I heard some people say the 1st three picks in next year's draft is set in stone...Harrison Barnes,Katner & Perry Jones or possible Kyrie Irving..
But as most fans who follow basketball knows every year a prospect draft stock can soar..In 2008 Westbrook jumped up to number 4 in the draft..Last year Evan Turner had a breakout year..
Melo might be a player that could possibly move into the top 3...For a young player he has excellent footwork..And can pass out of the post...Some people compare him to Brendan Haywood..I think he plays more like Andrew Bynum..1 thing i notice about him is at times he takes plays off and often defers to less talented teammates..But if Boeheim can get him motivated and work on his offensie game...
the Orangeman might have their best bigman since Derrick Coleman....
melo can be a great bigman for cuse and will became a legit top draft he has all skills to shine in ncaa
my comparision is an young bynum stronger in defence after he ia a coachable player
Ope unlike Westbrook and turner he's not as skilled on offense. Very raw right now. Then again some gms aren't that bright and will draft a player because they are big and athletic yet lacking the skill to contribute much
Common sense.I`ve been insisting it for awhile.
-7`0 Feet Tall
-NO EXTRORDINARY FLAWS
-STILL HAS ALOT TO GO TO REALIZE HIS POTENTIAL
Orton is a first rounder no way this guy is denied lottery. He wuldve been selected in the 1st round last year.
A skilled big man is hard to find so I see no reason why Melo will not get drafted around the same spot as Favors or Cousins was this year
Fab Melo is the type of player Calipari turned Cousins into as far as skillset athletisism and size goes. Him and Dion Waiters are vastly underrated.
Right off the bat, their is no reason really he should not be a top 3 pick (unless of course the popular other 3 have even bigger seasons). He is a legit 7 footer and just a very big guy, also seems to pick up the game quite well for someone who has not been playing competitively for very long. However, I would maybe compare his level of athleticism to another recent 7 footer, actually probably a cross between both Lopez Bros. Now, both of them have been very successful, but I will go out on a pretty small limb here and say that the "money" Lopez, Brook, is incredibly more polished offensively than Melo. It seems like fab is incredibly raw, and the one thing that will help him improve is more than likely time and experience. With Brook Lopez, who was at times considered a possible top 10 pick until he inexplicably slipped to 10th (more than likely due to his perceived lack of athleticism), it was at least known that he had the offensive ability to at least contribute right away. I do not think Melo currently possesses this, hence it is more than likely that if he were to enter the draft, he would be in the mid to late lottery area rather than the top 7 or so. The reason I would not compare him to an Andrew Bynum would be that I think Bynum is far more athletic and considerably longer (Bynum has a massive wing span). Bynum was incredibly raw as well, but I think people kind of sleep on how athletic Bynum really is, hence his potential beastliness when healthy. I would wait until he plays before jumping on the Melo top 3 bandwagon. I think Barnes is the flat out best NBA prospect out there, super polished and just kills competition on a consistent basis. He is an elite athlete and his skill set is just far ahead of anyone else in the class. The next best at this point is more than likely Kyrie Irving, who just seems to be Chris Paul lite, which is a compliment because Chris Paul's athleticism and speed combination is still unmatched, though of course John Wall/Derrick Rose/Russell Westbrook/Deron Williams have that strength that makes them the marvels that they are. With that being said, Irving still should be counted on as being a PG that can lead a team for years on end and could be a huge game changer. I think that Perry Jones has a long way to go for his game to catch up to his enormous potential, but with his length, athleticism and skill set, it will be very hard for Melo to move in front of him. I just do not see Melo doing it, I do not think he possesses the athleticism to do it. He is huge and has enormous potential, but he is not the super big man that I think a lot of people are billing him as. He may have no "extraordinary flaws", but he does have a lot of flaws that will more than likely cause teams to lean towards other more skilled players, even with Melo's prototypical center size. I would say at this point, that while Enes Kanter may not have the potential of a Melo, he is a much safer pick, and should be light years ahead of Melo as far as contributing immediately. I would love to see the two of them match-up, but i think Kanter would win hands down. Does Melo have the ability to dominate and really go at his competition? Does he have that hunger to be a force game in and game out? His size and ability is definitely a rare thing, but I just do not know if he is as dominant of a Center prospect as people are making him out to be. Center is a position that is gradually changing and seems to have been hit by injury at the top more than any other position, but their are a number of potentially solid Centers in the league, and I do not know if Melo would really rank near the top of that potential list. I of course would love to be proved wrong, and I would hope he becomes a dominant center and finally adds some more competition to the most classically dominant position in the games history, but I warn people to more than likely lower their expectations. I think he is much more likely to be a top 3 pick if he stays in college a few years, but if he leaves (which is super likely), than I would expect anywhere from 8-15.
