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A Call to order

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A Call to order

With the continued rise of Lebron James's stardom and his apparent inability to plateau his level of production, I think that we should give credit where credit is due. He is really one of a kind. That being said, I would like to not create pandemonium in the pub when I attempt to calm every one down about LBJ.

I am a Lebron fan and always will be, and I am super high on his odds of eclipsing the greatness of the careers of many players. Before anything I would just like to say that I believe he COULD be considered the GOAT when it is all said and done. Now.. the standard candle for greatness is Michael Jordan and it is a terrible burden to bare the pressure of matching a young superstar to MJ especially with today's media.

About MJ his NBA resume is:

6× NBA champion (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
6× NBA Finals MVP (1991–1993, 1996–1998)
5× NBA Most Valuable Player (1988, 1991–1992, 1996, 1998)
14× NBA All-Star (1985–1993, 1996–1998, 2002–2003)
3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988, 1996, 1998)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)
10× NBA scoring champion (1987–1993, 1996–1998)
3× NBA steals champion (1988, 1990, 1993)
10× All-NBA First Team (1987–1993, 1996–1998)
All-NBA Second Team (1985)
9× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1988–1993, 1996–1998)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1985)
2× NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (1987–1988)
NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team
#23 retired by Chicago Bulls and Miami Heat

Points 32,292 (30.1 ppg)
Rebounds 6,672 (6.2 rpg)
Assists 5,633 (5.3 apg)

Ofcourse it is unmatched and is leaps and bounds beyond any of today's players Lebron included. Although Lebron has the potential of catching up to that career wise I think you have to remember that Michael Jordan retired in his prime. Basically the prime of his would be nba career were spent playing baseball. Doing so, he missed what would've obviously been his: 2 scoring titles, and possible 2 championships and subsequentially 2 finals MVPs despite how good the rockets were. He could've also won an MVP in those 2 years and ofcourse would've been a 2x first team all nba, 2x defensive first team and 2xall star. Within those 2 years alone he could have tallied enough points to add to his career to surpase Kareem's record..

Realistically he could've had:
8× NBA champion (1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998)
8× NBA Finals MVP (1991–1993, 1994-1995, 1996–1998)
6× NBA Most Valuable Player (1988, 1991–1992, from 1994-1995, 1996, 1998)
16× NBA All-Star (1985–1998, 2002–2003)
3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988, 1996, 1998)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)
12× NBA scoring champion (1987–1993, 1996–1998)
4× NBA steals champion (1988, 1990, 1994, 1993)
12× All-NBA First Team (1987–1998)
All-NBA Second Team (1985)
11× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1988–1993, 1996–1998)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1985)
2× NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (1987–1988)
NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team
#23 retired by Chicago Bulls and Miami Heat

His overall career numbers would've been better too because they would have incorporated his prime stats. There is all these ifs that we have to ask ourselves, but then again the same can be said about lebron about how many more rings, mvps etc he would have had he had a team like MJs.

Just remember that Michael Jordan is considered the greatest of all time when he never played for the majority of his prime... Think 1) of how terrible it is to compare a guy like Lebron since his rookie year, KD, Derrick Rose, or god forbid Andrew Wiggins and the gang, to his airness. 2) What a privilege it is to be compared to MJ at such a young age, because it speaks volumes about potential...


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So..the majority of Michael

So..the majority of Michael Jordan's prime was two years?

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Good Post.

What's scary is that when you factor in playoff averages, MJ's stats get even better. MJ's playoff averages spike well above his regular season career averages. LBJ's and KD's numbers also improve slightly, but not nearly as much as MJ's. If I remember right Kobe's are almost identical (playoff vs. regular season), but I don't have the stats in front of me. Playoff stats of Wilt (also sometimes argued as the greatest ever) and many of the other all-time greats take a major dive compared to their regular season stats.

MJ was better than everyone else all the time, but he got substantially better when his team needed him to.

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I think that the whole

I think that the whole shortness of prime thing is cool but when you put it all together, the mvps, titles, all-nba, D-1st team, this that this that, it is even more impressive because the list goes on. Theres nothing he hasnt done.

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Something that I feel I have

Something that I feel I have to mention often when people (rightfully so) bestow so much praise on Michael Jordan is that he was the entire face of the NBA. He was a marketing tool that hasn't existed in basketball since and probably never will. The NBA has been as crooked as any other organization for some time and to think that the NBA didn't capitalize by giving their love child Michael Jordan ANYthing he wanted in terms of calls, exposure, fanfare, etc. is silly. MJ would not be quite as effective today because nobody today is as important to the NBA as he was then and you're kidding yourself if you think he wasn't protected to the nth degree.

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Biggest difference

Biggest difference between Lebron and Jordan is that Jordan didn't give a damn what others thought and people still loved him. Lebron cares too much about whats being written or said about him to ever achieve what Jordan did. There was a level of "comfort in ones own skin" that Jordan had then that Lebron just does not possess.

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In my opinion noone will ever

In my opinion noone will ever surpass Jordan.There might be a player out there right now who will be groomed and eventually be a better basketball player than MJ.But there will never ever be a better winner than MJ.He went to 6 NBA Finals and won all 6 of them...All 6.He came back to the NBA when he was 38-39?(the second time) and he would still put 20 ppg.Comparing their aberages Jordan could do pretty much what Lebron was doing...but Lebron is a beast of nature while MJ just seemed like a regular athletic shooting guard.

And to me this is where it comes down to:Even if Lebron ends up getting 7 rings Jordan will be the GOAT.To me Lebron lost the right to be called the GOAT when he joined the Heat.This isn't hate to Lebron or anything.He is the best player of his era hands down.But Jordan didn't earn his rings while playing in a team with the Wades and the Boshes or even the Allens of his era.He had two of the best defenders to ever play the game with him granted but he refused to lose to anyone.And he did it with his team the Bulls.This is the difference between the players of this era and the players of MJ s era.I don't think Barkley or Hakeem or Jordan or Bird or MJ would ever team up with each other.Their goal was to beat each other and if they ended up with no rings that's a risk they were willing to take.

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