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can this celtics lineup make the playoffs?

Starting unit

Pf - olynyk
Pf - sullinger
Sf - jeff green
Sg - avery bradley
Pg - rondo

Bench

C - humphries
Pf - bass
Sf - wallace
Sg - lee
Pg - brooks/pressey

Can this lineup sneak into the 7-8 spot ?


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MMMMMM... no. Considering

MMMMMM... no. Considering Rondo's health is still up in the air and the Wizards and Cavs are much improved. In reality the Celtics don't want to sneak into the playoffs to get swept in the first round especially when you consider next years draft.

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Consider the fact that with

Consider the fact that with Rondo last year the Celtics really struggled on several occassions vs. without Rondo the team played solid basketball and went on a few crazy winning streaks.

Rondo is important but i wouldn't call him a "i can carry a team on my back" calibre player. He is great in the playoffs but he can't get a fat head bc of it. Jeff Green or Olynyk has a better chance "to be the man" type guys.

Sullinger and Olynyk duo upfront has the largest question mark in the lineup. But man i see loads of potential. Two unathletic guys, but have quick minds, high motor and bring unique skillset to the table. Sullinger like a Anthony Mason just using his heft wearing opponents down and Olynyk tiring guys out by having them chase him out to the perimeter. Jeff Green if he continues his late year tear, could be a top 5-7 sf in the league and lastly a bench that is deep. Guys like Humphries, Wallace, Lee are borderline starters.

Celtics make 8th and i feel they can squeeze a win or vs the heat (especially if playoff Rondo is on). It will be a good learning experience/buildup. If they make 7th and face the knicks or pacers, depending on matchups, celtcs def have a chance. Everyone talks about 2014 draft, but imo if celts need Wiggins/parker, than Jeff Green is going out the door. Jeff Green is just getting started

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Green, Bradley, and Rondo is

Green, Bradley, and Rondo is certainly a good start to a team sneaking into the 8th seed in the East, but their frontline will be a disaster defensively. Olynyk should improve in that department in time, but rookies typically struggle mightily in that area.

Their bench isn't all that bad even though just about every player's 2013 campaign left a lot to be desired.

And there's Rondo's health of course. While he's out it'll be interesting to see if Jeff Green can be a consistent go-to scorer without much help.

It's a more serious discussion if Rondo started the season ready to go, but they could get off to a horrid start without him and dig themselves too deep of a hole to contend.

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I think this Celtic's team

I think this Celtic's team will really struggle to score in the half-court. Not great shooting and Rondo, Bradley, Wallace and Green are all best in the open court. I like some of their young players, but the Celtics' defense will be hurt by the loss of Garnett and their offense should be even worse than its been these past couple of years. I don't like the idea of Jeff Green as a go-to scorer.

I do have high hopes for Olynyk, though, who I feel was an outstanding draft choice. The ceiling of this Celtics team will be determined in large part by the development of Olynyk and Sullinger. If they can become a solid (and healthy) big man duo, the team could make the playoffs in two years with a nice acquisition in the 2014 offseason.

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You saw Jeff Green score 43

You saw Jeff Green score 43 vs the heat right? And also have a few ridiculous games vs the knicks in the playoffs.

He is very close to be a "go to guy" , like Paul George is for Indiana. Celts undoing will be bc of Green and Rondo lackluster/inconsisten play. Than i'm certainly down for Wiggins/Gordon/Harrison/Selden

Just like you, i have high hopes for Olynyk. Defensively he might struggle but offensively he will just dish it right back.

Don't think many in the league will be able to cover him. Just a matchup nightmare

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No way, and that's not only

No way, and that's not only because they're not good enough, but also because that's not the plan and I think that if they start to win more than expected Ainge is going to put some pressure on the coaching staff to slow them down. All in all it's really tough to blame him, I mean the worst thing for the Celtics would be one or more mediocre seasons, with the 16th-15th-14th best record in the league and one or more mid first round pick to build on, when they're clearly lacking franchise talents (I really like some of their players, like Green, Sullinger, and Olynyk but, while I see them being a possible part of a winning team and maybe some good 2d/3d option, they clearly aren't bringing the Celtics really far).

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and wiggins or parker is??

and wiggins or parker is??

No pick is ever guaranteed to be your next Lebron like savior. I was not overly impressed with Wiggins in the world vs us game. Outside of ability to slash in for a bucket, his jump shot needs work, passing needs work , defense needs work.

