The Case For Andre Drummond
This is not a post to say that Andre Drummond definitely deserves to be the first pick in the 2012 NBA Draft. Anthony Davis appears to have it on lock for a number of good reasons, he appears to be a special prospect with an aggressive style of play. There are other prospects who you could claim might be more likely to play at a high level in the NBA. Drummond is easily the most rare athletic specimen in this draft (yes, he is), but he competed far below expectations and did little to show he wanted to be great.
The thing is, I still think on the whole he is not a lost cause. He showed flashes of just how much of a match-up problem he could be on both ends of the floor. He was a skilled offensive rebounder and he usually guarded the other teams best offensive big man. Plus, when you look at the past history of the center position to have played college basketball, Andre's freshman season in perspective was not even close to as bad as many believe.
From 1995-2005, a huge number of basketballs best big men went directly to the NBA from the high school ranks. This is when drafting based on potential became incredibly popular and almost a must. You could either choose the proven players who had developed physically and mentally with time in college, or choose a player who could need time to develop but could end up being greater.
Many people say that HS players cost GM's there jobs, but on the whole I do not think that was the case. Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant, Jermaine O'Neal and Tracy McGrady were if anything, drafted much too low. Even with the 1998 HS class thought to be relatively weak, Al Harrington and Rashard Lewis ended up being undervalued significantly as well.
I could go on with the history of HS players, but I will give you a list of those who were significantly overvalued:
- Jonathan Bender (Though injuries killed him)
- Kwame Brown (Who, to be fair, was a pretty surprising choice. He was ranked behind Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry by most HS publications, but Mike liked him)
- DeSagana Diop (Had no offensive game to speak of. Still makes money as defensive/rebounding guy)
- Ndubi Ebi (Who was a late first round pick, which is always a cr@p shoot according to getting much production)
- Shaun Livingston (Again, injuries. Seemed like a very promising PG prospect)
- Martell Webster (Definitely should not have been the 6th pick, but still at the very least a decent role player)
Not many players in the grand scheme of things. My point of showing this is that drafting on potential has not been even close to the killer that many people claimed it was with HS players. To be honest, I do not think it has been with one and done guys either.
Now I want to bring up Drummond. He did little to blow most people away his freshman year. Most people say he had "a bad year". Well, he definitely was not dominant on the whole and has a lot to work on. His free throw percentage was just incredibly bad. He seemed to have little concept of where to be on the offensive end at times, plus he was not even close to aggressive enough on the defensive glass. Truly, it is hard to see a killer instinct or a mean streak that many see in the dominant bigs of our time.
What I will say is, even if Drummond never is a franchise big man that many would love to see with his combination of size and athleticism, I think he warrants a very high draft pick. People bring up DeAndre Jordan when talking about Drummond, which I do not agree with, but I see similarities. They were both highly thought of, long, athletic, big men with raw offensive games.
Well, with the Jordan example, once thought to be a lock for the top 5, than lottery, he ended up slipping to 35th in the very deep 2008 draft. People look at this and say, "well, why is Drummond not going to suffer the same fate?" Simple, DeAndre Jordan, for as limited as he was and as many question marks that he possessed, went way too low in the draft. I mean, does Jordan not bring more value at this point than Jason Thompson, Anthony Randolph, Kosta Koufos, Robin Lopez and Alexis Ajinca? Jordan was not the only player undervalued in 2008 (Nikola Pekovic is making a great case for himself as well as others), but he went far too low.
Now, that was a draft that I think was incredibly deep at guard and much deeper than this current draft. Plus, it had a number of solid center prospects that this draft simply does not. Even if you like Meyers Leonard, the Zellers or Fab Melo, I think the relative consensus is that it would still be hard to pass over Drummond for any of those centers. Not to mention, I feel Andre has a great deal of strength and athleticism that Jordan still does not have to this day.
As people tend to have labelled Drummond a bust in the making, I want to know:
- Where would you take him in the 2012 Draft?
My feeling is, it is incredibly hard for me to see him slipping beyond the 3rd pick or so. I think you have to take the gamble and in the end, I am fairly sure that if Drummond stays healthy, he does not cost you a job. The NBA has an absolute shortage of solid centers, not to mention players who you could see having the body to handle the dirty work down low. Andre Drummond, even with a perceived lack of toughness, to be at the very least a player you do not mind having in the middle as a starter.