I doubt he'll be a top 3 pick, but I wouldn't be surprised in the least bit if he emerged into a top 10. His defensive presence and size is unbelievable and his post game isn't as raw as most say it is. He has a basic foundation of moves and even some counters, but I wonder sometimes if he's a little too stiff to complete his moves against NBA-caliber big men on a consistent basis at this stage in development though. He's a prospect that's a project, but he could be anything from Brendan Haywood to Andrew Bynum
He will more than likely not be drafted around where Favors and Cousins were this year, is because he is not on their levels as a basketball player. DeMarcus Cousins is much more polished offensively, the guy has the skill set and potential to be a low post force. With Melo, I do not think he has the skill set yet. Also, their is no way he is the athlete Derrick Favors is right now. He is bigger than both of those players, but I have a hard time seeing him put up the numbers Cousins produced in his first year (also, not at the rate at all, Cousins was incredibly efficient). He also does not have the athleticism of a Derrick Favors, whose conditioning seems to be well above both players as well, and will more than likely be a power 4 as opposed to the Center position these players will occupy.
I highly doubt it. Even with Boeheim's summertime praise of him, I don't think he is "a" a better prospect than Kanter or "b" going to have a better season.The Big East beats up freshmen more than other conferences. The body of work since expansion/one-and-done went into effect is there. How did everyone enjoy Jay Wright's touted freshman class last year with Yarou, Dominic Cheek, Maalik Wayns, and Isaiah Armwood? How about Dante Taylor filling in for DeJuan Blair? Deniz Kilicli? Ater Majok? Peyton Siva? You can do that for every year over the past five. I think the flaws in Melo's game will be more quickly and often exposed in that league than if he was to play elsewhere, and while I think he will still have an immediate impact that there will simply be too many other guys who will have better years and less question marks for him to be in a top three discussion.
His post game is raw. When you are that tall and athletic yet u don't dominate consistently then you are obviously raw. That doesn't include the three games I've watched while living in Florida or when I worked out and played in open gym with him. He has potential and should still go lotto bur if he goes top 3 then someone isn't doing there job
I'm really excited for this year's draft because there's no clear favorite for the top 3 pick; in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if a number of players that NBADraft.net has ranked 11-15 (Brandon Knight, Terrence Jones, maybe Jan Vesely) were in the discussion come June. I think Melo has a good shot on talent alone, but one also must consider that he is the only true center NBADraft.net projects will go in the first round this year, after last year's mass exodus of big men. Now that seemingly every team in the league has solved their PG problem, a bunch of teams will be on the hunt for franchise centers, and plenty of teams that could be picking near the bottom this year - Minnesota (despite Kahn's Darko fetish) and Toronto first come to mind - will have a hole at the position. Melo's footwork is raw but he has a reasonably nice jumper out to 15 feet and is showing the willingness to improve (along those lines, he dropped 25 pounds this summer) and will be a force on the defensive end from day one in the league. I think he's currently the odds on favorite to win Big East DPOY. Based on the expectations being placed on Barnes at UNC, Irving's potential lack of #1 pick-level upside (he might be the superior PG, but he's not as electric as Knight, for one), Kanter's lack of explosiveness (and potential issues regarding amateur playing status), I would say, yeah, he has a decent shot.
I don't see him as dpoy in the big east. He's a good shot blocker but he's not the best defender as far as going for pump
fakes foot movement and not picking up
fouls(the zone should help that. I think bothteamsplayhard hit it on the head with how he will struggle in the big east. Big men don't joust dominate in there as freshmen on offense or defense. And there have been much better bug men who have come in as freshmen and looked average. He will have to adjust
Right now he is my number 7 Prospect
Peoples arguements stating he is not a great prospect are, he is raw and he is not athletic.
To say he is raw is meaningless. So what if he is raw. He is also going to play for a year with Jim Bohiem, one of the best coaches in the world in developing talent, and Jim has extreme confidence in his Freshman.
To say he is unathletic is false. he has average explosiveness, although he is above average athletisism especially for a C. He is more athletic then most NBA C's which makes him an exceptional prospect athletically.
I see alot of people jumping on the bandwagon, alot of you know who you are. I remember earlier in the year he was in mockdrafts at around 25-35 and alot of people thought he would be staying for 2-3 years. Everyone is slowly coming onto Melo and his stock will only get larger as he starts beasting the big East.