Reminds me of Shabazz Muhammad in that he can score, but if he can't score, doesn't provide much impact otherwise for the team. He is not there yet

Celtics imo can't rely on a 2014/2015 team to get them back to the promise land. If they fail , they won't likely be at the bottom of the standings and will need to pull a 2008 year again and trade assets for proven vets.

Btw also everyone on the celts from staff to players have said "no tanking". Danny can help the tank the team by trading Rondo but i can't imagine Stevens benching Green in the 4th quarter after he has dropped 30.

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No pick is ever guaranteed to

No pick is ever guaranteed to be a superstar, but with Green, Olynyk, Sullinger you know what you get and I see some upside, but really not that much, while you can at least hope that Wiggins, Parker, Randle or whoever will be drafted within the first 5 pick this year or the next one could be a franchise changing talent. And also, while there's no such thing as a can't miss superstar prospect, you're more likely to draft a potential superstar if you've got a top 5 pick than if you're choosing with 15-20.

Also, drafting promising players gives you a very valuable asset when it comes to building a winning team not only because you can build your team around those youngsters, but also because even when they aren't good enough you can still trade them for veteran stars. Guess how did Celtics get Garnett and Ray Allen?

By the way, what they say about tanking it's pretty much irrelevant, I mean can you remind me please of anyone in the Nba saying explicitly they were going to tank? Even Bobcats in 2012 or Cavs in 2003 denied they were tanking, though it was clear to everyone else.

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It all really depends on

It all really depends on Rondo's health. If he can get back early and play at a very high level it will definitely help their chances. I think they have the personnel to get the 7th or 8th seed. As of right now I don't think they'll make it, but they do have a decent rotation.

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OP what are your projections

OP what are your projections for Jeff Green this year? You seem to be really high on him.

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17ppg, 5rb, 2 assist, 1.5

17ppg, 5rb, 2 assist, 1.5 blocks

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they can make the playoffs,

they can make the playoffs, but it's no guarantee. they are more in the playoff bubble talk. but if they make the playoffs, they are kind of stuck in that paradox of mediocrecy among other nba teams and without making moves or drafting someone great will be just in or just out of the playoffs ala milwaukee bucks for years to come. so would they really want to make the playoffs? i think what they are doing for now is great. they are rebuilding with young talent. the best of their young talent will eventually be resigned and they will all be learning with a skilled young coach who is also learning with them.

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Well dont forget if they get

Well dont forget if they get into the playoffs, they have playoff rondo. Who knows then.

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you really think i forgot

you really think i forgot that? i think you forgot something-if the celtics made the playoffs with playoff rondo and that young talent, but no kg or pierce, they would make it at best as the 6th spot in the east. who would that match them up against? if they got the 8th spot-sweep for the heat. if they got the 7th or 6th spot-welcome to chicago or indiana buddy!

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The only way this is even a

The only way this is even a discussion is because this is the Eastern Conference. Jeff Green should never be a go to guy on a playoff team. Im a die hard C's fan and have watched pretty much every game since 96. Jeff Green in this day and age should be the third best player, tops, on a playoff team that anyone should think has any chance to win any series.

The frontcourt is a mystery, i think Sully becomes a Boozer type player ( as in terrible at D but can get his points with decent post moves, size, and decent shot) Olynyk will be alright, but tell me, if we go against a Hibbert/West, Bron/Bosh, Boozer/Noah, KG/Lopez or even a Melo/Chandler, how do we stop it? Ya the backcourt can handle all those teams backcourts, but frontcourt, which is huge in the Playoffs, were screwed.

And back on Jeff Green, people saying hes just getting started, and hes gonna break out, hes like a Paul George......... Hes 27,. Yea not that old, same age as rondo in fact. But Rondo has already proved himself at 27, and most players that are gonna be a cornerstone of a franchise have by that age as well. Hes had a couple great games, yea i get it, he went for forty something against the Heat. I do believe multiple non Franchise players have gone off like that. He averaged 12.8 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 1.6 apg last year at 27 with 28 mpg, In perspective, Wilson Chandler, drafted the same year, but is 26, played just 25 mpg and averaged 13 ppg, 5.1 rpg and 1.3 apg..... But no one mentions him as a cornerstone to a franchise..... Just never made sense why people think Jeff Green can be THAT guy.... Sorry for the rant

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The only way this is even a

The only way this is even a discussion is because this is the Eastern Conference. Jeff Green should never be a go to guy on a playoff team. Im a die hard C's fan and have watched pretty much every game since 96. Jeff Green in this day and age should be the third best player, tops, on a playoff team that anyone should think has any chance to win any series.

