Bulls accomplished NOTHING!!!!!
I know I will get bashed but IDGAF! They accomplished nothing in this draft as far as attacking there #1 need which was a SG.
You have 2 picks in the 1st Round & you do not utilize 1 or both to trade up to get you a SG.........Some may say they were waiting for Marshon Brooks to fall in their laps, but hey he did not & then you pass on Tyler Honeycutt who would have been a pretty damn good pick up.
I just don't know what the thought process was with going away from the 2 spot.
Someone PLEASE shed some light on the process of not getting a SG.
If you're arguably one step away from piecing together a title team, you're not gonna get that piece late in the first round of a weak draft. You draft the best available player, or put yourself in a position to acquire a better player down the road through trades. J.R. Smith, Jason Richardson, Aaron Afflalo, Jamal Crawford and Nick Young are all free agents, and there are plenty of veteran SG's that would die to play for this Bulls team. They'll be fine.
A rookie point guard isn't the difference between Chicago winning and losing a NBA title?
I'm guessing they plan on getting a SG through a trade or free agency.
Hell they could have packaged some picks for Mayo! I'm very disappointed with the outcome of not getting their "guy"
Yeah I was pretty sure they would grab a SG somewhere in this draft. I thought they would take Marshon Brooks.
They probably plan on signing a SG in free agency. Afterall, the SG crop in free agency looks pretty good. Or they may trade for someone like Monta Ellis.
Who would they have gotten at SG that would've made a difference on them being a contender. You're talking about the 28 and 30th picks here.
The Grizzlies already said they were keeping Mayo.
It's a rookie shooting guard who would come in and probably do nothing to change the team. I wouldn't trust a Marshon Brooks, or a Tyler Honeycutt trying to play against a Dwyane Wade or Ray Allen in a playoff game? I would take Allen and Wade to be honest. Unless these guys are the next STARS, which I doubt, I think they planned for 2-4 years down the line.
They can get a SG in FA.
Teams shouldn't base their draft because of need. Whats the point on wasting a pick on a player who plays the position you need when you'll probably end up drafting a guy who doesn't even crack the rotation, and even if he does, he won't be as good as you need him to be. Where the Bulls were picking, there were no SG's who would earn a spot on a starting 5, especially on a team as good as the Bulls. Maybe they can trade for a proven NBA 2 guard, but a team has no business looking for starters with the 28th and 30th pick in any draft.
If they were going to trade for Monta they should have gave up both picks! They will have to give up someone like Deng or Noah & then some for Monta........Remember G.S. turned Memphis down for Mayo,Thabeet & Haddadi.
They could have joined the 3 team deal to snatch up Stephen Jackson since he was being shopped.
wait...didnt they get Malcolm Lee?
ugh...i blame this on Kahn
Once they saw Jordan Hamilton sliding that's when the trade talks should have come up with them......6'8'' SG! You get active!!!!!!!
Stephen Jackson, no thanks. No one knows if they tried to deal their picks or not. They got a solid defensive wing with an improving offensive game and great character. I wouldn't want them to rely on a rookie SG to play alongside Rose, and I am sure Rose wouldn't want that either. They need an experienced player to run with Rose, which they can get through free agency.
If Brooks becomes nothing more than a fringe all-star within 4-5 years, it would be better than picking up any free agent there is right now, which all of them are role player types. JR Smith is the only special talent, but he's unstable. I could name a few guys that changed franchises who were picked in the lower half or even second round. There's certainly not any free agent SGs that would make a difference in them being in the finals either. so that's not an exuse to take a player who fills a "need".. That argument is moot.
There is talk of the Suns buying out Vince Carter and I think that is the best direction for the Bulls to go if he's willing to sign there.
I'm not going to lie, when I saw Jordan Hamilton sliding.. and sliding.. and sliding, I really thought the Bulls were going to try to get him. I mean, a 6'8 SG/SF mix that can create his own shot and shoot pretty damn well? Plus the fact that he's long and strong would be great and gives him lots of potential on the defensive end. I'm really disappointed that the Bulls didn't target him or try to get after him. That would make their lineup very tall and give Rose lots of opportunities to kick it out to the perimeter. I can see Hamilton being like a much taller and stronger Jodie Meeks, I think he'll be a solid player, not a star or a great starter especially for Denver which is what I last heard he was headed, but I do think he will be a very good rotation player.
