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Caldwell-Pope or Shabazz to Minnesota?

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Caldwell-Pope or Shabazz to Minnesota?

The Timberwolves are one of the worst offensive teams in the league and will likely address the problem via draft.

Caldwell-Pope and Shabazz Muhammad are two of the best scorers in the draft (in terms of who will be available when Minnesota picks) and one of them could possibly be added this off-season.

Who is the better pick?

More on the situation here...: http://wizofawes.com/2013/06/18/nba-draft-2013-wiz-of-awes-mock-draft-mi...


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kcp

kevin love wants shooters. i think kcp is the better of the 2 in that department.

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How about CJ McCollum... and

How about CJ McCollum... and I read somewhere that they like Zeller

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The problem with CJ is height

The Wolves played Barea, Ridnour, and Shved at the 2 last year. It didn't work very well on the defensive end. Saunders has said that they need to find some size at the 2, along with the ability to hit the three ball. CJ is pretty small for a 2 guard, although he has a nice game on the offensive end, and can certainly hit the three. KCP has a lot more size, hits the three ball pretty well, and is a decent defender. I think KCP makes a lot more sense.

By all accounts, Zeller's workout went well. I think the Wolves would like another rotational big. I would think they would rather have a rim-protecting center, but I could see them pulling the trigger on Zeller.

My guess would be that the Wolves would put these players in this order, KCP, Zeller, CJ.

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Between the two, I think Pope

Between the two, I think Pope is the better option. At the least, he provides solid shooting that is always a premium. Shabazz, has the higher ceiling, but also the lower floor. But since you brought up Minnesota, Im thinking they should consider trading down with Atlanta or Utah. Pope is a very good fit, but I do not think other sgs are too far behind when you consider need. Snell, Hardaway Jr., Bullock, Crabbe, and Karasev all provide outside shooting, while the first three mentioned also provide solid defense. If Minnesota can grab a second first rounder from Atlanta or Utah, they can also grab another wing player since AK-47 isn't getting any younger. Adetokoubo, Snell, Franklin can all be had and make great sf prospects. With Adetokoubo falling, he would be a great pickup and allowed to play overseas for the year. Utah may be interested to move to #9 to grab McCulum, MCW, or even Burke if he falls rather than reach for Larkin at 14. Same for the Hawks if they really want a center out of this draft. Wolves can then reach at the end of round 1, and use their #26 pick on a backup center, ie Withey.

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Pope

He has the height and length MN needs and wants at the 2 (Sorry McCollum). He has a nice shot, and has quick hands and puts in the effort on defense. My only knock on him is he forces his shot some times, but he always had the green light in college since he was their offense. Shabazz is a solid scorer but he hasn't shown the defense. I really hope MN goes with KCP if those are the two they are considering.

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My only question about KCP

is court awareness. There were several times last season when he did really stupid stuff, like launch a contested three with 25 seconds left on the shot clock. There were at least two times when the shot clock was turned off, at the end of the half, and he shot a difficult three with at least 20 seconds left.

The guy is big enough, shoots well enough, rebounds, and plays defense well enough. But these brain-fart moments make you wonder where his head is at.

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KCP

It's easier to teach the mental aspects of the game such as when to hold for the last shot. I wouldn't worry about it too much, especially since he wouldn't be turned to for the last shot too often in Minnesota, especially early in his career.

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I vote Pope as well. I know

I vote Pope as well. I know everyone wants McCollum because Ricky is taller. But, last year when Ridnour was getting murdered on defense by shooting guards, they never switched Ricky over. I'm assuming they know something I don't. Bazz scares me a lot bit. Those secondary numbers beyond points and rebounds are ghastly. Pope will be green lighted with more open shots than he ever saw in college. I think the Wolves should try to get a vet, or swing a trade to move up, but standing still I like Pope.

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I don't know that EVERYONE likes McCollum.

In fact, I don't think I am seeing all that much love for CJ on Minnesota based websites. I think most realize exactly the point that you make, our small 2 guards are getting torched, and CJ is yet another small 2 guard.

I am also not seeing a lot of love for Shabazz. I know that Flip said all the right things after Shabazz' workout the other day, but I really doubt he would be the pick at 9........but maybe I could see it if they traded back out of the lottery.

I think it will come down to either a trade up for Oladipo, or perhaps even Porter, or else stay at 9 and take either Zeller, KCP, or maybe a big.

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Cody Zeller

I heard the T-Wolves were really high on Cody Zeller

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T-Wolves

If Zeller is available, I think the Timberwolves will take him for three reasons.

First, Zeller was once the top prospect in this draft class and has really improved his draft stock since the tournament. Scouts are saying he has added range on his jumper which means he could play a stretch four, or he could play center with his size. If he has added range, he is definitely one of the most intriguing prospects in this class and could be worthy of top 5 consideration.

Second, there are a ton of SGs that will be available at 26. They may have their choice of these players with their second 1st round pick: Sergey Karasev, Tony Snell, Allen Crabbe, Tim Hardaway Jr., Glen Rice Jr., Nate Wolters, Reggie Bullock, Jamaal Franklin, Ricky Ledo, Erick Green, James Ennis, and Archie Goodwin. That's 12 SGs, most of which will be available at 26. They could maybe trade down from 26 with Cleveland or OKC so they can add two of those shooting guards.

Third, Minnesota wants Oladipo, but they can't get him at #9. If they really want him, they'll go BPA in Zeller and try to package him for Oladipo. I'm thinking Charlotte or Phoenix will likely taking Oladipo, so both teams would likely be interested in Zeller+26 for Oladipo since both teams could use a big and the extra pick while Minnesota is really only missing a SG.

Though, if I had to guess who they'd take between KCP/Bazz/McCollum at #9, I think they'd go with KCP. He's one of the most underrated prospects in my eyes. He tested with some of the top speed at the combine, is regarded as a great defender, and he averaged 18.5 ppg, 7.1 rpg, and 1.8 apg on his way to winning SEC Player of the Year. Bazz offers a higher ceiling, but any potential distractions aren't worth the risk when KCP is available, and McCollum could be a good pickup, but he missed most of last seasons with a foot injury and doesn't offer the size Minnesota is looking for.

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IMO...Wolves wont take a

IMO...Wolves wont take a center at #9. If there's talk about Zeller or any center at #9, it was more then likely a smoke screen. They already have a good back up in Chris Johnson who was a great shot blocker last year. T'wolves needs are shooters, athletics, size, and dribblers at SG. Guard Alexey Shved will play back up PG this year is my guess.

I say they take KCP @9 and Snell or Hardaway Jr @26 with the 1st round picks, if their there.

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Chris Johnson

he had some highligh dunks and blocks, but I wiouldnot go as far as to say he was a good back up or a great shot blocker, he has a ways to go before that. There was a reason why Chris Johnson didn't see the floor that much, even with Love and Pek out.

Also, Zeller is more of a PF, it would be a interesting choice to take him unless its to trade him, or they are trading Derrick Williams.

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I don't have that much

I don't have that much confidence in Johnson. I think the Wolves could go Zeller, if they have an idea on a Vet sg that could be had. I don't think the Wolves would be confident with pick 26 as their starting shooting guard

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JaVale McGee = Chris Johnson

JaVale McGee = Chris Johnson to me... but less Shaq'n a fool high lights hahahaah. C.Johnson's not a bad back up though imo.

Yeah I fill Zeller's more of a pf also. but i don't think im ready to give up on D-Will just yet.

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