The frontcourt is a mystery, i think Sully becomes a Boozer type player ( as in terrible at D but can get his points with decent post moves, size, and decent shot) Olynyk will be alright, but tell me, if we go against a Hibbert/West, Bron/Bosh, Boozer/Noah, KG/Lopez or even a Melo/Chandler, how do we stop it? Ya the backcourt can handle all those teams backcourts, but frontcourt, which is huge in the Playoffs, were screwed.

And back on Jeff Green, people saying hes just getting started, and hes gonna break out, hes like a Paul George......... Hes 27,. Yea not that old, same age as rondo in fact. But Rondo has already proved himself at 27, and most players that are gonna be a cornerstone of a franchise have by that age as well. Hes had a couple great games, yea i get it, he went for forty something against the Heat. I do believe multiple non Franchise players have gone off like that. He averaged 12.8 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 1.6 apg last year at 27 with 28 mpg, In perspective, Wilson Chandler, drafted the same year, but is 26, played just 25 mpg and averaged 13 ppg, 5.1 rpg and 1.3 apg..... But no one mentions him as a cornerstone to a franchise..... Just never made sense why people think Jeff Green can be THAT guy.... Sorry for the rant

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JEFF GREEN

he had a heart condition and missed a whole season due to surgery, so I believe he'd been thru hard times and despite his age, Jeff Green actually may have not reached his full potential. From now on it's all about his work ethic, character, mental toughness, leadership abilities - if you don't think he's got those, you may be right, I believe he's got it and this gonna be Jeff Green's season.

About the topic - I don't thimk C's will sneak into play-offs, they'll probably hava a really bad start and by the time Rondo is back it'll be too late to chase tha Cavs, Wizards, Pistons and the Hawks. It's for the best though and they know it. So my forecast is that Boston will not be tanking at least not "officially" :) So having two first-rounders in '14 Draft - one in the lottery + Rondo, Brooks, Green, Olynyk and Sullinger the future looks bright for Boston.

The OP forgets about Jordan Crowford - he's a great shooter off the bench, so the line-up is decent, with the frountcourt being the biggest issue.

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The only way this is even a

The only way this is even a discussion is because this is the Eastern Conference. Jeff Green should never be a go to guy on a playoff team. Im a die hard C's fan and have watched pretty much every game since 96. Jeff Green in this day and age should be the third best player, tops, on a playoff team that anyone should think has any chance to win any series.

The frontcourt is a mystery, i think Sully becomes a Boozer type player ( as in terrible at D but can get his points with decent post moves, size, and decent shot) Olynyk will be alright, but tell me, if we go against a Hibbert/West, Bron/Bosh, Boozer/Noah, KG/Lopez or even a Melo/Chandler, how do we stop it? Ya the backcourt can handle all those teams backcourts, but frontcourt, which is huge in the Playoffs, were screwed.

And back on Jeff Green, people saying hes just getting started, and hes gonna break out, hes like a Paul George......... Hes 27,. Yea not that old, same age as rondo in fact. But Rondo has already proved himself at 27, and most players that are gonna be a cornerstone of a franchise have by that age as well. Hes had a couple great games, yea i get it, he went for forty something against the Heat. I do believe multiple non Franchise players have gone off like that. He averaged 12.8 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 1.6 apg last year at 27 with 28 mpg, In perspective, Wilson Chandler, drafted the same year, but is 26, played just 25 mpg and averaged 13 ppg, 5.1 rpg and 1.3 apg..... But no one mentions him as a cornerstone to a franchise..... Just never made sense why people think Jeff Green can be THAT guy.... Sorry for the rant

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no. From Feb 19 until end of

no.

From Feb 19 until end of the year , Jeff Green was averaging 20 pg , 5 reb. I could be under estimating actually

He has had little chance to start as a SF (minus a few chances in his first years in the league). In OKC Durant was the guy at the SF spot, presti knew this and wanted to get rid of duplication. In Boston, he was coming along , and then a nasty injury derailed him. Last year with Pierce injured mostly late in the year, Jeff Green had a chance to start and really came on. He played more aggressively and consistently

i'd be surprised if he regresses. And i do agree he is really a 2nd or 3rd scoring option. But it doesn't matter, as long as he is that. Look at the Pacers who really have no go to scorer (with Hibbert taking on that role as of late). They still had an excellent year and team went really far. Not saying the Celtics are the Pacers of now, but like them, there will be contributions from throughout the lineup vs having one or two guys do everything.

