? Not to mention his bbal iq which is off the charts. Constanly find cutters and open men either off the post or the pick and roll. He was a bad fit for the cavs last year because of Mike Brown’s stagnant offense. Put him in a good system and he will do wonders. 

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     I LOVE Hawes. He was a better addition than Deng last year. Statistically hitting 41% from outside. Its not like a rookie contract is going to be too pricey. Cavaliers could go with two very different lineups if they had both Centers. Varejao is also on the back 9 of his career and Zeller…just doing what Zellers do in the NBA. smh. 

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  • #908109
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     Hawes was a great addition to the Cavs, but if they draft Embiid, it makes sense to let him walk considering they still have Varejao.  Paying Hawes what he is worth won’t be worth it considering center will be the Cavs deepest position if they draft Embiid.

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  • #908233
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     Hawes was a great addition to the Cavs, but if they draft Embiid, it makes sense to let him walk considering they still have Varejao.  Paying Hawes what he is worth won’t be worth it considering center will be the Cavs deepest position if they draft Embiid.

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    I would be fine with the Cavs taking Embiid #1 but Wiggins would be a mistake imo. Parker seems like a sure all-star while Wiggins might never be more than a poor man’s Gay.

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    I would be fine with the Cavs taking Embiid #1 but Wiggins would be a mistake imo. Parker seems like a sure all-star while Wiggins might never be more than a poor man’s Gay.

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    I’m not sure they would have to let Hawes walk. If Hawes and Embiid were both 7 foot stiffs with no versatility, then you probably let Hawes walk and draft Embiid. However, Hawes is the best three point shooting center in the NBA and not a bad passer. He prefers the pick and pop game. His weakness is his defense, where he doesn’t move well laterally. 

    It remains to be seen what kind of offensive player Embiid becomes, but the rumor floating around is that he is working on his three point range. In the end, I think he is probably a true low post presence and dangerous pick and roll player. Embiid has great range laterally which projects to have him excell on defense. 

    Hawes can still do what he does best on offense and space the floor. While Embiid can post up inside or run the pick and roll. On defense, Embiid has the quickness to defend quick fours and allow Hawes to defend the centers. 

    I think their abilities actually compliment each other. The big question is: will forcing Embiid further from the basket hinder his growth as a rim protector? 

     

     

     

     

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  • #908243
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    I’m not sure they would have to let Hawes walk. If Hawes and Embiid were both 7 foot stiffs with no versatility, then you probably let Hawes walk and draft Embiid. However, Hawes is the best three point shooting center in the NBA and not a bad passer. He prefers the pick and pop game. His weakness is his defense, where he doesn’t move well laterally. 

    It remains to be seen what kind of offensive player Embiid becomes, but the rumor floating around is that he is working on his three point range. In the end, I think he is probably a true low post presence and dangerous pick and roll player. Embiid has great range laterally which projects to have him excell on defense. 

    Hawes can still do what he does best on offense and space the floor. While Embiid can post up inside or run the pick and roll. On defense, Embiid has the quickness to defend quick fours and allow Hawes to defend the centers. 

    I think their abilities actually compliment each other. The big question is: will forcing Embiid further from the basket hinder his growth as a rim protector? 

     

     

     

     

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  • #908347
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     He is huge and 7’1 in shoes and a 7’4 wingspan according to Chad Ford is just to much to pass up. His potential on both ends of the court are to big, the same for Wiggins but Wiggins is not 7’1 in shoes. Active bigs with lateral quickness are a marvel on defense. Imagine a 7’1 Deandre Jordan with a post game and mid range jumper. 

    I still think the Cavs should resign Hawes at 7-8 million a year over two years and a 3 year deal if he takes 6 milion a year. I can’t see him getting 10 million a season from anybody so I don’t think there will be too much of a bidding war. 

    What the Cavs also can consider is how much is Trevor Ariza and Gortat going to make next year. Because over paying Ariza and having Embiid is a possibility so is overpaying for Gortat and drafting Wiggins. The other scenario is overpay for Ariza and Gortat and draft Parker. They have the space and those to could replace Luol and Hawes. I think Ariza would go back to DC at 7.5 (his current deal) a season and Gortat might reach 9 or 10 because of the lack of center options. There is no way Ariza passes up 27-30 million over 3 though and Washington would have a hard time drafting Porter at 3, and paying him 4.5, Webster 5.5 (3 more years) and Ariza 7-8 for three more years. That 18 million guaranteed of small forwarding for 2 to 3 years. Not to mention a option on Chris Singleton for around 2 million. Nobodies taking taking Webster and they could do a Thomas Robinson style give away during the draft where they sell Porter a home town kid for pennies on the dollar. This is the reason I think Gortat is a lock to resign with DC and Ariza is far from it. 

    All in all I say resign Hawes and as unpopular as both sides seem to think I think you should resign Luol Deng (at 9 to 12) also no matter who you draft at 1. You can trade either in January and there no way to stay at the 70 million dollar cap if you don’t resign your own players. CJ Miles included who could benefit from the perchant for shooting that GM’s are coveting and what I believe will be a big market for Ariza.

    Plus they still don’t have a coach and how a potential coach could use or not use Hawes is a big deal. 

       

     

     

     

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  • #908223
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     He is huge and 7’1 in shoes and a 7’4 wingspan according to Chad Ford is just to much to pass up. His potential on both ends of the court are to big, the same for Wiggins but Wiggins is not 7’1 in shoes. Active bigs with lateral quickness are a marvel on defense. Imagine a 7’1 Deandre Jordan with a post game and mid range jumper. 

    I still think the Cavs should resign Hawes at 7-8 million a year over two years and a 3 year deal if he takes 6 milion a year. I can’t see him getting 10 million a season from anybody so I don’t think there will be too much of a bidding war. 

    What the Cavs also can consider is how much is Trevor Ariza and Gortat going to make next year. Because over paying Ariza and having Embiid is a possibility so is overpaying for Gortat and drafting Wiggins. The other scenario is overpay for Ariza and Gortat and draft Parker. They have the space and those to could replace Luol and Hawes. I think Ariza would go back to DC at 7.5 (his current deal) a season and Gortat might reach 9 or 10 because of the lack of center options. There is no way Ariza passes up 27-30 million over 3 though and Washington would have a hard time drafting Porter at 3, and paying him 4.5, Webster 5.5 (3 more years) and Ariza 7-8 for three more years. That 18 million guaranteed of small forwarding for 2 to 3 years. Not to mention a option on Chris Singleton for around 2 million. Nobodies taking taking Webster and they could do a Thomas Robinson style give away during the draft where they sell Porter a home town kid for pennies on the dollar. This is the reason I think Gortat is a lock to resign with DC and Ariza is far from it. 

    All in all I say resign Hawes and as unpopular as both sides seem to think I think you should resign Luol Deng (at 9 to 12) also no matter who you draft at 1. You can trade either in January and there no way to stay at the 70 million dollar cap if you don’t resign your own players. CJ Miles included who could benefit from the perchant for shooting that GM’s are coveting and what I believe will be a big market for Ariza.

    Plus they still don’t have a coach and how a potential coach could use or not use Hawes is a big deal. 

       

     

     

     

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