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Can Anthony Davis make an impact offensively?

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Can Anthony Davis make an impact offensively?

So, we know that Davis is a defensive stud, but how much of an impact will he make on offense as a rookie?


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think on

think on a team like NO with eric gordon(if he comes back) would need little to none offense from him

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He'll average double figure

He'll average double figure points. I'd say somewhere in between 12-15 points.

Obviously he isn't the most skilled in the low post just yet, so I expect he'll make most of his offensive impact off of put backs, lobs, etc.

I think he'll be solid in the pick and roll/pop game with Eric Gordon and Jarett Jack.

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anthony davis

anthony davis would be thier def specialist

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8-12 ppg... Off lobs and

8-12 ppg... Off lobs and broken plays.

Don't see him isolating or posting up very much this early in his career.

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I'll say this about AD, he

I'll say this about AD, he has a very underrated offensive game facing the basket. He wasn't allowed to much freedom in UKs system offensively but he has a solid mid-range game and decent handles for a big man, he is not Marcus Camby or Tyson Chandler with the ball in his hands.

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I am thinking about 14 points

I am thinking about 14 points a game on 50% shooting. He will have to rely on putbacks and lobs a lot but if he works on getting to the foul line consistently he will be a dangerous offensive player in no time.

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Davis actually has a really

Davis actually has a really nice shooting stroke... something there was virtually no need to use in his lone season at UK.

IF Davis starts right outta the gate, Okafor is the C (unless traded) so Davis is at PF. His NBA coaches will implore him to be aggressive getting to the rim and for him to shoot the midrange/elbow shot to keep defenses honest and open up the floor.

Depending on his usage and minutes, we could predict per 36mins, 4-5 shots around the rim, 2-3 midrange shots, 2-4 transition shots and 4 free throws per game. I'd say 16 ppg would be easy money for his rookie season... but I'm thinking Davis gets closer to 20ppg because the Hornets will likely give him all the playing time he can handle like OKC did with their young guys a few years back.

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I agree...

I agree that Davis has a nice stroke but that's doesn't mean he'll be able to hit the shots at the rate your describing. You make it seems like Davis has a refined offensive game to be able to avg 16-20 ppg as a rookie. A 16-20 ppg rookie is usually done by those who are known as pure scorers which Davis is not. I think as a rookie he'll have a similar skillset to serge ibaka but since he'll have a higher usage as probably the 2nd or 3rd option he'll probably average somewhere around 10-12ppg with having a 20 point game every once in a while.

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@ UNC_21 All I ment was Davis

@ UNC_21

All I ment was Davis just has to hit his open shots when they present themselves and it will stop the player guarding him from collapsing into the paint and providing help defense. I'm not expecting him to take dudes off the dribble.

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I see...

I see what your trying to say but we have to see whether or not he'll be able to consistently hit mid range jumpers. He does have a nice stroke but we have yet to see if that stroke ends with the ball going in the net. With his stroke he should be able to develop a nice mid-range but I am not yet convinced that it will be there in his rookie season.

I think majority of his points will be off catch and dunks, put backs and the occasional jumper. That's just my opinion though...who knows maybe he'll show an arsenal of offensive moves that we've never seen and be a 20+ ppg scorer. We'll have to wait and see...

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I doubt he'll ever be a true

I doubt he'll ever be a true threat offensively. I can see 15ppg at his peak.

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He'll be doing most of his

He'll be doing most of his scoring on lobs, putbacks, and I see him shooting a quick spot up jumper from the elbow once in a while. I can't see him getting to the line too much. The one thing that makes Davis valuable at this early stage of his career is his offensive efficiency. I'm not expecting it to be much different in the pros.

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Bear in mind that he was the

Bear in mind that he was the best offensive player on the 2nd best offensive team in college basketball last year. Whenever he rolled to the rim off the pick and roll, teams would send help from the strongside corner because they feared him as the roll man.

Early in his career, his biggest impact on offense will likely come off of pick and roll plays, running the floor in transition, and offensive rebounds. He has excellent hands, a high reach, and the ability to score around the basket, so quick semi post-ups off the pick and roll and buckets diving to the rim will be their for him. He won't score in clear outs in the post or many designed post ups early in his career, but he should be able to score efficiently, as Ara Minats mentioned. He is better at finishing plays around the basket than Tyson Chandler or other defensive minded bigs due to his touch and coordination.

