"If he gets a 3pt shot and is the 1st option he'll average 25ppg easy imo."
I doubt he ever becomes a good 3pt shooter in his career. The guy shot one of the worst 3pt percentages in NBA history so far in his careere. He's only made 9/68 3's(!) in his 2-year career. You act like it's going to be a piece of cake for him to develop a 3pt shot, but some people never really imrpove their shots when they're in the league. He's a hrad worker, so he could prove me wrong, but I have doubts.
I think he's a 2nd/3rd option at best. No 1st option. He's a good mid-range shooter, but he still has poor handles, poor 3pt shot, doesn't create for his teammates, and is a poor defender. No question he's going to imrpove his game though. He's a gymrat.
when they get the #1 pick who will they take? Point guard? Barnes? or Drummond?
Damn, looks like your 11-12ppg expectations were pretty much off huh JNixon. With Derozan's development, I could honestly see a 2nd option behind a stud big like Drummond, or a terrific scorer with a bad win-loss record.
I personaly saw Travis Outlaw when he was with the Blazers in Derozan and I was openly wrong. Don't discrdit a guy's potential just because he's young when he enters th L.
Can't beliv Oh Canada hasn't jumped on this thread yet.
I said 15 ppg.
And are you on my dick a little?
No actually you said he'd be an 11-12ppg scorer this past season. look at your last post. Simply stating the obvious and thought it was pretty funny seeing this thread brought back up. Don't get mad because you had a wrong assesment. You're the one after all who tends to discredit anyone else thoughts on a payer like your some kind of pro scout. Oh Canade had an opinion and instead of simply disagreeing you hav to go on trying to prove him wrong with arguments that ARENT going to change his opinion no matter how logical or illogical his assesment of said player may be. And really, I could think you've got the issue with me. Take a look at the 2012 comparison thread. You've got people comparing Marshall to Jason Kidd and you decide my assesment of MArshall playing like Shaun Livingston as bbeing the one you disagree with. No worries, just thought it was pretty funny to see you wrong and having to admit it for a change. But I do respect your knowledge of the game and opinions on it no matter how much I disagree with you sometimes.
I feel like you literally click my name and comment on just about everything I say on here by almost stalking my posts. Its weird. I honestly think you should just post and give me space. Maybe arguing with me is a highlight of your day or something, but I think it just needs to be said. Its obviously not as big a deal me to talk basketball on a faceless forum as it is to you, but its not gonna stop you anyway. Im more flattered than anything I guess
Right, thats why you;ve made 11,000+ posts in 2 years b/c posting on a faceless forum means nothing to you. I just get tired of trying to read a thread and everytime someone makes any kind of assesment that you disagree with you hav to go on acting like a dick to them in quite a condescending fashion. Just the way you did with Oh Canada. You always have somthing to say but then when your proven wrong you have some excuse as to why the facts are wrong. Just like me showing you that Livingston plays pg after you saying he played exclusively at sg and sf. then you went on to talk how he may not have played there at Char, but he did in Wash, then I show you the facts that he payed pg there too and you make up more reasons about how he plays offball. You are just too smug for yourself. I admit you know basketball. But you just absolutely are not the be all end all god of nbadraft.net like you think. You are truly the only person on this site I would say that irks me.
It means something to me in that I can talk basketball with people that like the game like I do, but I doesn't mean that I literally stalk what people say just because they "irk" me. There is a thin line between having a competitive argument naturally, and fishing for an argument. I'm NEVER going to cross that line.
If you think I'm a dick about anything on here, you need to get a helmet or get on a cheerleading forum. It gets worse than what I say, believe me. I talk about what I see and just like you have an opinion, I have one. I don't know why you have to be nice, but maybe some people can't take the heat. Maybe confidence can be taken for being a dick, but whats the point of posting if you don't think your right about everything? Why post if you know you're wrong? Makes no sense. I think I'm right everytime I post, and I know I've been wrong. Doesn't stop me from saying what I think. I'm not God-like in my results obviously, but I will say what I think. If you call that being a dick, more power to you.
Its not a matter of what you say, simply how you say it. And show me one instance besides this one where i came "Fishing' for an argument with you. Literaly every argument we;ve had besides this one was because you have saw my post and decided to disagree. But I could care less. Not a big deal, just sriously cant stand someone talking down to myself or others lik you're above everything.
Why are we talking about Derozan leading the Rapts ? Its all about Valanciunas!!
Haha nahh but really Demar isnt gonna be the number one option there for the next 3 years with Bargani there because lets face it even though Bargani is terrible at defense and rebounding he is super skilled at offense he is already 15th in the league at scoring.Yeah top 15! And there are 30 teams in the league so that means he would be leading more then 15 teams in ppg .Thats pretty good and he is only getting better ,espically with there new head coach coming from the Mavs who has had experience with shooting 7 footers .