He is definitely a high risk, high reward pick, but for a league without many centers who come close to his natural ability, I find it hard to believe he will not at the very least be one of the more valuable commodities in this draft over time. If you look at other NBA centers who have played college basketball, many of them struggled even more so there freshmen year. Heck, Fab Melo was seen as a top 20 pick for improving to a point below the major numbers Andre Drummond put up in the same conference.
I can very much understand why people are apprehensive about Drummond living up to his vast potential. Skill set wise, there are players who are well in front of him. But, the NBA is a league where size thrives, especially when that size has the speed to keep up with the pace of the NBA game. In a league where 22 players defined as centers are averaging over 10 ppg, only 14 of those over 12, I feel Drummond could end up being at the worst a middle of the pack starting center. He may never be a center you can run your offense through, but I do not think he will be a liability at either end. To me, combined with his obvious physical gifts, that floor is enough to make a case for Andre Drummond going as high as 2nd in this upcoming draft.
He must stay at least one more year
Not a lost cause but will never be as good as people think his potential is. Low motor people rarely if ever change much
If a lottery team needs a center then they will look at Drummond with the 2nd pick. But, if you are the Raptors and have Valencuinas coming in next year then I think that you pass on Drummond and go for a wing player like Barnes or MKG. Same with the Warriors who already have Bogut at center. If Drummond is still on the board when the Bobcats pick I am not sure that he is the guy for them. They have Biyombo who is the rebounding and defensive big man and Mullens is solid. I think they are more likely to go with a guy who can complete a young big three with Kemba and Bismack.
I can see the Kings looking at Drummond if they end up with the second pick. Cousins is great inside but he is not known as a defender and can't risk blocking a ton of shots since he could get in foul trouble. I think Drummond would be a great fit there. Especially since the Kings are loaded at the wing and they probably couldn't take a true point guard like Kendall Marshall at 2.
If the Blazers own pick turns out be number 2 I can see them looking at Andre Drummond there. He can turn into the guy they thought they were getting with Greg Oden. Plus, they would have the Nets pick if it doesn't fall into the top 3. So they could get their center and then another lottery pick to add to the Aldridge-Batum-Wesley Mathews-Felton-Drummond core. Most likely another wing player to put up points or another UNC point guard (Marshall being a change of pace guy with Felton being the nominal starter).
The Pistons have Greg Monroe up front but lots of holes. They could use a center like Drummond to block shots and help protect Monroe.
I still think this guy is going to slip a bit. The Wizards and Raptors really don't need centers, and i doubt Portland would like to role the dice on another center, after what happened the last time around (and that guy actually looked good in college). New Orleans may go ahead and pick him, but I've seen alot of people saying they want Thomas Robinson. I expect either Sac or Detroit to land Drummond, when its all said and done.
While Drummond has been bad. It wasn't his play that caused the respones to him it was how high people thought of him. Even on this site they kept him at No. 1 a looooooong time well after Davis had clearly established himself as the #1 guy. If I were drafting in this draft and I had any pick except #1 and I needed a Center and was solid at all other positions I would take Drummond. When I compared him to the true Centers in this draft which I go with Melo, Cody Zeller and Tyler Zeller I would take him over those 3 granted he was not better than those 3 but he has the potential to be. In terms of overall prospect I'd rank them Davis..............big gap.....................................................Barnes, Gilcrest........gap...........Drummond.
I'd take him top 2 just because you almost have to, but I want him to stay.
He needs another year, but he's leaving. I'd be shocked if he stayed, uconn cant go to the tourney next year and that will push him out the door.
He needs to learn post moves. The guy is big strong and athletic, but he has no post moves to speak of and looks to me like a guy who has gotten by being bigger and stronger then everybody and just dunking on people, which will only work if you have really good guards.
The idea that you "have to" pick Drummond in the top 1 is just absurd. There has been a prescedent set that these legit NBA bodies who look like they have potential to game changing centers don't always work out. Olawakandi, Eddy Curry, Kwame, Oden, Thabeet, the list goes on and on. Dwight panned out. Bynum panned out. A couple of foreign games, the Gasols, Nene, panned out. But in a draft with plenty of wing players who have potential to be quality professionals, you absoulely don't have to take Drummond top 2. And if you look at the primary needs of all the teams picking up there, most of them don't even need centers.
I think if he falls out of the top 5 his potential makes him a no brainer...
inside the top 5 i could see a team like toronto or charlotte considering him (if they don´t get davis). teams the those that really need someone with "francise player" talent will at least consider him.
His upside is just too large to igonre. At worst he'll be a DeAndre Jordan, hopefully he'll be more of an Andrew Bynum.