I've never read that people said he's not a great prospect because he's raw. I've see. People say he's raw and that's why he won't dominate or be a top 3 pick though (unless who ever drafts him is cool with the fact he won't contribute much in the first couple years)which is true
He won't be beasting the Big East. The league has McDonald All-Americans and blue chippers with multiple years of development up and down the rosters. Everyone has physical big men. He won't be the only 280 lbs. center in the league and just walk over people, and like you said he is raw. "So what if he is raw," well if you can't physically dominate people skills kind of matter. Have some perspective.
A top-10 pick is not out of the question, but top-3? No way. IMO, his potential is a solid starting center in the league. He is not better than Kanter, Irving, Sullinger and Barnes. He doesn't have the upside of Perry Jones and I'd rather have Terrence, Alec and Knight over him as well (from what I've seen/heard so far). Top-3 is just too high for him.
Ohcanada-Exceptional prospect athletically? What are you talking about? He is an average athlete.
Watched the game against U of D and he got out played throughout. And as far as young, what a joke, he is one year younger then the Holman guy that outplayed him. So how is being a year younger than a junior make you young???
Eli Holman is in his fourth year of being coached at the NCAA level whereas Melo is in his first. For that matter, Melo has all of five years playing basketball in any organized fashion. He absolutely looks the part of an elite center prospect, and I'm sure that played a role in Boeheim offering the praise he did last summer, but looking the part and playing the part are two different things.
Do your research Holman missed his junior of highschool, played 10 games his senior year of highschool. Redshirted his freshmen year at IU transferred and had to sit out, this is is second full year of college basketball. With that being said how can a guy have more potential and youth be praised and he is a old freshmen??? The games that I have seen Fab Melo play was not impressive at all. Especially on a team with other talent. This AAU/Potential stuff needs to stop. These guys are grown men playing against younger comp and we all wonder why they struggle when the face guys their own age.
Players who sit out a year because they transfer still practice with the team. They still receive coaching. In fact, this is Ray McCallum's fourth year coaching Holman. He was on the IU staff during Holman's freshman year, and Holman transferred to Detroit after that year when McCallum took the Detroit job.
Its not too frafetched to believe I mean Thabeet was a number 2 pick and Fab Melo cannot be any rawer then him
Thabeet has better foot work and three years of big east experience. He was also first team
all big east. Will melo be that in year one? Nope. I don't think any big man has come into
the big east who was raw and just played very very well
I question Fab Melo's upside, he is a 20 year old freshman which is 2 years older than his class. He is a month older than me, and I am a junior in college. I know it does take big men to develop longer, but a 20 year old freshman, that's old. I do think he will be an impact freshman on the defensive end, but how he does on offense will determine if he is a top 10 pick or not. Remember last year people were touting Hassan Whiteside as a lottery pick who wouldn't drop further than the top 20, and he went in the 2nd round. I don't think Fab Melo will go in round 2 if he left after 1 year, but my point is a guy his size is supposed to be a good defender b/c he is bigger than the competition. IMO it will be how he does on the offensive side of the ball that will determine is true draft stock.
I think his draft stock at the very best is between 5 and 8, I don't see him going in the top 3 b/c of the potential other players have (Barnes, Jones, Kanter, Irving).
Not tryin to hate he just doesnt seem like top 3 value in my opinion...then again Udoh or whatever his name is didnt seem like top 10 value either. It really just depends on who drafts where. Say Detroit has pick # 3 and Barnes and Irving are gone then Melo could very well go there but theres an entire season of college ball before we can really debate whos gonna go where'
knicksfan- Whiteside dropped because he is dumb. He kept saying he is better then KG and the Dream.
"Ohcanada-Exceptional prospect athletically? What are you talking about? He is an average athlete."
That means..The prospects athletisism is exceptional. It is not a flaw.below average athletisism is a flaw.
I've said it once I'll say it again Melo isnt just a big banging body. The guy is a superskilled Dexter Pittman, with good conditioning. He may not be running people over in the Big East but he will have post moves, he will have a nice jumper, he will block shots, and he will get big rebounds.
Living in the Cuse, I get to see the practices.
He won't be a top 3 pick but top 10 could be it. What amazes me is the footwork. He doesn't have the post moves yet but he will develop them. He is a little goofy sometimes in practice ( Jimmy B yelled at him a couple times already for it) but overall, I expect him to do well this year and get a top 10 selection.
He can leap Kanter because Kanter has injury issues, also his transition to American style basketball could be harsh. He can leapfrog Sulli because Sulli maybe too slow for PF and not long enough for C, also his conditioning maybe an issue. IMO he can't leapfrog Barnes, Perry or Irving UNLESS it is a team need to acquire a big. In that case he will have to be the top big to be selected Top3 which is possible.
Kanter has injury issues
Really? where did u read that? I didn't know that...