I think he scores anywhere between 10 and 16 ppg as a rookie. It all depends on how the team uses him and how consistent his mid-range jumper is.

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i agree with some of you guys

i agree with some of you guys 14ppg is what comes to my mind he is going to shoot dribble much more in bigger nba court and being the biggest hornets hope not a role player like in Kentucky..and his length athleticism next to that intensity high motor will get him some easy buckets or dirty one's too in putbacks free throws isolation plays, also he is pretty good already in pick&roll..

and then time will tell, im big believer his wide shoulders let's him be above 240lbs his soft touch will make him really good shooter and even post player..we will see but he will be a difference maker on both ends for sure

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He'll be high usage enough to

He'll be high usage enough to get around 14 ppg since NO needs him to develop. I don't expect much efficiency yet, but that will come.

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^

I kind of think the opposite. I think he will be fairly high efficiency, probably shooting over 50%. He doesn't take a lot of bad shots and I think he has the touch, size, and athleticism to finish around the hoop, so he will shoot well. I don't think he will be super high usage, as he is a raw offensive player who doesn't have the ability to just create his own shot. I think the usage will go up later in his career.

I think he could probably be a comparable offensive player to Ibaka (as he is now), with a better ability to score down low as a rookie. I don't think it will take long for him to easily surpass Ibaka, though.

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I think a

I think a "back-to-the-basket, low-post game" is possibly the most overrated thing in the world for a big man to have. If a guy can catch, turn to face his man, and beat him to the basket and score in the paint, it accomplishes the exact same thing as a drop-step, up-and-under, or jump hook. It's points in the paint.

Anthony Davis actually has excellent touch on mid-range shots off the catch, so he should be able to get a good mix of pick-and-pop and pick-and-roll. I also think he can handle the ball and score in transition pretty well. Remember, he was a guard only like two years ago!

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"I think a

"I think a "back-to-the-basket, low-post game" is possibly the most overrated thing in the world for a big man to have. If a guy can catch, turn to face his man, and beat him to the basket and score in the paint, it accomplishes the exact same thing as a drop-step, up-and-under, or jump hook. It's points in the paint."

And Anthony Davis standing on the weak side block waiting for dump offs and lobs plays into this how exactly?

"Anthony Davis actually has excellent touch on mid-range shots off the catch, so he should be able to get a good mix of pick-and-pop and pick-and-roll. I also think he can handle the ball and score in transition pretty well."

He didn't have excellent touch on his mid-range shots, and he never displayed anything consistantly off the dribble that was worthy of praise.

"Remember, he was a guard only like two years ago!"

In high school. Jae Crowder was a point guard in high school too, and just like with Davis that has zero impact on what he will do as a pro.

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Oh yeah, having experience as

Oh yeah, having experience as a Division I recruit at 6-3 as a ball-handler and then having a seven-inch growth spurt will have no impact whatsoever on his ability to handle the basketball in space and his comfort level shooting perimeter shots. No, that'll have nothing to do with it. He'll just be a be Tyson Chandler all over again, just catching lobs and that's it, no ability to put the ball on the floor at all.

Give it a couple years. You'll see.

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Oh yeah, having experience as

Oh yeah, having experience as a Division I recruit at 6-3 as a ball-handler and then having a seven-inch growth spurt will have no impact whatsoever on his ability to handle the basketball in space and his comfort level shooting perimeter shots. No, that'll have nothing to do with it. He'll just be a be Tyson Chandler all over again, just catching lobs and that's it, no ability to put the ball on the floor at all.

Give it a couple years. You'll see.

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"Oh yeah, having experience

"Oh yeah, having experience as a Division I recruit at 6-3 as a ball-handler and then having a seven-inch growth spurt will have no impact whatsoever on his ability to handle the basketball in space and his comfort level shooting perimeter shots. No, that'll have nothing to do with it. He'll just be a be Tyson Chandler all over again, just catching lobs and that's it, no ability to put the ball on the floor at all.