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I see a glaring weakness in

I see a glaring weakness in their front court as far as defense goes. Sullinger had a solid rookie year, but he got beat up defensively at times and we all know Olynyk has some serious work to do in order to be an passable NBA defender. A healthy Rondo/Bradley backcourt is fantastic defensively, but with Green as #1 and Olynyk as #2 with Rondo #3 scoring options they need to be an elite defensive team all the way around because points are not going to come easy.

I think they'd be better off starting Humphries at the C position and give him the bulk of the minutes with Sullinger coming off the bench as a backup PF. Humphries is in a contract year and is a capable rebounder/defender type player.

All that aside, a HEALTHY Rondo all season, could take this team to an 8 seed, but with him recovering from an injury and coming back in Jan, I don't think these Celts have a shot.

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Imo think sully and oly will

Imo think sully and oly will surprise defensively. Not
Highlight reel shotblocking good but technically sound decent.

Both sully and oly have have high iq and motor. The two recipes that make an avg defender into a great one.

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JEFF GREEN

He is one of my favourites for the Most Improved Player award, not that he's a franchise changer or sumkind of superstar, but because he's a verry good scorer, decent rebounder and I think he can develop leadership qualities, he also proved that he can manage in clutch situations. And all this in a lacking-talent Celtics where he's gonna be undisputed No1 scoring option.My projections for him are: 19 ppg 6 rpg 2 apg 1.2 spg 1.2 bpg

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Not a Playoffs Team

And even if they believed they could be a playoffs team, you don't get there by starting a frontcourt of one rookie and one undersized sophmore with less than 1 season.

Humphries and Bass are your starting frontcourt. You could justify bringing Bass off the bench as a sixth man. But I prefer going with the two proven pros to get some consistancy going from the start of the game.

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Sullinger beat bass into the

Sullinger beat bass into the starting lineup last year. The main reason is bass is a poor reboundef for a pf and sullinger is a very good one.

Also if the celts start humphries they will def not make the playoffs. The guy is a proven bench player and nothing more.

Much more potential with sully and oly out there even if they will suffer a little first.

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You start Sullinger and

You start Sullinger and Olynyk you get your tails kicked every game on D. I really like both players, but they are green, not to mention physically underdeveloped. At best one of the two young bigs starts, but on that we will have to see.

Yes, Sullinger did great last year (PLAYING BESIDE KEVIN GARNETT - one of the best defenders in history!).

Humphries is a rebound machine and can make up for Bass in that respect. They need to score some points eventually and Bass gives them that. Again - Garnett who could hit that mid range jumper is gone from the starting lineup.

This team is not making the playoffs in any known universe that I am aware of. Of course Bass and Humphries come off the bench on other squads. Other squads are actually good.

Even on a team that is geared for development of young players, when it comes down to game time you put in the players that know how to play NBA basketball.

Keep in mind I am a HUGE Cs fan. This team sucks. I have made peace with that. So should you.

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Last time i checked olynyk

Last time i checked olynyk was making mid range jump shots without flinching. You saw the sl games right? Somehow in the nba he cant hit a jump shot anymore?

Also not sure u can say either sullinger or olynyk are underdeveloped physically. Sullinger is 270-280 and is a big boy already. Olynyk was a senior pretty much and weighs close to 240. We are not talking about a 216 pound noel here

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The kid has not played a

The kid has not played a single NBA game yet. Then you go and match him up against Dwight Howard / Roy Hibbert / Tyson Chandler / the Detroit Pistons etc etc.

He is going to be too busy scraping himself of the parquet for the first few months to even worry about hitting jump shots. Olynyk is great. I think he will be one of the best in his class. But what do you want from me here? He's still going to get creamed for a while.

I'm just not sure what you are trying to convince us of here. As a whole this team is one notch above terrible. Rondo and Green are solid, but can't really cary them too far. Not a playoff team in any configuaration. Putting forward a very inexperienced front line is not going to make things any easier.

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Sullinger is a fast forward

Sullinger is a fast forward 2nd year player. Got praise from doc and kg about how 'vet' like his game is. Watch his clips or games of last year. He outplayed gortat and chandler and those guys have 3 inches of height adv.

Olynyj is a pf. His game is not to out muscle u more than outplay you from the perimeter. If he can keep david west, bosh of this world from getting good looks, his job is done. If west wants to play physical he can shoot over him . if he comes too close dribble by him. He has so many tools to score.

Not saying these two suddenly rule the nba but they are better equipped to make ab impact vs jefferson/perk or drummond/monroe first year duo

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I don't know. Feels like I

I don't know. Feels like I am taking crazy pills here. Just don't see how any of your points are relevant. Your OP asked does this lineup make the playoffs? NOT IN A MILLION YEARS. Don't care who you start.