Knicksboy can you tell me how he is doing such as his...
He's alright, he's going to be a 25-30mpg guy
Never see him work on it, he doesn't really need to. Has a baby hook.
Solid, could develop. More left then right
Solid. Not jump out your seat like...but good
Yah European scouts and coaches warn about his injury issues, say it could be a problem. Blair looked fine last year so it maybe just water under the bridge, but still. I forget where I read it but I can assure you I read it.
Ive always been a Cuse fan, now that they seem to enjoy recruiting canadians it just makes it that much easier. Any status reports on the boys, Joseph and particularly Triche.
Melo leap frogging Kanter and Sullinger is laughable. Kanter is a BEAST. He won't have a transition problem at all. Sullinger is just a straight beast. Not to mention the fact that Melo is almost 2 years older than both. Melo is a solid prospect, but top-3 to me is just funny.
Joesph is going to be Big East POY. He's improved on EVERYTHING. I remember Iggy 9 calling him a Andre Iguodala guy...He might be right.
Everything I seen makes me believe Triche will be the starting point guard. He's seems to have that lead guard mentality now.
Melo is two years older then them but has been playing the game for a much shorter period of time which is why he has more room to develop and did Whiteside really say he was better then KG and the Dream
I have heard that over and over again...Who cares? Aaric Murray has been playing ball for a shorter period of time than Melo...Should he be a top-10 pick because of that?
Really Knick? I have a hard time believing that. He played TERRIBLE against Gonzaga when I saw him play (Elias is way better than him IMO). He just seems like an athletic defender to me. Time will tell though. I'll take your word for it. I agree with Triche. He should be the starting pg.
I want the Raptors to pickup Joseph with their late 1st rounder, do you see him slipping that far in the draft?
Kris Joseph will prove to be better than Elias Harris, especially as a prospect. He's also more than an athletic defender. Nobody really knows how he defends anyway since Cuse plays zone. Joseph is a guy that can do everything offensively except shoot the 3. Harris is an energy player who scores by working hard and making wide open shots spotting up
Kris Joseph is raw. Elias Harris was a better player last year. He can't do everything offensively. Actually, both players are pretty raw and are old for their class. I'd take Harris any day over him though.
And I agree Knick, Elias will be a lotto pick.
It's funny you bring that up because I believe Harris will be a lotto pick this season
Joesph didn't do well in that game because Harris gave him fits. He seemed to work on his ball handing and might actually be 2nd or 3rd on the team in assists. I think Ashton Gibbs and Austin Freeman are the other two guys who could win BE POY
The way you described Joseph is sort of like a Sonny Weems type player. Me likey!
Joseph is more Andre Iguodala or Stacey Augmon than Sonny Weems.
Elias Harris is more like Matt Barnes. Take that however you want.
Cuse in the house! Knicks fan, I have to ask you, how does Mookie look? Is there any indication as to his role and minutes would be?
And as for the question at hand, top 3 is the hardest to break. Top 5, BEST CASE, if Fab continues to improve his conditioning and awareness, and shows great defensive execution and a foundation of a post game maybe. What he has going for him is that he's a true center, like Bogut, Kaman, Bynum, Lopez, ect, and theres a real dearth at the NBA level of quality bigs. Meanwhile you have two of the most plentiful positions contending for top spots, tweener forwards, point guards, and jack of all trade wings. Barnes is a clear cut fave to stay in the top 3, meaning Melo would have to outplay everyone but one of Knight, Irving, PJ, Terrence Jones, Kanter, Burks, and both Euro prospects. Thats a tall order.
Mookie should start although Waters is pushing strong to start.
I got kicked out of a game because I started a "Put In Mookie" Chant last season. lol
How is he anything like Igoudala? He is an athletic wing who looks to be a versatile defender...Nothing more. He wasn't half as good as Iggy at the same stage.
I'm happy to hear Mookie can finally get some time. He's been injured a lot which hurt his time and development, but he works mad hard. He took literally 500 jumpshots a day throughout high school, and reallyt wants to leave his mark on the program. he chose number 3 after GMac for a reason.
Mr knicks you better hope the NCAA isn't ready reading this because it's against the rules for Jimmy b to be in the gym or coaching while the players are playing ball. That's a big violation unless they will be playing preaseosin games like Kentucky. I'm actually very suprised that Jimmy would break that rule
Mr knicks you better hope the NCAA isn't ready reading this because it's against the rules for Jimmy b to be in the gym or coaching while the players are playing ball.
For a practice? You sure?
Yep. It's against NCAA rules. They can play in open gym
but the coaching staff is not allowed to be in there before the start of midnight madness. Trainers are the only ones allowed to be in there