Give it a couple years. You'll see."

If his high school life as a guard mattered, he wouldn't have missed jumpers at the rate he did or been largely nonexistent as a creator off the dribble at Kentucky. He can get better and he should get better because having the skills of a high school guard means absolutely nothing in the NBA, and I think Monty Williams is a good enough coach to get that point across.

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If I'm Monty Williams, I'm

If I'm Monty Williams, I'm pretty happy that when Anthony Davis secures a defensive rebounder and his outlet pass options are covered, I've got myself a big man who won't freeze, panic, and turn it over. He'll calmly dribble up the floor under control and hit a wing in stride, or dribble it past half court and find a guard to set up the offense.

I'm also pretty happy that I have a guy I can run down screens for who can knock down a 12-15 footer, or show his shot, put the ball on the floor, and yam the basketball down someone's teeth, which I am positive you will see on the highlight reels quite a bit over the next few years.

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Anthony Davis' guard skills

Anthony Davis' guard skills are so overrated. He had one D1 offer before his growth spurt, he wasn't this primetime guard prospect that he was claimed to be. Plus despite people saying his handle and shooting form are nice, they aren't huge strengths of his. His jump shot is average at best and his handle is solid, but not anything close to amazing.

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During his rookie year, I

During his rookie year, I suspect he'll score a lot of the same ways Tyson Chandler does. An occasional hook shot, wide open dunks and layups created by a defense collapsing on a driving wing player, off pick and roll alley oops and a couple free throws per game because he'll be an active player in the paint.

I do like the way he uses the glass on the baseline. That is a sign the player does have some shooting touch going forward with his development.

I really would be surprised if he averaged more than 11 ppg as a rookie. If he can get his mid range shot to a point where he's a good pick and pop option and refines his post game, then I think he could be a legit 2nd or 3rd option.

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The kid can hit a mid range

The kid can hit a mid range as well as handle better than he showed at UK. The reason he didn't show it much is the fact that he didn't need to show it much. He didn't take enough jumpers to get comfortable or get in a groove thats why his jump shot percentage wasn't that high. The kid has more offernsive game that us fans know. Coach cal has said it, the assistant coach's have said it, NBA scouts that watched him in practice have said it. The beauty of it is he knows he doesn't have to prove it. He does what he is best at and thats run the floor, catch lobs, follow ups, dump downs. He did show a very consistant jump hook from both hands and of course he will get better on offense as he starts to learn post moves and gets comfortable as a big man.

The same couple of people on here who doubted him are the same people who doubted UK saying they were too small or skinny or some other excuse as too why they would not win. Davis did have guard skills but it wasn't liek Chris paul guard skills it was possible SF guard like skills. It was blown wayyy out of proportion but it doesn't matter since he won't be expected to play guard int he NBA. He has enough handles to get past other bigs. Once again he didn't have to show that either because the system wasn't play one of one basketball.

As far as what he will average.

Kenith Faried put up 10ppg

Davis has a high motor and is more skilled while being longer and N.O not having as many scoring options as Denver. I can see Davis easily putting up 14ppg in year one. Like most big men rookies i can see his FG percentage not being the best and Davis will take many lumps going against the top bigs in the NBA but thats expected. He's not expected to come in and drop 20 from day one. He's expected to produce while getting better every year. He is going number one off of what he can bring right away but more so for what he will bring in the future

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Huge impact on offense, but

Huge impact on offense, but sort of subtle. Like B-ball fan says you have to account for him on offense. Like Tyson Chandler, he shoots high percentage shots. Not a ton, but not like two a game either. Those lops are going to be a major part of the offense. If he brings 12 points per game on 60% shoot that will be a big boost to any team, especially a bad one like NO. And this is quite likely exactly what he will do.

The other offensive stuff may take years to develop. He has decent form, but you could probably count on one hand the number of jumpers he hit from a range great than 10 feet in his college season.

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^^ exatcly. And the reson he

^^ exactly. And the reson he didn't hit more jumpers was the fact that thats not what the coach wanted him to do. Like T.Jones is able to hit more three's and jumpers than he did but Cal knew that wouldn't help his offense, instead he had him do what his major strengths are and thats closer to the basket

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