That's where the age limit comes in. The limit is there to protect the owners from themselves. When potential NBA players enter the draft at age 18, there are still a large amount of question marks determining what a players skills and potential are. With only high-school information to go on, GMs and owners are woefully unknowledgeable to decide whether a player will be any good or not. Just ask Derrick Caracter. GMs are so worried about missing out on the next Lebron James or Kevin Garnett, that they often pick unproven rookies that might turn out one way or the other. That's why the age limit is in place, to give GMs a better idea of the talents of a prospect so that they can make smarter drafting decisions.
Even if they have that extra year, many GMs rank prospects based on that almighty "potential" or "upside". Many teams drafting in any position (especially the Top 10 and the late 1st round) will pass on an upperclassman with proven skills (Tyler Zeller) in favor of a raw player with ridiculous upside (Drummond) it's a real problem and often causes GMs to make many stupid decisions, a la Hasheem Thabeet, Jordan Hill, Jonny Flynn, numerous Markos, Darkos, Zarkos, and the list goes on. That's just the cycle we're in unless we do something to change it.
i think TomShoe is absolutly right....
Yes, I realize he would be more ready to play in the NBA with another year of college, hence physical and mental maturity. But, that would mean he would be better as a rookie. You have to look down the line. Thomas Robinson averaged 2.5 ppg and 2.7 rpg as a freshman, shooting 39.5% from the line. He showed a great deal of improvement as a sophomore and now was in the running for NCAA POY. Before the season started, people laughed off his being drafted in front of Jared Sullinger, now it is considered the norm (not necessarily in my opinion, but it is at least debatable).
With Drummond "needing to stay", would that really make him a better NBA player one year from now? Would his having a good sophomore year in the 26 or so UConn games, seeing that they will be more than likely banned from the Post-season Tournaments, be better than a full NBA season of his playing rotation reserve minutes in the middle? I love it when rookies are able to contribute right away, but the best rookies do not always do so. Not only that, but the best NBA prospects do not always have monster freshman seasons. There have been many who have, but there are definite exceptions to the rule.
As far as other projected NBA centers in this draft having better seasons, I think that is pretty limited amongst guys rated as potential first round picks. The Zellers and Meyers Leonard both had better seasons, but saying that Fab Melo was better is a stretch. Fab averaged 7.8 ppg and 5.8 rpg, with 2.9 bpg in similar minutes to Drummond. He won Big East Defensive Player of the Year, but had a much better team defensive unit plus averaged a lot more fouls. All I know is, people were ready to completely write off Fab as a freshman, but he improved quite a bit as a legit post man this season after playing behind Rick Jackson as a freshman. Andre played more of a role than any of the previous years championship front line did, while averaging 10 ppg, 7.6 rpg and 2.7 bpg.
Fab averaged 2.3 ppg and 1.9 rpg as a freshman. Had he entered last years draft, he probably would have gone in the second round if he were drafted at all. Scouts would probably not have a lot to work with from his freshman season and he would be incredibly difficult to project. One year later, he is a likely late first rounder who could go even higher due to one year of improvement and a giant frame one covets in a center.
With this being said, how in the world does Fab compare to Drummond athletically? Fab is a big body and he appears to have a soft touch, but as far as speed and other athletic attributes are concerned, Drummond is in a different stratosphere. If you look at the three match-ups between them, Drummond averaged 14.7 ppg and 10.3 rpg, with Fab putting up 8.7 and 6. I clearly think that with one more year under his belt, Drummond would be averaging what he did against Fab for a season, if not more. I truly believe he wants to get better and even if he never becomes great, he could still be a match-up nightmare more often than not.
So, thank you to the people who have said where they would draft Drummond or who they would take over him. To the others, that was not what I was really looking for, but thanks for the input. I know he was wildly inconsistent, but if the Blazers want another big, which seems entirely possible, I see little reason why Drummond would not be a good fit. I think the main issue with Greg Oden was not his play, but his long list of injuries.
When Greg was healthy, he was on his way to looking like one of the better centers in the league. He may not have been Kevin Durant, but last time I checked Kevin Durant was not in this draft. If the Blazers have a chance for Drummond at 4 (the highest they can draft with the New Jersey pick, as I do not like the odds of there original pick becoming top 3), I would hope they take a chance on Drummond. If Drummond's physicals work out, if you want a defensive and rebounding true center, who has a great deal of potential as an offensive rebounding force, I like Drummond, high.