Well the Bulls did just draft a top 5-7 talent in this draft an stashed him overseas while they dont have to pay him an he can continue to get better. What SG in this draft do you want playing in a playoff game? I wouldnt want any, Bulls are doing what they should do, go get a veteren in either free agency or trade to come here. The Bulls did just finish with the best record in the NBA, have the best D in the league, good coach an a really great core of players.....someone will deff. want to start at the SG position for them.
offensive (3 pt shooting) sg left for Chi to draft. I thought Shelvin Mack was a perfect fit for them, they obviously thought more of Cole.
They drafted Cole but he gets traded a couple of times and winds up on the Heat.
If Cole turns out to be a good player then that trade could really bite the Bulls in the butt.
The Bulls have a few holes to fill (starting 2, backup point, backup 3, might need to trade Boozer), and they came away
with Jimmy Butler and some Euros who could come over in a few years. The Bulls have one superstar and
some glorified role players. A good team but they may be a few years away at best. That is what their draft is telling me.
The Heat, on the other hand, have two superstars and another all-star and have immediate needs at point guard and center.
They got a point guard and will look elsewhere for a center. They are in WIN NOW mode and got a guy who can help right away,
as opposed to the Bulls who might understand that they may still be 2 years away.
The Mavs came away with a solid vet in Rudy Fernandez who can replace Peja and really help them out next year.
The Thunder and Grizzlies got two "best available guys" and realize they are contenders for the next few years.
The Bulls might be thinking that they need to semi-rebuild and cannot make an immediate run with Boozer as their second option
and Korver as their primary scorer off the bench.
Hey Tyga, congrats on getting the big 3000 pts!!! lol seriously I gotta agree. The fact that they took no shooting gaurd in the draft was confusing to me(Hey Bulls fans, we Pistons got Ben Gordon and Rip Hamilton. Not to pry, but any chance of a deal we could work out?)
Bulls will go after Rip Hamilton,Vince Carter, Jr Smith, Jamal Crawford, Wilson Chandler, Micheal Redd, Marco Benelli, Nick Young in free agency. One of them will want to play in Chicago. Get a vet instead of a 19-20 year old kid to start on your team an thats how you get better.
This is two consecutive years where the Bulls really did nothing. Last year they had the 17th pick and traded it for a future 2nd rounder to Washington. I was praying they would draft James Anderson from Ok. St. because SG was a pressing need even going into the draft last year. Now this year a guy I really wanted them to snag was falling (Marshon Brooks) and all they had to do was give up 28 and 43 to grab him. Rather they take a SF European who won't be over for at least three or four years (Mirotic) and another SF who isn't a scoring threat and who doesn't really do anything very well (Butler).
I know neither Anderson or Brooks are saviors, but they both have potential to develop into legit scoring threats at the SG position. And that's exactly what the Bulls need. Why not take a chance on one of those guys? If you miss, so what? You aren't using a ton of resources to give one of those kids a look.
The bulls are fine. They will be better if they will get their starting SG from the free agency than the draft.
I rather have a free agent veteren playing in the playoffs instead of a rookie. Bulls are going to have another high pick coming here from the Bobcats, plus a deep draft next year. Maybe they band-aide the situation an grabbed their future SG next year.
Did someone above just say "If Marshon Brooks becomes nothing more than a fringe all-star."? Really, you think all these teams passed on him because they think he will only be a fringe all-star. The real question is if he can actually help an NBA team win games. I have no doubt he will stick in the league because he will score enough to stay around. But help you win games, we have to see.
I think the Bulls don't want to mess up their chemistry and they don't need a shoot whenever he gets the ball rookie disrupting their offense. They certainly don't want that type playing significant minutes with D Rose.
In free agency I trust.
i'm torn as to whether I agree or disagree with your assessment. yes they did not fill their biggest need. yes I was sitting in front of tv hoping Hamilton or Brooks would continue to slide. yes I was hoping they would trade up to get one of those 2 players.
otoh as many have mentioned a rookie #20 pick SG is not going to help in the playoffs. I think there are many questions surrounding the D of lack of D played by Brooks.
I hope that GarPax have a plan. IF they sign a FA or trade for a SG then all is well and I will say good job.
otoh Bulls fans have a right to question whether GarPax know what they are doing. They have not done anything that we could say is great to build this team. So the jury is still out as to whether they will be able to pull off a trade or sign a FA.
I was hoping they would draft a PF so they could trade Gibson for their SG but that didn't happen.
So I will sit and wait and see if they are able to pull it off.
