Personally I love Noel but I don't think its worth moving up. Porter is a perfect fit as of now. Everyone keeps speaking of how weak this draft is but it seems as even into the 2nd round theres a lot of potential. It will be very interesting to see how this draft class measures up a few years down the road.
Cavs fans... take on Noel vs Porter?
I'm bi-partial on it. Obviously Noel is a good "project" (as the article states) but this team has more than 1 missing part. The Cavaliers are in tremendous position in this draft with 4 of the top 33 picks. My question, along with many other Cavs fans is..
Or Porter and a project big like Adams?
Cavaliers aren't going to win a title in the next two years, and if we make a playoff push next year we'll be the 7-8 seed. The second option gives you a glue guy at SF and another "project" at center. Steven Adams may never be the shot blocking presence Noel will be, but Noel will never be anywhere near as big/strong as Adams. If we take Noel, we're hoping he can play C because Tristan is locked in at PF. If you take Adams, you know he'll be a C, you just have to be patient.
Personally, I don't want to trade up unless we're picking 5th or 6th and the top few on our draft board are gone.
I think Porter is perfect at 3, but what if we get the 4 pick. I would give up the 4 pick plus the rest of the draft for the one pick being Noel. We need dynamic athleticism at the 5, I'm talking McGee, Chandler, LARRY SANDERS type athleticism. Great shot blocking and elite length from energy bigs makes up for so much on defense. KI will never be a top 15 defender for his position. I would give up the one pick for any of those guys. That should be the play, give up the whole draft for Larry Sanders. I don't think the Bucks would even bite. I love Porter as a player, but if your a good team, like a 6 and under seed someday, he has to be only the 5th or 6th best player on your team. Honestly Noel and McLemore are the only prospects that have a skill that could someday land them in the top 7 of that skill for there perspective positions. McLemore could someday soon be a top 7 sg in shooting percentages. Same with Noel in shot blocking, maybe rebounding but that's doubtful.
Plus next years draft is full of wing players. We also have CJ Miles an Alonzo Gee at a combined 5 million next season at the three. Gerald Henderson could be obtained at like 15 million for 3 years or Beasley could be traded for a second round pick only. None of those things should deter them from whatever move they want to make but the 3 hole could be filled for cheap in anticipation of a Lebron return.
The other option is give up the draft for MKG. Why not, if he was in this draft the Cavs would take him one or two.
The Cav's say they want to make the playoffs (I'm still doubtful) and they will be players in free agency this summer (maybe, maybe not). They could do what Dallas did last summer like give guys one year deals that are a nice size. Technically they could sign Kamen for a one year 8 or 9 million. They have options because the cap space is there. They should overpay for guys to sign team option deals with high salaries and low buyouts. Those seemingly bad deals become great trade pieces. Or even sign a long term guy whose contract deescalates by percentage points every year, that way as the rookie deals like K I are going to significantly grow in the future the deal like this will lower.
Does anyone know if there is a such thing as a reverse Lin/Asik deal. Like you pay 15 million the first year and then 5 and 5 in years after that. A team like the Cavs could greatly benefit from playing the bulk of a contract this year and have it lower in the future.
hopefully not another D League guy.
Tristan, Varejoe and the Zeller brothers down low sounds very good IMO...The Cavs should be able to make a run at Iguadola in free agency so why draft Otto Porter??? Cody Zeller is a lot more NBA ready than Noel so why take the risk and draft a potential bust in the making???
Cavaliers should take Cody Zeller in the top 5 and sign Andre Iguadola to play Sf...
Irving, Iguadola, Gee, Thompson, Varejoe, Waiters and the Zeller brothers should be a playoff team next year, why keep rebuilding through the draft when you found a franchise player in Irving, Noel isn't a sure thing and everybody can't draft Andrew Wiggins LOL...
if Oladipo is off the board. But Bennet and Len would have to be overlooked. Bennet is not a fit, I like him though and Len is hurt, but when healthy looks like he could remind you of Z potentially.
I agree that the Wiggins sweepstakes will get out of hand but here is more than Wiggins. Parker, Randle, Gordon, GR3, Seldan, Young, Hezonja, Vonleh and Rodney Hood all should be late lottery. Then McAdoo, Cj Fair among others late in the first.
Zeller is more of a 4
Noel is a 206 lbs stick with a history of knee problems.
He's already missed one year with a broken left leg/growth plate in his knee and will miss another year with his current ACL.
What kind of idiot GM would gamble the #1 pick in the draft on a player who is injury prone.
Basically more than half the GM's in the League and 75 percent of all experts pick Noel as the best prospect. That's pretty much a consensus. That might not make it the best choice but it hardly makes the GM would be an idiot.
I would not take Noel with a Top 5 pick in any draft (weak or not)
he's 206 lbs soaking wet, only 6'10 tops with his high top fade and coming off two major injuries, plus he's so raw offensively and he's not going to be effective on defense for how many years???
&$#%#&@! Nerlens Noel as a Top pick in 2013...
Cody Zeller just killed the combine and is a better prospect yet he's still below Noel for some reason...SMH...
I don't care how well you play, how well you test. I am a huge Tar Heel fan and watched Tyler religiously and I was upset with the Cavs trading to get him. If you're arguing the point about Noels Weight, atleast he isn't WEAK. Id take light weight and strength over weight with no strength any day. Every Zeller is a pushover, Cody will be no different
Ok!!! What about his lack of skill, broken jump shoot, knee injuries and weight concerns...Him being pushed around is a foregone conclusion at this point...And I still wouldnt be suprised if Cody Zeller man handled Noel in a 1 on 1 when they meet up in the NBA...
Tyler Zeller would man handle Noel as well and he's the backup C in Cleveland for now...
They should play it safe and go with Porter Jr.. They can still be in the lottery next year with a quality pick and a developed Porter they should be in Playoffs range
Being light with that frame isnt concerned. His frame can support a lot more muscle which he will add. Im not saying Id take Noel at One, im saying The Zellers are productive in college n get beat up in he NBA. Even with 20 more lbs Tyler will get moved around by physical centers. Im a Cavs fan, I want Tyler to do well adding another Zeller wont do anything
Noels has a small frame. Narrow shoulders and small bones. Gonna be hard to add weight or muscle.
I really wouldn't like this move at all for the Cavs. Porter seems to be a perfect fit, and Noel isn't such a can't miss prospect that the Cavs should give up Porter for him. They have time before they need a franchise center. Varejao is on the trade block, but he still has two years left on his deal, Zeller is a good enough backup for now, and they've also apparently been tied to Greg Oden (take that for what it's worth).
I feel like the Cavs still have hopes if Lebron comin back and building a roster just for him.....