Tyson Chandler was the #2 pick in the 2001 Draft. He has averaged 8.5 ppg and 8.9 rpg for his career. Last season, Tyson was a defensive anchor for a championship team. You could argue that there were people from his draft with more career success, even a few who have played crucial roles on championship teams (Tony Parker and Pau Gasol, for instance). So, Tyson may not have deserved to be the #2 pick, value wise, but his value is still tremendous. Having Tyson means you have a center who will compete with the best centers out there. To me, that is what I think Drummond has the potential to do. He will be a defensive force with his strength, length and speed, plus will be able to overpower smaller foes. He has things to learn, he is a prospect and expectations should not be sky high. But, they do not need to be for him to be one of the better centers in the league, which I certainly think is a reasonable possibility given the landscape of the NBA as we speak.
Shouldn't fall out of the top 6 in this draft, and it's highly likely (team position depending..) that he could go as high as #2. Almost every lottery team could take him, and while some teams will have some of the wing players (Barnes, Beal, Kidd-Gilcrest*) and Robinson/Davis ahead of him.. Not every team will view the same way. I think Portland is the MOST likely to take him in the top 5, if they end up there. Just because they had bad luck with Greg Oden means nothing with Drummond. Oden succumbed to injuries that were pre-existing to that draft. Drummond, with no publicly known history of injuries, will probably be a mostly potential pick, based off of his one year of college play, but then again.. when you've only seen a player play at a level higher than dominating his local high schools, for one year, it really is mostly potential. Anthony Davis, who most believe (myself included) is the head and shoulders #1 prospect in this draft, will be drafted MOSTLY based off of potential.
It's hard to speculate on how Drummond will do in the league. That all depends on what team he goes to, who he coaches, and what kind of playing time he's given. So many variables.
I saw you post this before and I agree to an extent. But, I do not think the GM's were predicting Caracter to be a lottery pick. That was all HS build up and the summer camp scene:
I mean, do you do better than NBA GM's at predicting who will develop out of HS? I am guessing I don't, do not think a lot of people do. I am not even for the age limit, I am usually completely on the side of what is best for the players themselves, but I think saying that NBA GM's have no idea of what is going on is a tad ridiculous. I question GM decisions and draft trends like we all do, but I think this "cycle we live in unless we change it" deal seems to have not have a great deal of evidence.
Your message is a tad ambiguous. You commend Drummond's potential, but you say that the age limit is an issue and that GM's have a difficult time scouting HS talent. What do you propose? If you have no age limit, than you are proposing GM's get better at scouting HS talent, which would be difficult due to the limited challenges many of the elite players face in HS. If you want it to be longer, than you are going against the fact that many players have proven to be pretty capable NBA players without having to stay in college for elongated periods.
Hasheem Thabeet, Jonny Flynn and Jordan Hill all stayed in college for a couple of years. I will not say that choosing "potential" over "proven skills" can not be the wrong thing to do, but it absolutely works both ways. There have been many players who had fantastic college careers who have turned out to be way less inspiring NBA players. People wanted Orlando to take Emeka Okafor over Dwight Howard. Drew Gooden went before Amare Stoudemire. Rashad McCants was the 14th pick in the draft and Monta Ellis went 40.
The bottom line is, will Tyler Zeller at 22 be more of a factor than Andre Drummond at 22? Tyler had injuries as a freshman and sophomore, it was not until his junior season that he averaged double digit scoring. He has always been a skilled player and he definitely is a solid athlete, but does he have the bulk to push people around that Drummond already does? Is he going to be a player you worry about as a defender? If by Drummond's senior season, he was not making the impact that Tyler Zeller is, I would be a lot more concerned than by him having averages that were higher than Tyler Zeller's in either his freshman or sophomore seasons.
I think he should return to school, but I'm kind of on the fence about that because from whyat I saw last year, I don't think UCONN is the right place for him to develop and he's going to be playing with chucker guards.
He's the biggest high risk/high reward prospect in the draft. He's a great, quick-jumping athlete with tree trunks for legs, but he has no semblance of an offensive game. I have yet to really even see what leads people to believe he'll be better than Deandre Jordan offensively. And he plays like he has no idea how big he is. He should be going up for dunks instead of laying up all the chippies he misses.
He will be better than DeAndre Jordan offensively? Besides the fact he had a better freshman season as an offensive option than DeAndre Jordan did? His far superior strength and quickness? His better hands? His being a much better offensive rebounder at similar stages in there being a prospect?
