Cavaliers; what if Drummond is there?
It's been widely assumed that the Cavaliers would target a wing player in the 2012 draft because of their desperate need for a scorer. Chris Grant, Cavs GM, loved Harrison Barnes last year, but his stock has fallen and Alonzo Gee has been productive at the three. Many observers have suggested that the Cavaliers will target Bradley Beal, Jeremy Lamb, or Austin Rivers with their first selection.
If this current mock draft came true, however, and Andre Drummond were available, they would absolutely HAVE to take him. Andy Varejao is 29 and has nowhere near the talent that Andre Drummond has. Pairing Drummond with Tristan Thompson in the paint will give the Cavaliers length, rebounding, and shot-blocking for the next 10 years.
In this case, there would still be a need for a two-guard. The Cavaliers have the Lakers' first-rounder, which will most likely land somewhere in the mid-20s. Who do you guys think could be there?
I would be thrilled if Terrence Ross, Doron Lamb, or Dion Waiters were available, but it seems a bit doubtful. I'm not especially high on William Buford or Jeffrey Taylor Any thoughts? Is there anyone you could see shooting up draft boards and being a good fit at that spot?
After Anthony Davis, MKG, and maybe Barnes and Thomas Robinson, you look at Andre Drummond and Perry Jones especially if you are the Cavs and need talent. You pick a guy that fills a need (center, wing scoring) with upside and star potential.
I don't like Drummond in a Cleveland uniform. Tristan Thompson, I feel, will be a good rebounding, shot blocking power forward who doesn't give you much more than 10-12 ppg as soon as next year. I know Drummond won't play big minutes as a rookie, but I feel he'll develop into a very similar player.
They have a great PG in Irving, and I think they should focus on building a back court for him. I think Beal or Lamb would be ideal picks for Cleveland.
Maybe rolling the dice on Fab Melo with the 26th pick would be a better option. They get a raw 7 footer who could develop in to a defensive big, like Drummond, but it'd be a much lower risk pick and they'd still get a lottery caliber back court mate to run with Irving.
definitely the cavs should take drummond if they can and end up with the 4th pick in the draft. to me its not even a question. if i were the cavs, this is my mentality depending where i am with those ping pong tables.
1st. Anthonhy Davis
2nd. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
3rd. Andre Drummond
4th. Andre Drummond
5th. Bradley Beal
6th. Harrison Barnes
7th. Jeremy Lamb
to answer your second question, i have the cavs taking the best available wing player at their late first pick which is draymond green. would have preffered to have jeffrey taylor, but with cody zeller confirming that he's going back to school, taylor went higher on my mock. i have the cavs addressing their SG spot in the second round with Kim English since i want a shooter in that spot. i feel that a starting sg will still be the position of need the cavs will need to adress through trades or future drafts. tell you what though, i wouldnt mind trading for Jason Richardson as a short term starter for the cavs.
I really like the way the Cavs are playing right now. They might be losing, but they're playing basketball the right way: they play good defense, set good picks on offense, hustle. They play surprisingly mature for a team so young, I love what Byron Scott is doing.
To continue this I think they should take someboy mature and hard-working (like they took Thompson early, because of his work-ethic and willingness to hustle)
I'd love them to get Gihlchrist or Beal - high character hard-working guys
I would definitely take Drummond were he available for the Cavs, they need a young C more than a wing player at the moment, as you can't build a contender around Irving, Thompson and whoever they take now. They'll need at least one more year in the lottery to be more than the Atlanta Hawks down the road, so unless it's a choice between Drummond and Barnes, I'd take Drummond hands down. Drummond is going to be a slow grower, but he has better scoring instincts than Thompson, and a true C is an advantage in a conference which is weak at the 5 outside of Howard. I still think they made a mistake not taking Valanciunas when they had the chance.
In all likelihood Drummond will be unavailable, so Lamb would be my ideal partner in the backcourt for Irving. Lamb has shown the capacity to thrive as a second option, and the attention Kyrie draws would provide him with plenty of open looks until he gets more comfortable creating for himself. For the Cavaliers I would take Lamb over Beal, they need a complementary piece, and Lamb's insane length gives him much better potential as a defender than Beal will ever have.
