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Cant Believe the Magic Keep Winning

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Cant Believe the Magic Keep Winning

Redick is their best player, do they even have anybody in the top 150 players in the league?


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Are you kidding me?

Um...Aaron Afflalo is a very good two way basketball player, Glen Davis has proven himself time and time again to be a very good player in this league, and Nikola Vucevic is an extremely underrated center who's only 22 years old. All three of those players are better JJ Redick and are top 150 basketball players.

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i disagree with big baby

i disagree with big baby though the guy takes way too many shots and isnt a team player at all yes he puts up the numbers but look at his usage and efficiency its not good at all....i would put jameer nelson in there too though the guy can still ball.

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I was at the Warriors-Magic

I was at the Warriors-Magic game today, the Magic are a formidable team that has a chance to make a run for the 8th team in the playoffs. It won't be easy, but they can be really, really good at times. They have knock down shooters, they run perfect off-ball screens for Redick, and what surprised me most was how strong their bigs are. If Glen Davis was 7 feet tall, he'd be a perennial All-Star, he's skilled and he's really strong down low. Nikola Vucevic was a beast on the boards, all of their bigs are great rolling to the basket. Watch out for this Magic team, they'll probably either not make the playoffs or go down in 5 to the Heat or Knicks, but they're a fun team to watch.

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The Magic are 6 and 10, how

The Magic are 6 and 10, how is this "winning"? Redick has kicked it into a new gear with his passing and he is young enough that this just might be the new normal for him. Nelson is still their best player and he has always been at least an average PG. Affalo is a fine SG who has gotten hot for a few games. But Glen Davis is not good. He is bench scoring big man at best and his poor shooting percentage this year (and for his entire career) is not going to help the Magic much. (Agreed Aamir, if Davis was 7 foot he would be the next Shaq, but he isn't and he never will be tall enough or skilled enough (like legit range on his J) to score effectively.)

They have some young guys Harkless and Vucevic who might get better as the season goes along and Gustavo might kick it back into gear, but no I don't think anyone should expect playoffs from this team. This team isn't very close to 500 and it will take something like 39 to 40 wins to make the playoffs in the East. I can't see there being room for this team.

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I think Jacques Vaughn is one

I think Jacques Vaughn is one of the best young coaches in the NBA. He's a smart player and he's a motivator too. I read an article where he went to Big Baby and explained to him he needed to step up and be a leader on this team, and as a result he's averaging 15.8 ppg and 8.3 rpg ( 20/10 in wins). I think Vaughn has a really bright future on the sidelines.

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He's a good coach and gets

He's a good coach and gets his guys to play hard, but he's almost too good of a coach right for where their franchise is at. That team needs franchise talent and they're not going to get it if they plan on trying to make the playoffs. In order for them to play their hand right, at least a little bit of tanking needs to happen IMO. If they make the playoffs then they're headed straight towards mediocrity.

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I disagree. They're sitting

I disagree. They're sitting at 7-10. If Vaughn can get his exisiting players to buy into his system and gain some confidence and win a hard fought 30-35 games, then they'll still be getting a lottery pick and he'll do a lot for his team chemistry and attitude ( which is always more important than raw talent, Kings, *cough* *cough*)

Jamir Nelson is not their answer at PG, going forward, and with pick in the 8-14 range, they could grab Archie Goodwin, Marcus Smart, C.J. McCollum, Marcus Smart ( who I think will drop by June) or Isaiah Cannon ( who I think will raise his stock to tremendously by the end of the year).

They've got a lot of young talent at the forward positions, in Nicholson, Harkless and Vucivic. Those guys are going to be significantly better by next season. They've got a team full of young lotto talent that is getting better, they don't need to tank to get another one.

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The 8th spot in the east is

The 8th spot in the east is up for grabs. If they continue to play hard all season, the 8th spot could still be within their grasp. If I were them, I would cash in on some of their assets around the trade deadline then tank. They don't just need to fill positions, they need franchise changing talent, not just this year but next year as well in order to justify the package they received in the Howard deal.

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I'm just resistant of that

I'm just resistant of that strategy. There have been a few teams that took a year off, nabbed #1 and moved on, but thats a good way to get a first time head coach fired. Not to mention, if you tank and get the 5th pick, it's more often than not going to not turn your team around. Vaughn tanks two years in a row, and he loses his job. There are also a lot of perennial lottery teams, like Washington, Cleveland, Sacramento, that keep losing and bringing in guys, and continue to lose. The real way to turn your team around is gettting a free agent, or just happen to have the pick needed to grab a once in 5 years pick.

I know, I may differ than many, but try to win, build a team, and add the best guys avaiable in the draft. Like you said, they've got talent, and they have guys who they could package for a sign and trade for an All-Star who wants out of his current scenario. A guy like that will be much more receptive going to a team that is hovering outside of the playoffs than they would to a team with a .200 winning percentage.

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I don't think Vaughn loses

I don't think Vaughn loses his job if he's following the strategy of the organization. There has to be a understanding from the top on down.

Orlando's not in the same situation as Washington or Sacramento. They are just in the infant stages of their rebuild. They haven't swung and missed yet, and haven't endured years of failed rebuilding.

IMO, the purpose of accepting the package that they accepted was to guarantee that they sucked for at least a couple of years. They could've accepted a better deal, for better players, or even better picks, but they didn't. They got decent talent, not franchise changing talent and middling to mediocre picks. In order to justify the move, they'll have to acquire franchise changing talent in the next couple of years, which, if they're mediocre to bad likely won't come in FA. IMO, in order for them to attract a big FA, they'll have to look promising.

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Cant believe people thought

Cant believe people thought they were going to be bobcats bad this year. I had them being mediocre at best this year and so far that's what they have been

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Redick

I'm glad someones giving JJ Redick some recognition for how he's played at the start of this season. He has improved over the years as a defender and who'd of thought he'd show the playmaking ability to average 5 assists a game thru 16 games. Not bad even if its a small sample size.

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I can't believe they're

I can't believe they're winning either, if you know what I mean though...

I don't see the point. They need to be bad.

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i predicted the magic to have

i predicted the magic to have the worst record in the league this yr..... they proved me wrong..... actually everybody

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