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Can the Clippers Get Out of the Gutter?

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Can the Clippers Get Out of the Gutter?

The Clippers have consistantly been downright terrible. I think that most of their problems start at the very top with Donald Sterling, but we aren't going to get into that right now. My question is, do you see them making the playoffs any time in the near future?

On the court, it seems like their biggest problems are efficiency and perimeter defense. I think these areas of concern fall on Baron Davis. He shot less than 41% from the field, he has one of the worst shot selections in the NBA and he turns the ball over at a very high rate. He averages a solid amount of assists, but his basketball IQ and ability to set his teammates up is too low to be a reliable leader. On top of that, his defense is lacking, and he doesn't put in very much effort here. His contract is a terrible burden, and I don't think that they could convince a team to take it even if they threw in the number 8 pick.

Guys like Travis Outlaw and Rasual Butler don't turn the ball over much, but they do shoot very low percentages. This is probably due to the fact that they are not comfortable playing in the Clippers current system. You'd have to ask a Clippers fan if Davis is responsible for this as well. I like Butler as a shooting role-player off the bench, but I think that Outlaw should be let go this offseason. He doesn't offer much besides scoring and he didn't even do that well last season.

Chris Kaman, Eric Gordon, Steve Blake and Drew Goodon all joined Baron Davis in averaging more than 2 turnovers a game with the Clippers last season. The Clippers as a team led the NBA by a WIDE margin in the turnovers committed to turnovers forced ratio. Once again -- as the lead guard -- this falls on Baron Davis' shoulders.

The Clippers can add a solid free agent or two this summer. Also Blake Griffin should be coming back healthy and the number 8 pick can add some more talent to the team.

I think that Gordon Hayward would be the best pick for the Clippers. He won't be an all-star, but he can really be a great glue-guy, and add some stability and efficiency to the Clippers' starting line-up. They really don't need a potential all-star (Paul George) or an isolation player (Luke Babbitt). They need somebody who can play in a system and make his teammates better, and that is Gordon Hayward.

Is this a playoff rotation?

Davis/Blake

Gordon/Butler

Hayward

Griffin/Smith

Kaman/Jordon

They still don't have any perimeter defense, but it's not like Babbitt or George are any better defensively than Hayward (at least at this point). Maybe they can get a 2/3 defender in free agency.

What do you think the Clippers need?


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They draft players like Keith Closs

That's why I say give Philly the pick for Andre Iguadola...No free agent is going to go there so get one through trade so to speak...Can they really get a better player for the 8th pick and De'Andre Jordan...I mean you and most have them drafting Haywood,Aminu,George or Babbit...Wouldn't a top 5 Sf help more than rookie project...and Is De'Andre really untouchable...He's no Keith Closs...

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OMG a basketball-based post?

OMG a basketball-based post? We should sticky this.

But seriously, If we are judging their team by just the players I think they are very good. And depending on how the West shakes out next year, if healthy, they could make a run at that 8th spot. We also need to see how productive Davis still is. But from Griffin to Davis and Gordon along with Davis thats a great 4 players right there then I think if they took George or a good, athletic wing they could have a monster starting 5.

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mikenike trade threads are basketball posts...

They have taken over the site though....Maybe we can have another GM Draft....

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I was talking to the other

I was talking to the other guy.

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I don't give a &$#%#&@!...what are you the cool kids
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Trading Baron Davis

Man, those numbers at that salary make him hard to move. If the Clippers want a new PG and a perimeter defender, they could send him to Indiana for TJ Ford and Dahntay Jones, but I don't know if that's much of an upgrade. I think L.A.'s best hope might be to just wait and see how the roster gels with a full training camp together -- there was a lot of turnover last season.

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Nomoney made a serious post!

Nomoney made a serious post! haha. Good post. I don't think they will be a playoff team next year, but in 2012 they could be very good and possibly be a 7th or 8th seed.

Davis is a fun player to watch, but he's inefficient and hasn't been elite since the GSW days. They need to pick up a backup in the draft who's steady and a good shooter and/or defender. I think Mikhail Torrence, Jerome Randle, or Denis Clemente would all be good picks.

Gordon has to prove he hasn't peaked too early. His season was a disappointment to me. I think he will get better, but he has to show it. He seems like a Mitch Richmond type potentially.

They need to address SF. Outlaw doesn't fit long term, Butler is a backup. They could look to draft Hayward, George, or Babbitt but I think they need defense on the wing more than they need any of the rookies.

Griffin is the future if he proves healthy. Rhino Smith is a good change of pace PF who is efficient as well.

Kaman might be traded, but if not he's a solid and probably an All-Star big. Jordan is an enigma who will never be Dwight Howard, but he could be a very good backup or even role playing starter if developed right.

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WoW, I forgot to mention

WoW, I forgot to mention Butler. I really like him also, knockdown shooter who can get hot and can play D. How did i forget, he killed my Cavs with 30something this yr

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WoW, I forgot to mention

WoW, I forgot to mention Butler. I really like him also, knockdown shooter who can get hot and can play D. How did i forget, he killed my Cavs with 30something this yr

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Maybe. Definitely if they can

Maybe. Definitely if they can get that racist POS Donald Sterling to sell the team, but he probably won't. He can rake in the dough and continually put out a losing team and he knows this, so there isn't a ton of motivation for him to win.

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They

They would monkey-flip if Aminu fell to 8. He doesn't solve any of their biggest problems (does give them a nice defender though), but he is clearly the best talent out of himself, George, Babbitt and Hayward.

I really like Steve Blake, Rasual Butler, Craig Smith and DeAndre Jordon as bench players, though. So unlike some teams they already have the depth (provided they can resign them). Baron Davis is a problem and they need a starting caliber SF, but other than that they seem like they have a pretty good future.

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I will say it again, the

I will say it again, the clippers have a really nice team. From top to bottom.

"but he is clearly the best talent out of himself, George, Babbitt and Hayward."

I disagree. He is not the best talent nor is he the best fit. George can do everything Aminu can plus he gives you extra goodies. He cans shoot beyond the 3pt line, has great handle, can create his own shot, and is very polished offensively while still having plenty of room to grow. he is also all the finisher Aminu is . I would take him over Hayward. And I think its a tossup between him and babbitt.

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Nah

Al-Farouq Aminu is 10x the defender that Paul George is. He's also a better rebounder.

George may have a better offensive game, but he was very inefficient in college. Without any leadership or a solid point guard, I would be surprised if he shot above 40% from the field in his rookie year. He is also freakishly turnover-prone. So I think that George solves none of their issues.

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But if you have Griffin and

But if you have Griffin and Kaman will rebounding even be a glaring weakness? Defense changes at the next level for multiple reasons as well as turnover tendencies due to a much different game. Georger gives you everything Aminu can plus more.

But you have your opinion so...

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Paul George will be a

Paul George will be a one-dimensional scorer. He's not nearly the rebounder or defender Aminu is. They only thing he'll do better than Aminu is score, and I don't think George will be a better scorer as a rookie. Down the line, the scoring difference will be small too. Paul George plays just like Wilson Chandler did in college, he's not going to provide any more than Aminu is other than scoring. And that is going to be by a narrow margin I think too.

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I think the Clippers can pull

I think the Clippers can pull a Rudy Gay in FA. It they do that, I think you could add a quality big off the bench and use the 8th pick on a Ekpe Udoh.

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