Carter-Williams rated higher than Burke?
"Sources say a number of teams that rely heavily on analytics have Carter-Williams rated higher than Burke. While both players look good in the various analytical approaches teams employ, Carter-Williams is coming up at No. 1 and No. 2 overall on several teams' reports. For teams that value analytics, that's a big deal."
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How do you guys take this?
better NBA PG, Mike or Trey?
MCW is similar to big guards Phil Jackson liked to make play the point, like Brian Shaw and Ron Harper, except he's more natural at the position. Burke is overrated because Michigan had a great year.
Yeah, couldn't be that it was Burke who was the main reason Michigan had a "great" year.
I still would take Burke over MCW, despite some reports Ive heard of Burkes stock going down and MCW's going up.
I don't know if there is a metric stat that is reliable for leadership and having big balls, but if there is then Burke is number 1 on that board for sure. I would go with Burke unless I had a smallish 2 guard who had a good 3 point shot ala Detroit, if B Knight is moved over. Even with that said of everybody at the Combine I thought that MCW had the best changes in physique. He must have did P90X or something, but he physically transformed himself. I always like when guys do that because it shows some degree of professionalism. I remember Tobias Harris doing the same going from chubby to cut. I think if Otto Porter showed up with 8 pounds of muscle and broader shoulders at a workout in the next month then he could be a even bigger threat to go first overall.
MCW's ceiling is higher than Burke's. That is not debatable; he is 6'6" PG with a 40"+ vertical.
It would surprise me if he went higher than Burke, but not shock me.
His shooting is probably what scares me the most.
Burke seems more ready to play now, especially if you're talking efficient basketball, but MCW has ALOT of potential for the long run. I would like to see him get stronger and develop a better jumper before I would trust him over a guy who has proven he can play well for a team immediately like Burke.
Yeah, it's pretty much been covered here. MCW is the guy worth taking a chance on if you're looking long-term. Burke is the short-term guy.
My personal opinion is that MCW will end up being drafted before Burke, simply because a team picking that high most likely will be more in the market for a long-term guy than a guy that can sort of be a stop-gap kinda guy, which is how I view Burke.
Having said that, I'm sure there's more than a few teams that also feel Burke can be a great PG long-term, so it really just comes down to how each team views it, but I've said from the beginning that I thought MCW would rise and Burke would fall, so I'm sticking with it.
Even as a Syracuse fan, I think that Burke edges MCW by a large margin. Although MCW is much bigger, Burke is actually a better finisher at the rim. Burke is clearly a much better shooter. The difference in passing ability between these two isn't as big as you'd think. MCW racked up dimes at the beginning of the season when they played a really weak non-conference schedule. During Big East play his assist numbers when way down. Burke is definitely an above-average passer, not far behind MCW.
During the season, particularly the Big East championship game against Louisville (I was at the game that night at MSG), I often thought that MCW was lacking a big enough pair. He often just looked scared. Burke will never back down from anybody or anything. I think Burke is a top 3-5 prospect and MCW is late lottery-mid first round.
but if someone told me there was a 6'6 pg with a 40 something inch vertical who led his team as far in the tournament as far as MCW did without knowing who he was i'd say THAT GUY is gonna be the far and away first pick in the draft.
i'll take Burke 8 days a week and two time on sunday over MCW... MCW seems to me a little clumsy as a player, i question his intensity and agrresivness, i have some doubts on him being effective NBA player.
Agreed on all accounts, but you can't teach 6'5 with a vert to match...you can teach a shot, you can work on speed/coordination/defense but you can't work on being 6'0 (as far as I know)
sure he has potential for this, maybe i wrong about him and he will eventually become a great player, i just have hard time seing it happened.
I don't really understand why people seem to question his motor/intensity so much. He and CJ Fair were the only two guys that played their hearts out every game. Hell, for whatever reason, nobody seemed to give a damn when they played UConn this year, but if you go back and watch it, MCW was playing his ass off and scored nearly half Syracuse's points if I'm not mistaken.
He was easily the leader of the team, especially from the BET to the NCAA tournament, where he finally seemed to become a floor general rather than just a really good college PG, and his intensity on the defensive end lifted his teammates to a different level.
And yet Burke is regarded as having one of the biggest hearts in college because of what he did on the offensive end/that ridiculous shot against Kansas, but he took tons of plays off on the defensive end.
i don't question his motor - effort, i'm questioning his ability!
as for burke, yes he should put more effort on the defensive end, i think he was gathering some power for having a big role on the team as being huge vocal point of the offense, but i think he could be a nice defender too going forward, with a less offensive responsibility and a little bit improving stamina...
Why so much obsession with height? Plenty of great PG's were not big guys. John Stockton, Maurice Cheeks, Isiah Thomas, Tim Hardaway, Chris Paul, Allen Iverson, Mark Price, Kevin Johnson, Bob Cousy, Mookie Blaylock, Tiny Archibald, Nick Van Exel, Lenny Wilkens, Gail Goodrich, and on and on
Not saying that Trey Burke will be as good as any of these great players but his height won't be the reason he fails or succeeds. He is 6'1" with a 6'6" wingspan, plenty big enough to be an NBA point guard. He is also incredibly skilled and quicker than people are giving him credit for. If a team chooses Carter-Williams over Burke I believe they will strongly regret it. I like Carter-Williams a lot on the defensive end, he the potential to be a good player but I wouldn't be shocked if Burke is the best player out of this entire draft when we look back and evaluate it years from now.
Carter-Williams scares me because he isn't very efficient yet as a basketball player. He turns the ball over too much and he is a poor shooter both from the field and from the free throw line.
I don't think it's the lack of height alone that makes people weary of him. I think it's his lack of height, lack of quickness, and lack of a great crossover that does it. He struggled to beat his man 1 on 1 against average college athletes. I'm not sure how he plans to beat NBA athletes off the dribble without a ball screen every time, which teams will gameplan for if he ever becomes that adept at that part of the NBA game. I'm gonna leave guys like Cousy and Goodrich alone since they were in a completely different era.
The guys from the 90's and on: Kevin Johnson, Stockton, Isiah Thomas, Hardaway, CP3, Iverson, Price, Mookie, and Van Exel
Johnson, Thomas, Hardaway, CP3, Iverson had some of the best crossovers of all-time and or were extremely quick; not to mention Johnson could dunk on anybody. Mookie and Van Exel weren't efficient scorers (Mookie was great because of his defense). And Price and Stockton were of the best shooters of his era/arguably two of the best of all-time.
Burke doesn't really have any of those things going for him. He's short like them, but doesn't have the quickness of most of them, doesn't have the crossover of most of them, doesn't have the dunking ability of Johnson, isn't a good defender like Mookie, and is a good, not great shooter like Price/Stockton.