With their late first-round pick, if they have somehow acquired Drummond I'd take a flyer on Will Barton. He has a competitive personality but can still play within the team concept, and he's a jumper and some weight away from being a great player. At worst you're going to get an energy guy off the bench with great upside, at best you could get one of the steals of the draft, and a cornerstone for the future.
While I still think TT was a mistake, the Cavaliers have made the right moves to position themselves for a future success, so their draft haul this season is going to be very interesting indeed.
I think Barnes or Robinson will still be there and it will be a tough decision. Robinson has a skill set similar to David West along with a beast mode mentality on the boards. West looked great under Byron Scott. The Cavs need help at the 2 and Beal seems to it the bill.
Drummond and Thompson would be nice together because the Cavs have a point guard that can shoulder some scoring load. In two years TT and Drummond could both avg 13-15 ppg and shoot 55 percent from the field and block at least a shot in a half. Think Ibaka and Perkins at 20 and 21. Drummond's upside s that of Ibaka and Perkins toughness as Thompson who is making strides offensively.
The Cavs have two of the first four picks in the second round also. What if they package one or both to move from 25 to 18-20. One of those 2 guards will fall. Hopefully Waitors, maybe Ross. I hope we dont get stuck with one dimensional Buford or D. Lamb. Beal can shoot and finish with both hands ala Irving and Thompson.
Trade 4 pick to Portland for 6 and 10 pick.
I love the idea of trading with Portland for their two picks. Say we're picking 4th and Portland is picking 6th and 11th, why not package a second rounder (or maybe even a player) along with #4 to get Portland's two picks? Not saying it's going to happen, but if Portland eyes someone they absolutely love and that individual slides to #4 (Thomas Robinson maybe? Perhaps even Barnes or Durmmond) why wouldn't they take the gamble? Again, two lottery picks is obviously better than one. But the idea of Thomas Robinson beside Lamarcus Aldridge is pretty damn scary going forward. Then they resign Batum and they have their young core going forward.
Nonetheless, I'm ridiculously back and forth with the Drummond idea. I do love his potential, I love the fact that he's young, and I love the fact that he's raw. But isn't Tristan Thompson all of those traits just at the PF position? I'm not sure I want a PF and a C that both are limited offensively on the floor at the same time. My fear is that simply clogs up the paint for Kyrie's driving ability. And while I understand the Perkins/Ibaka comparison, both of those guys are wayyyyy better offensively than Thompson/Drummond at this point. Although, on the positive side, Varejao will be back and healthy (hopefully) next year, and the idea of Varejao teaching the ropes to Drummond who is WAY more athletic with much more upside is a very interesting thought going forward. Can you imagine if Drummond somehow develops Varejao's motor? Wow.
I wish MKG would be there, but he wont, so my pick remains Harrison Barnes. The 3 spot is such a hard position to fill these days (with actual talent anyway), and Barnes can already score in bunches. Kyrie needs a running mate, and it's known that Barnes and Kyrie are already good friends. I definitely see a Luol Deng type in Harrison Barnes, with MAYBE a higher upside if he progresses the right way. Byron Scott is very very good with young guys, and I think he could be the same for Harrison.
26th pick (Lakers) you absolutely absolutely absolutely have to address our need at the 2 spot if Melo, Leonard, and Ezeli are off the board, as they very well may be. Very good amount of 2's in this draft with potential, so if Waiters, Lamb, or Jenkins are there, they will be taken.
Wow, I didn't realise how far the Cavs had fallen record wise, I thought they'd be picking at 8. In that case, go for Barnes or Drummond, one of the two is still going to be available.
Barnes still has tremendous upside as a scorer at the next level, and at the very least he can play Deng to Irving's Rose. There are going to be a lot more big men available in next year's draft than this season, so if it comes down to Drummond/Barnes I'd take Barnes and hope to get Noel (if he declares), Cody Zeller or Steven Adams.
If they get Barnes, I'd take Meyers Leonard if he drops into the late first, or Fab Melo if he drops that low, then take Barton with their first pick in the second round.
"With their late first-round pick, if they have somehow acquired Drummond I'd take a flyer on Will Barton."
Yeah, I agree, I dont think the Cavs should be overly concerned with drafting by position. They should go with the most potential or upside. Take Drummond. Then go for a Barton or another guard, there will be some good ones....maybe not total answers but could be some steals.
and trade back a spot and still get the guy you want. Trades like this always get negged but.....