I mean, I am not saying he will be a big time offensive option, but I see a lot more offensive upside than DeAndre Jordan at a similar stage. Defense as well. So, those are a few reasons why I see him being a better offensive option than DeAndre Jordan. Though his FT shooting was even more porous, I think Andre will be a much tougher offensive match-up than DeAndre pretty immediately.
"He is definitely a high risk, high reward pick,"..."My feeling is, it is incredibly hard for me to see him slipping beyond the 3rd pick or so"..."especially when that size has the speed to keep up with the pace of the NBA game" "I feel Drummond could end up being at the worst a middle of the pack starting center. He may never be a center you can run your offense through, but I do not think he will be a liability at either end."
some people still don't understand the entire drummond= deader jordan debate, how can he possibly not be amount to something better than deadre jordan? he's 18....
HE'LL AT LEAST, AT LEAST, AT LEAST, AT LEAST, AT LEAST, AT LEAST BE A DEANDRE JORDAN TYPE OF PLAYER
He has no go to move in the post. Most of his highlights are dunks. Not sure if it's because of the system he's in at uconn or what. Thats why I agree with the Deandre jordan comparison so far. The best place for him out of high school would of been KU. It seems like every big guy they bring improves so much year in and year out working with danny manning. Hell I never thought Withey would even be remotely good at KU
the thing is that absolutely no1 can say drummond cant be way better than deadre. i don't care how much of a uconn fan you are, how many uconn games you watch. not even calhoun can!
he'll be deandre if he stops developing completely NOW. he can already at this stage of his career, have deadre jordan type of impact; running the floor, looking for oops and open looks under basket, blocking shots and grabbing rebs.
for all we know he can develop an amare stoudamire p&r game. they posses similar explosiveness (specially standing vert), and Dru played very much like amare in highschool hence all the early comparisons.
The funny thing is, when you're as athletic and as big as Andre Drummond you don't need legit post moves. People may dislike this or give me negatives but Dwight at 26, still barely has any post moves and he's said to be the most dominant center in the league.(I'd take Bynum offensively anyday) Dwight has that running sweeping hook now and that's about it.
I think Andre Drummond suffers from the same syndrome as Perry Jones, his attention span isn't always there and his competitive fire isn't always lit.
I don't think Andre Drummond has as good of defensive instincts as Deandre Jordan at this moment or when they were both at this freshman point, but it'll get better and his athleticism alone will allow him to block shots. Drummond should be the first center taken. I don't consider Davis a center even though people are saying he is the next Marcus Camby. I like his upside more than both Zellers, Melo, and Meyers Leonard. I actually have Leonard second in that group.
Also on the high school/potenital issue. I don't agree with it. It's hit or miss no matter who you take in the draft. The only thing about college is you'll hopefully see them play against better competition where as in high school, normally the top guys are unmatched most of the time. Someone mentioned Rashad Mccants, he averaged 10 points and was a 37% free throw shooter in his limited time in the league. I rememember one year he averaged like 15 points, and in that year he only played 26 minutes a game, that was the highest of his career in both categories. Injuries and circumstance caused his downfall because in all actuality he and Monta Ellis are both just gunners. Deandre Jordan averages 7.4 points, 8.6 rebounds, and 2.3 blocks in only 27 minutes, if he plays more his stats would be better to show he was a miss in the draft. He's actually averaging more blocks per 36 than Dwight at this point in his career.
You can have all of the potential in the world but if you don't land in the correct situation you'll still be screwed. You have to be around people who can teach you and hone that potential.
It's like I honestly in my opinin blame Greg Oden's injuries on the Portland Trailblazers. Greg Oden weighed 257 pounds at the pre draft camp. Everyone remember the articles and everything about Portland wanted him to gain more weight. So he put on 30 pounds of muscle. His thigh muscles ended up crushing his knee cap. He then got a microfracture and continued to workout going to more than 300 while keeping his body fat low. His patella split in two because he had too much muscle around it. During his last year of significant playing time he averaged 11.1 points, 8.4 rebounds, and 2.3 blocks while shooting 60% from the field and 76% from the line, he did all of that while playing 23 MINUTES A GAME after 3 surgeries. He would be the most dominant center in the league right now if not for landing in the wrong situation, not saying the injuries wouldn't have happened somewhere else but Portland definitely attributed to it. Yes players have clean up proceures but no one person should have to have like 5 microfracture surgeries. I don't think that's bad drafting, that's bad luck. He was the right pick for Portland, If healthy I think he would have made Kevin Durant the second best player in the 2007 draft.