If I'm the head coach in a situation like that, do I start one of these young guys? maybe. Do I start both together? NOPE!

I don't see either of these two as sure fire starters in the league. Though they have the potential.

Olynyk has not even seen training camp yet!

How do you assume at this point he should be starting over proven NBA vets (limited as they are).

At best several months down the road, or more likely next season these guys could start reguarily together. And they still wil not be in the playoffs. Hope you enjoyed the last 5 season because that ride is over.

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2012-2013 vs 2013-2014 celts.

2012-2013 vs 2013-2014 celts.

1. Pp and kg are gone.
2. Green replaces pp at the sf spot. Its about time
3. Kg loss bigger, esp defensive end
4. Last year team overachieved. Small lineup and three guys from chinese league having to help out
5. This years team has more depth from the bench than last years
6. Kg loss again big but some scoring help is on the way with olynyk and passable defense from humphries
7. Without rondo there are question marks but last year without him for a while, ab and lee played some strangling defense. Also lead to better ball movement

Bottom line imo is kgs loss and defensive impact vs better 2013-2014 team depth .

I think celts have a chance esp, with question marks regarding hawks without smith and bucks without a true pg. If bynum and varejao are healthy cavs should make it in. But without at least one another big question mark. Wiz didnt do anything much to improve team

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I don't see this roster

I don't see this roster making the playoffs. They have some good players but they just don't have enough right now. Beside Green who can score the ball. They don't have enough shooters. They have no one that can give them consistent points in the paint( I like Olynyk and Sullinger but they not ready for that right now). I will tell you right now even with a health Rondo this roster struggles to make the playoffs.

Plus they have a first year head coach. I like Brad and he did a great job at Butler. But the NBA is different. This is transition time for Boston right now. Boston fans just know that this will be a rough year. But you are moving in the right direction.

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If sullinger can produce a

If sullinger can produce a double double, olynyk is a roy candidate , green Just keeps trucking, bradley who has bulked up goes back to 2012 form and rondo also keeps trucking,, celts have a chance. Thr bench to me is one of the strongest from the east. You also have a genius college coach who took a no namr program to two straight ncaa tourney finals.

No doubt the final product likely has kinks. But 80 percent of last yr team is still here and its less of a mess vs say 76r or magic team. Even the wiz team is still a mess imo.

The worse case i still see the celts in the 8-10th spot area and best 6-8.

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What am I missing? If Rondo

What am I missing? If Rondo is healthy then the Celtics have a very good all-star point guard with a few other good players and several question marks. Same as the Cavs with Kyrie Irving. The Wizards have a very, very talented John Wall, a few guys who can really play, but a lot of question marks too. All three teams are basically in the same category. I wouldn't count out Rondo. They might not get to .500 this year but 38 or 39 wins could get them the 8th seed.

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Just out of curiosity, whose

Just out of curiosity, whose your top 7 teams from the east then?

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People who think they will

People who think they will tank to get a higher pick seem to forget that the Celtics have currently in their hands NINE 1st round draft picks in the next 5 years (thanks to trades). You don't need to tank when you can trade and move up in the draft board thanks to all those picks.

Moreover I don't see the celtics keeping their team and not trading during the year. Humphries and bogans 17M expiring deals (no guarantee for bogans indeed) can be dealt easily (look at how biedrins+jefferson turned into iguodala in GS).

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Danny Ainge is not a tank

Danny Ainge is not a tank sort of guy so I agree with you there for sure. But he is someone who will wait it out until he sees the right time to make a move.

The Celtics are not going to go out of their way to trade their way into an 8 spot. They are looking to build their way back to the top 4 - through trades/ draft/ FA. whatever it takes, and when the right moves are there.

No way this team is in the playoffs in 2014.

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like the previous commentor

like the previous commentor said, the celts have 9 first round picks in total in the upcoming several years.

That alone could buy them a really high pick in both 2014 and 2015 draft.

So there is no incentive to tank or play badly. Just play your best, and if you make the playoffs that is a bonus in development. Better than Bobcats or Magic who haven't tasted the playoffs in a long time that they don't even know how to close out regular season games. AND you can add a promising upcoming rookie or two. or make a trade for a nice player come draft night.

BTW on a side note, regarding the situation of the celtics frontcourt. This is what Chad Ford wrote about Olynyk/Sullinger when projecting his 2014 mock draft

"With a super-skilled frontcourt of Jared Sullinger and Kelly Olynyk,"

He is on and off in his analysis. This time he is dead on . This is going to be a surprising pair to watch imo

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