The Rapts are also getting Valanciunas and like i have always said he has so much potential .He was a beast on the lithuanian team not just at scoring but rebounding too.So I could see the Raptors having a Ed Davis and Jonas Valanciuns starting and have a super six man with Andrea Bargani coming off the bench (kinda like Jamal Crawford but with a bigman)
And for there last piece to become a solid team in the East for the future is going to have to happen in the next draft.Now i dont see how you can guarantee that the Rapts wont have a top 5 pick the draft because im looking at the standings and i dont see the much teams that are worst then the Raptors but with a top 3 pick(there probably gonna be in that range) There best option is Harrison Barnes .But if they get lucky with the number 1 pick they should trade Drummond for a great pg .But if they somehow do get out of the top 5 they still get good options to fill there wholes since this is a goood draft year.
The argument about Kansas' guards. You started that. : http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/underrated-college-pgs
This about Joey Graham, you tried to start. But I didn't respond because it was stupid to try and single me out for this, I thought. : http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/2010-11-fights
The stupid, stupid argument from yesterday.: http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/whos-best-pg-nba-today
Those are all legit debates that I've had with you, the only ones besides one I can think of. The only thing I've legitimately started a debate about with you from what I remember is when I saw that you said was "Iman Shumpert was like Dwyane Wade if he has decisin-making skills" yadda yadda ya. But I didn't have to stalk everythign you say to find it. -__-
Lets not forget about these guys:
Another attempted argument...smh. Likely fished out: http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/lance-stephenson-and-alec-burks-indy-pro-am#comment-378906
Gets old quick...: http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/shooting-guards-0
Dude, you disagreed with ME about the Kansas players, and the shooting guards.In fact, if you look at my first post rgarding the Elijah Johnson, I actually AGREE with you. Where did I ever say one thing towards you in the thread about Stephenson &Burks. Because I disagreed with yours and SEVERAL other peoples posts? Feel threatened or something? Geez.
I did disagree with you about Wall because you made a point I disagreed with. Same with Graham, because You called him a beast I've clearly seen him get punked out so bad that he had his own teammats on the sidelines laughing at him.
I could easily find all the times you have disagreed with me but I dont care nearly enough about this argument to go "fishing" for past posts. How can you seriously tink I go "fishing" for your posts when I literally never leave the first page and read only the things that are updated regularly.
Argument ended though right? OK sensitive man...
Not sensitive, just don;t care enough about this stupid thing to kep arguing w/ you over nonsense. Name calling? Really? Are you like 9 or something? Grow up friend. Life is more than just posting on a website all day. Go out and find a life in the real world. Get a gf or sumthin. This is ridiculous lmao.
I actually really rate DeRozan; he seems like he wants the challenge of winning in Toronto, and if he could make them a successful franchise and persist with them where Bosh and VC failed then his name would go down in history. Bargnani is in the doghouse, and Casey won't be giving him a tonne of minutes unless he commits to defending, so it's easy to see a harder working player like DeRozan getting the nod and exploding. He really made a big jump with his game, and keep in mind he has at least another two years of adjustment ahead of him. DeMar is going to be a very good player in this League down the road, and if Toronto can keep their team together the Raptors can be a contender in 2-4 years.
Honestly, I like Bargs as a second option paired with Valanciunas in the back-court, and it could be a Dirk/Chandler situation down the track given the similarities between the two players. I like Ed Davis, but with Valanciunas in the fold as an inside presence, that scoring at the 4 which Bargs brings is more important in my opinion.
I wasn't a huge fan of Derozan when he first came in the league, I thought he was a long term project and may take several years to be decent-good player, but he has proven me wrong and averaged 17PPG this season, despite not having a 3 point shot, unpolish ball handling. This shows me that he has a TON of room for improvement, 22-23PPG is well within his reach if he improves his jumpshot, range and ball handling, and he is still 21 years old.
He jumped from 8PPG his rookie year, to 17PPG. That is HUGE improvement, and this shows his improvement curve is ascending at an accelerating rate. I can see another 3-4 PPG improvement (20PPG next season) in him next season.
I don't think Derozan can really be a first option on this team. Not saying he doesn't have the talent or will to be because he sure as hell does. I think it is more that Bargnani won't let him become the primary scorer or the go-to guy offensively because if Andrea doesn't have his offensive abilities on display... What else does he show?
IF Derozan develops a consistent shot, and that is a big IF, I think he could get somewhere around 25-27 ppg in about two years. I mean him developing that shot isn't that far out of question, Derrick Rose did it last summer and this year he could knock down the perimeter shot with a hand in his face or wide open. I think right now, he needs to develop the confidence in his shot that could make him so much more of a threat.
And while I agree that he is somewhat far off from being a great player, much less the best player in Raptor's history, he has what it takes to be remembered as one of the better players in that organization.
Yeah, he had a pretty awful percentage but i think its somewhat not true to his actual ability. Almost half of those attempts are probably end of the shot clock/game clock contested 3's. He bareely shot the 3 when he was open because he knows thats not his game. Im not saying it will happen but if he does add a 3pt shot to his game he will be a pretty deadly scorer in the league.
He has a chance yes, to be the greatest Raptor ever, but if the Raptors land a top 3 pick in the 2012 or 2013 class, that chance goes out the window.