It's not just about your potenital or talent, it's also about where you go. Another example before I go, Michael Redd, wasn't a shooter when he was drafted but Ray Allen helped him fix his shot and then look at him. He gets drafted somewhere else and maybe he wouldn't have become the shooter he became.
Andre Drummond will hopefully get drafted to the right place. The Hornets is my hometown team and we desperatley need him but I don't think he'd workout here, he also shouldn't go to the Bobcats, Portland for obvious reasons or Washington, Randy Wittman needs to be fired and they need to get some leadership in there. Perfect place for him would be somewhere like the Houston Rockets, who have a coach to coach big men, Cleveland with Kyrie or Detroit. I think he and Greg Monroe would play well off of each other, Joe Dumars would also provide the right things needed to perform. I think if he went to Cleveland it would be perfect because love or hate Dan Gilbert, he's passionate about his team and he wants to win. Someone with the will to win can push people far to places they didn't even know they had. Just ask anyone who played with Michael Jordan after 1989. lol
The only reason he had a better offensive season as a freshman is due to the fact he played more. Tex A&M coach didn't put up with slacking but the UCONN coach did. Jordan was much more aggressive than Drummond. Drummond looks like he's going to go down the road of Kwame Brown
Please don't compare Drummond to Dwight...PLEASE.
Dwight is far more athletically gifted, is way more athletic, is way better at pick and roll...c'mon.
As I mentioned in another post.... The strengths and concerns of Andre Drummond and Derek Favors are almost identical at the same stage of their development. Fast forward on Favors and you now have one of the brightest young big men in the game. No way Drummond slips out of the top 3, anything less is madness.
Anthony Davis is super overrated. I'll take Jones and Drummond over this guy in a heartbeat.
ok dwight howard at 26 actually does have some post moves and their not comparable because he's a lot more physical then drummond and he has a better feel for the game. The only thing you might be able to compare is athleticism and dwight has the edge in that too.
The comparisons for deandre jordan is proper because neither one has a move to score consistently on the offensive end besides a dunk. Of course his upside is a lot higher but from watching him during games it seems like his basketball IQ is very low. It just looks to me like the game is moving too fast for him. I'm hoping he can progress as time goes on. But for now he's a guy who looks like tarzan plays like jane. That being said.. he can still play an all star player in the NBA I just question his drive to become better because he has a low motor right now
I would take Drummond in the top 5. Who knows how his offensive game will develop, but he'll be able to come in straight away. He can rebound, and block shots. That's a valuable asset in the NBA.
Portland wont draft andre period. You must of all forget when they passed on durant for a big man that didnt pan out.Maybe roy would still be around with less pressure to score if they had durant.So im going with history portland wont even look at andre no way they go through that again.
I liked deandre in college didn't he go to texas A&M I thought he should have went first round even lotto I knew him and mcgee would be good from the rip he could play ball he just didnt get min in the nba untill the end of last season and now.I didnt like andre from the rip I dont seem him being like jordan i see him being like his self.
From thread to thread his nba comparison is getting lower and lower thats funny. But mikey, T-rob never got pt because their were the twins and cole aldrich.When he got the chance to play he swept the nation and if thomas could get more mins previous seasons he most likely would have put good numbers up. Now andre is a freshman so he has alot of room to grow but the hype!??? The hype has me wanting to see more and hes not showing nothing when he has the chance players dream for his road to the nba is paved off of hype.Come on you know its the truth.Im sick of talking about him lets talk about someone more worthy.
I've read a lot about Drummond being this special "once in a generation" type center prospect. I see good size. He is obviously going to be able to carry a lot of weight and he will be a strong center. But I'm not seeing elite athelticism. I'm not saying the guy doesn't dunk hard. But if a guy is going to have this kind of hype, I want to see dunks coming down from well above the box (the white box above the rim goes up to 11', elite jumping big men like Oden or Shaq can touch 12' on their max jumps). I want to see his head at rim height. I'm just not seeing that. Maybe he is just jumping as high as he needs to in those highlights, but there isn't anything super crazy.
Maybe Blake Griffin has spoiled me.
Anthony Davis has earned the number 1 pick but I would still take Drummond at 1. I think Drummond struggles against college competition because it is too easy in a way. He is mostly guarded by smaller quicker bigs. That won't happen in the league. Plus I think his guards were terrible in getting him the ball. I personally think he is gonna have a Nene type game in the league, possibly better numbers. Davis I think will be good too but I'm not gonna say Davis is a sure thing either.