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Because his team didn't

Because his team didn't advance in the playoffs. That is really all you have on him.

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Well, to be 100% honest, I

Well, to be 100% honest, I dont think of him ever in the 2000's as a legit superstar....he never led his team, he was a great scorer and to me...in my opinion...he was a #2 option who on a losing team, inflated his numbers to look like a #1 option....

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Okay so basically your just

Okay so basically your just making the not advancing to the second round sound like other things. You must not have watched him 5 years ago or been very young when you did.

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That has nothing to do with

That has nothing to do with McGrady other then his nickname.

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But ...how does one earn a

But ...how does one earn a nickname? By doing something...And apparently showing up in the clucth he has not

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Mcgrady was a great player

Mcgrady was a great player on bad teams, true. But just because some espn analyst says he thinks Mcgrady is done doesn't mean that he knows what hes talking about. Its just his opinion. Mcgrady led terrible teams to the playoffs. Period. Just because he didnt win a championship by himself doesnt mean hes not a great player. Lebron hasnt won a championship on his own. Is he overrated now? They carried their teams for 82 games, how can you blame them for not having enough left in the tank for another 20+ playoff games?

Mcgrady has been injured yea, but go out and play half a season with no cartilidge in your knee and see how long it takes you to quit.

And if he was the number 2 option on a losing team who was the number 1 option? Mike Miller?

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And if he was the number 2

And if he was the number 2 option on a losing team who was the number 1 option? Mike Miller?

not what i said...he was a really good #2 option who on a losing team, looked like a #1 option. Not every team has a #1 option

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Every team has a number one

Every team has a number one option. Every team has one player that they want to take the last shot of a game. That's the number one option. Even now when Mcgrady is getting called overrated hes still the one with the ball when the final seconds are ticking off.

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McGrayd earned his nickname

McGrayd earned his nickname by leading the league in scoring twice, he is clutch. He scored 40 against the Jazz last year in game 7, he was all they had. 13 in 35? How is he not clutch?

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TMac

In his prime he was one of the 10 best players in the league, possibly top 5 for a season or two. People should not hate on him.

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McGrayd earned his nickname

McGrayd earned his nickname by leading the league in scoring twice, he is clutch. He scored 40 against the Jazz last year in game 7, he was all they had. 13 in 35? How is he not clutch?

First off you spelled his name wrong....second of all, they didnt go to game 7 last year and 13 in 35 is remarkable.....in a regular season game. I wanna see that in a playoff game.

In his prime (2001-2006) he was not top 10. James, Wade, Garnett, Pierce, Shaq, Kobe, Vince, Duncan, Iverson, Dirk, Kidd....

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Omg I typed to fast and put

Omg I typed to fast and put one letter in front of another, jeez big mistake. LeBron was not even close to Tmac when he entered the league, Tmac was better then Iverson this from 02 on, Wade was only better once his team won the ship, Vince has not been better since McGrady left Toronto, Pierce hasn't been better then him until last year. Dirk same as Pierce. Kobe was worse then McGrady until Shaq left. Shaq was worse then McGrady the year he left. So that leaves Garnett, Kidd and Duncan (maybe) as the only ones better then him during his prime.

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I meant to say game 6 as

I meant to say game 6 as well, I type too fast.

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I disagree. I mean i dont

I disagree. I mean i dont wanna disrespect T-mac but there are many other guys i would take over him. I just think he's not that great. His numbers are fine but he never went hard 100%, he could never hit the game winner his team needed, he demand a trade out of Orlando, he is not a #1 option in my eyes. Guys like Pierce and Duncan and Kidd ( i even forgot guys like Davis, Allen) were solid leaders who led their team.

Sorry, From 2004 on, I would have taken LBJ and Wade over T-mac.

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Then you really know nothing

Then you really know nothing about T-mac back then, you don't know what your talking about saying he never went hard. That is just stupid.

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He admitted it..He Never

He admitted it..He Never went Hard, He expected his game to be good quarters 1-3 and by 4 he expected the game to be his- Thats his MO. He has amazing talents but He never put it together all the time. He was never a top 5 player in my eyes. NEVER. You know why Kobe and Wade and MJ and others greats won playoff series? Won titles? They never stopped. They never need to hear : Oh, he never had any help. Im sorry, yupyup, your cool but I cannot hear all that He went hard 24/7 BS because thats wrong. He couldn't win me 4 games when it matters the most. Im sorry, He a "superstar" that i would never want on my team. If you gave me a option bewteen T-mac and some other stars in his prime....I would take the other stars.

To say he's close to Duncan in his prime is crazy as well. Duncan is a top 15 ALL TIME PLAYER IN THE NBA.

