Call me Crazy
I should know better than to post a NBA Trade Machine idea on here, because usually they end up in negative points, but I did have a good one that got me like +10 last time.
Chris Kaman, Carl Landry, Greivis Vazquez, 1st Round Draft pick
Rajon Rondo, Brandon Bass, Chris Wilcox, Avery Bradley, E'Twuan Moore
Why the Celtics do it:
I'm personally against the Celtics trading Rondo, but if they could get a first rounder and $22.5 million in expiring contracts, to go along with Garnett, Allen, O'Neal, roughly $40-45 million expiring deals, than they could be major players in both free agency and the draft. The Celtics would have Vazquez, Pierce, and JaJuan Johnson as their only three locked up players. Add three 1st rounders in a deep draft. Now add a ton of money to go hard after top free agents. If the Celtics want to rebuild, this is a dream trade.
Why the Hornets do it:
The Hornets aren't a very attractive team for potential buyers at this point. If the Hornets pulled this off, a backcourt of Gordon and Rondo would be intriguing. Along with Rondo the Hornets add Brandon Bass, who would be a nice chip until a new PF can come in (Davis, Sullinger, Moultrie, Robinson?) The Hornets future, and franchise value would both look better if this trade happened.
They give up their best player and get a 30 year old C, Landry, Vasquez and a mid-late 1st round pick at best. I wouldn't think of doing this if I'm Boston, especially since I'm throwing in more then just Rondo.
YOURE CRAZY. Nooooo way the Celtics give up THAT much for what they get in return.
You are crazy
It is a lot to give up, but at least their getting cap in return, and a draft pick. If they hold onto their current roster, they'll be stuck with Rondo and Pierce, and then a bunch of average to below-average players.
I don't thin the Celtics should trade Rondo, but if they do their obviously doing it to get younger. 3 first round picks would definitely help them rebuild faster.
Rondo, Bradley and Moore in the trade. Just curious who would play pg for the celtics Kaman?
If they make that trade they get older
I almost like this trade for the Celtics because of the assets cuseflynn10 said. Mult picks in a deep draft and money to go after free agents once a core team is established. The Celtics are going to have to rebuild and I personally would rather blow everything up, suck for a year or two get high draft picks, draft well, sign the right free agents with all the money they would have and in three years have a quality playoff team again as opposed to the other option which would be to keep Rondo, get picks in the mid teens, maybe a sign a good free agent or two but be stuck in mediocrity for years unless they get a huge steal in the draft.
With all of that said I think the Celtics can get better for Rondo but Cuseflynn10 has the right idea in blowing the whole team up and starting from scratch. Either way I would definitely keep Bradley he is a defensive stopper at PG and with so many good PGs in this league he is very valuable and could be the starting PG until Boston wither drafts or signs someone better.
But you're basically suggesting they rebuild...without any young talent. Pierce, Allen, Garnett and Kaman isn't a very young team. I was mistaken on the 1st round pick (confused myself), but I don't think it's enough.
This is more of a trade towards 2012-13 and forward, not an immediate, go for the gold right now deal. Kaman, Landry, Garnett, Allen, and O'Neal would all come off the books after this season. That is a ton of $ in expiring contracts.
For example, let's say the Hornets got the 14, 16, and 23 pick. That's 3 solid guys to build around, but the Celtics would also have $30-$40 million to spend as well.
If the Hornets stick with Rondo, Pierce and the 16 and 23 picks they would still have a solid team, but not as much money to work with.
C's give up way too much.
I know where you are going with this, but I don't see why the C's would ever trade Rondo, he is a superstar in his own right, and trading him for Kaman, Landry, and Vazquez just won't cut it. However, if the C's do want to rebuild I can see them aim for a guaranted top 5 pick + assets. Now if the Hornets do this trade during the draft with the first round picks being lottery or one in the lottery. I can see the C's doing a remodel of this trade, however until than the C's are still competing and will need their best player for the whole season.
they could get way more for Rondo than this...
Unless the Celtics get a star in return, Rondo is not going.
Actually, I think mental illness has nothing to do with it. A minor, abnormal case of foolishness or short-sightedness might be a more appropriate judgement.
Does the original poster know that Rondo is very good at playing basketball? I guess if you didn't know that, then this trade might make sense.
Picks after about the first eight players are not worth nearly as much as you seem to think they are. About half the guys drafted after the eight pick, but still in the first round are basically busts. They play until their guaranteed contracts are done and then they are out of the league or perhaps they filling bench spots at league minimum rates so the starters have someone to practice against.
Rondo is only getting traded for an All Star, period, end of story. It doesn't have to be someone who was an All Star this year, but it isn't going to be for Kaman and Carl Landry.
The Celtics are going to hope that Lebron sprains an ankle in the playoffs and that they can make another run somehow once their older guys are getting the type of rest you get in the playoffs but not in the regular season. They aren't gutting this team this year.
gives the Cs a ton of cap room, but who are they supposed to get? In a year with a top FA class, that would be great. Who are the top FAs this year, and why would they choose to go to a team with nothing but roster spots?
The thing about New Orleans getting Bass (who played at LSU) and Rajon Pierre Rondo ( cajun/creole name must be some family connection to Lousiana ) is great for them but what about the Celtics. New Orleans maybe could pull it off if they offer both first round picks unprotected ( theirs and Minny's). They would have to take Etwan Moore and Bradley who Danny Ainge seems to like a lot because of what he was as a prep player, Im guessing. As bad as this idea is if the C's move Pierce which wont happen, they would have crazy cap space. Garnet and Allen alone will take 29 million off the books.
without Chris Paul
If the Hornets pick is #1 overall then maybe it's not quite as bad, but right now Rondo is worth a lot more than a lottery pick.
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