Tristan Thompson to Toronto for Jonas Valancuinas and something a protected pick maybe or even Gary Forbes
if the Cavs get the 4th pick and Thomas Robison is there.
TT is perfect for Toronto, he is from Canada and a tough shot blocking 4 to pair with Bargnani. He or Thompson could switch defensive assignments against the center pf combo on the other team.
Valancuinas could be taught by Varajoa and Ilgaulkis who is working in the front office. Cleveland has a big Slivic population and was really important to Ilguakis. With a skilled four like Thomas a 7 foot hard worker could clean up weak side rebounds and dunk dish offs from Kyrie and Waitors, hopefully.
It's Ilgauskas, Valanciunas, Varejao and Slavic. And Lithuanians aren't Slavic, they're Baltic people. And if I were TO I wouldn't trade Jonatas for Thompson.
take a big man who needs to develop like Drummond now, that way you end up in the lottery next year agian. If the Cavs take Barnes or Beal they wont make the playoffs next year but will be picking at 11-13 instead of 4-9 with Drummond. Those 5 to 6 slots can turn a franchise. With Drummond we delay gratification but ultimately get more value out of the years we suck. When your bad be real bad. Remember Durant at 2, Westbrook at 4, Harden at 3 and Ibaka same draft at 24. If 2's develop faster than centers take Drummond and a 2 when you are able to compete. Marshon Brooks and Klay Thompson are contributing more than Derrick Favors. I still consider Favors and brighter prospect and they are all the same age relatively.
Irving-Waiters-Gee-TT-Drummond, hello playoffs, 2014-2022!
add Draymon Green/Darius Miller or Kevin Jones/Kris Joseph to the bench along with Sac's or Mia fisrt rounder next year.
with are second pick even if its only a few spots. But we at 5 and we get Beal and Royce White that would be nice but Drummonds and Waitors is a better scenario. This is with all do respect to Beal.
I dont think Barnes wants to play in Cleveland because he would have came out last year.
Don't believe the "Barnes doesn't want to play in Cleveland" nonsense. He stated publically he wanted to return to UNC to hopefully win a National Championship. Hell, Zeller could have declared last year, Henson as well, etc. Those guys all came back together for one common purpose: a title.
Not to mention, Cleveland will most likely have the same chance to acquire Barnes in this draft as they would have last year.
Darius Miller #33 and Kevin Jones #34 would be great picks in the second round. Guys that were in college all 4 years, will accept roles coming off the bench in the NBA to play spot minutes, and will work hard every day in practice to make everyone around them better. That's an ideal scenario really.
I don't think there's any chance the Cavs bring in 4 rookies to training camp. I think ATLEAST one of the 2 rounders will be traded, and who knows, maybe even another draft and stash.
Needless to say, with 4 picks in the top 34 of a very deep draft class, we definitely have some leverage.
CANNOT WAIT FOR DRAFT NIGHT!
we could throw 7-8 mill a year at OJ Mayo and lock up the 2 spot. We have to consider Lamb also because Mashon Brooks demolished the Cavs a few days ago. They are similar and that length and wing span bode well in the league.
about his brand. I like him, though I wish he could use his other hand and drive better. But he will put up 16-24 game throughout his career.
I'm high on OJ Mayo so I'd be all for that.
I don't agree with comparing Doron Lamb to MarShon Brooks, though. Lamb is a much less complete player. Brooks is a pure scorer with a wide array of weapons in his offensive arsenal. Lamb is more of a catch-and-shoot guy who doesn't shoot off the dribble or attack the basket well or often. Jeremy Lamb reminds me a lot more of MarShon Brooks than Doron Lamb does, but obviously Jeremy will be long gone at that point in the draft.
Also, I understand Andre Drummond may be somewhat limited offensively as a 19-year-old, but when he's 22, 23, 24, that guy is going to be doing what DeMarcus Cousins is doing now.
If Drummond was available when Cleveland pick, I'd be tempted to take a flyer on him, if Varejao comes back then they can give Drummond time to develop. MKG and Barnes would be safe choices and the need to find a long term partner for Irving will mean they look at Beal, Lamb, Rivers etc.
With the pick from LA Lakers and two early 2nd rounders, it gives Chris Grant lots of options going forward.
the long armed good one from UCONN.