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He didn't say he never went

He didn't say he never went hard, he said he didn't always go hard. Duncan has always had help on his teams too, he has never been on a bad team.

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Duncan was the main part you

Duncan was the main part you took Duncan away....pretty bad team.

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Also, Even if he won a

Also, Even if he won a playoff series. I will still look to him as overrated. I dont care about the regular season. He never done it when it matters....Case Closed. He is not a closer, he is a guy who will put up 50 against a team to open your eyes but not when it matters. He is a good scorer and thats about it.

The difference between him and MJ and Kobe....DRIVE. Kobe never took a play off. Mike never took a play off..........McGrady admits he does....thats enough for me.

He is a player i would like in quarters 1 2 and 3 but Quarter 4......He wont help me, he is is not a closer.

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Not trying to hate, but I'm just curious when you started watching the NBA. The only reason I ask is because it easy to hate on TMac now that he has been injured a lot and never got out of the first round. But there were a few years where he was an absoulute beast and no question one of the best players in the game. I would never put him in the top 3 in any one season, but he was pretty darn close. Think Scottie Pippen with less defense, but a way better pull up jumper. He has either been injured or just did'nt have enough talent around him. I can see why some people think he might be overrated a little, but I think he gets a lot of unfair critism.

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So because McGrady admitted that he takes plays off you are going to rag on him now? Do you really think that Kobe and MJ didn't take some plays off? Be real. No player plays hard every single play of every single game, but because McGrady comes out and says it all of a sudden he is a scapegoat? That's like saying you don't think Barry Bonds used steroids because he hasn't put a camera in front of his face and said yes I used steroids.

To say McGrady doesn't go hard because of that one statement is ignorant. Every elimination playoff game McGrady has shown up. Period. His team is usually still in the locker room. McGrady has the 5th highest ppg in the playoffs of all time, a list YOUR boy Kobe and YOUR boy Duncan are absent from. He's hasn't made it out of the first round for lack of trying. And how does he get injured if he's not going hard then? Maybe he's at home on his lawnmower and falls off and breaks a leg? Or maybe he and Derrick Rose have the same bedtime habits and he stabbed himself with a knife too. Or maybe its when he's taking all the plays off and joking around with the other team's coach he pulls a hammie or tears an ACL. I don't know what you see out there but that's not what I see. Furthermore, he played half the season when he needed microfracture surgery. Can you imagine how painful that was for a shooter, feeling the bones in your knee rubbing together every time you made a move, and you are sitting here calling him a quitter?

Kobe didn't close out the suns when the lakers were up on them 3-1, is he not a closer too? It took Kobe 7 games to close out the rockets without Yao and without Tmac. So is Artest or Battier a better leader than Mcgrady now because they "led" the rockets to game 7? Or Aaron Brooks for that matter? And would you take all of them over Mcgrady since, you know, they were "clutch" in leading their team to the second round?

13 in 35 seconds is and will be one of the greatest closing moments of all time. Just because it was in the regular season doesn't mean its not still special. Is Kobe's 81 any less great because he did it in the regular season? I don't think because a clutch performance doesn't help you win a championship or a playoff game for that matter that it makes it any less great. Its like when the Celtics beat the Cavs in game 7 last year and everyone talks about how Pierce had 41 points. Well he gave up 45 to James also, people just choose to forget that part because they think a championship validates everything that you have done.

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Sorry...he doesnt fit my

Sorry...he doesnt fit my description as a superstar..

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Knicksboy, I believe you

Knicksboy, I believe you said your 16 making you around 10 or 11 when he was a star, you can't judge him off of those memories.

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Opinions

Discussions about the top or best players are always subjective. I don't expect the writers in this forum to be able to agree on a consensus top 10 list, what more agree on their rankings. I think the discussions on T-mac follow that line. For those who feel he is the "most" overrated, don't expect to get agreement from everyone coz you never will. Same goes for those who think he is deserving. Ultimately its just our opinions - there is no foolproof way of "evaluating".

That said, keep up the debate. It does bring out interesting points from both sides.

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I have books of box scores

I have books of box scores of games from the NBA.

I have old articles from SI, ESPN, and other Basketball Mags......I know im young but i remember alot. I saw games when he looked lackadaisical

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Okay, well what about the

Okay, well what about the games where he was all his team had and put them on his shoulders to win?

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Knicksboy just admitted to judging a prime TMac based on box scores and news articles. His opinion is obviously not gonna be as accurate as those of us who saw him play on a regular basisi. I have been a basketball nut my whole life, and I did'nt know nearly as much as I do now about the game when I was 16 years old.

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