If you are just going to look by the draft picks from Thursday night, there are maybe three teams who actually took anything more than a small step forward. Tyler Honeycutt and Marshon Brooks were not going to be any more likely to get minutes than Jimmy Butler.
I think the Bulls need a legit 2nd option (probably at 2 guard), a better power forward long-term than Boozer, a veteran backup point guard, and a better scorer off the bench than Kyle Korver (who is really their only perimeter threat off the bench).
They can't afford to throw drafts away. They need more pieces than some of their fans' think. Contenders like the Heat have 2 LEGIT stars and the best 3rd option in the league plus a bench that surprisingly held its own against the Bulls, the Thunder have 2 LEGIT stars plus a good third guy in Harden. The Grizzlies have two really good options in Z Bo and Rudy Gay plus good 3rd, 4th, and 5th options in Marc Gasol, Conley, and Mayo. The championship Mavs have the best offensive force in the league (and the league's best player) plus a VERY deep team with a lot of veteran leadership and secondary scoring threats (Jet is the best 6th man in the league.). Those teams had solid draft nights with the Mavs acquiring an upgrade over Peja and the other 3 getting the best player available. The Lakers still have Kobe and a long, talented front line and they made two good draft picks.
The Bulls have the superstar they need, but they don't have the LEGIT second option. Boozer is bad on defense and getting worse on offense (Bosh killed him), Deng is nice but more of a third guy. I like Noah a lot but he is not a primary offensive weapon. Bogans is ok, good on D, can hit a 3 or two but can't create his own offense. Their bench is overrated with Taj Gibson who I really like, Asik is pretty good, and Kyle Korver who didn't play well in the playoffs. Other than that they have average bench players who hustle. But, everybody hustles in the playoffs. They still need 3 pretty big pieces to become the league's number one contender.
One thing I loved about what the Bulls did, was that they got a lottery talent in Mirotic. Now, I know he wont be able to come over for a couple years, they got a great value who has the potential to contrubute down the line. If he comes over in 3 years, you still have a 25 years old Rose, a 29 year old Deng Watson and Noah, an aging Korver but probably still a guy that can knock down threes, and a 32 year old Booz that can hopfully still give them some good production, and a 28 year old Gibson. Now that team is not young, but not old. If Mirotic can even give them 14 and 6, this pick would be a great value.
"They can't afford to throw drafts away."
They didn't. Jimmy Butler isn't a bum. He is not going to play much for the Bulls next year (unless Deng gets hurt and they go scrambling), but there was no one in this draft at #28, #30, and #43 who would. They are going to be returning their top eleven players. The reality is that rookies don't displace guys who are in rotations on 62-win teams. Mirotic is going to play in Spain and keep developing. The likelihood is that he is just a stretch 4 shooter who is scared to go inside 15-feet in the NBA, but he is a good shooter so he will have value. Butler was taken to basically redshirt next year, and then take over for either Bogans or Brewer in 2012-13. It wasn't a wasted draft. It didn't make them better for 2011-12, but that option wasn't on the table. They protected themselves for 2013 and 2014 with this draft.
"One thing I loved about what the Bulls did, was that they got a lottery talent in Mirotic. Now, I know he wont be able to come over for a couple years, they got a great value who has the potential to contrubute down the line."
A lot of people made that same "lottery talent" statement about Rudy Fernandez, David Andersen, and JCN. Funny enough, nobody said that about Marc Gasol. If Mirotic doesn't turn into a dominant player in Spain over the next few years, don't expect "lottery talent" performances in the NBA. He will probably be more Ryan Anderson than Dirk, and so long as the expectations are for a guy and not a star that should be fine.
There are some attractive free agent shooting guards this summer..But i have a feeling they might get Micheal Redd,he'll be a steal if he's healthy..Jamaal Crawford is a better choice...He can create shots for himself and teammates and a great shooter...
Everyone say they should go after JR Smith,but he has trouble creating his own shot and might be a little too undisciplined for their coach......
Affalo is a backup...
Jason Richardson is overrated..
Nick Young might return to Washington..
Who knows they might get Fernandez from Dallas...
You took my statement out of context because you totally left out the other half of the sentence. I didn't say teams passed on him because they think he would just be a fringe all-star. In context to what I was saying, he could be a better in the long term as opposed to someone like Vince or whatever "win now" free agent, who'll get shut down and/or outplayed by Wade at least 3 or 4 games in a playoffs series anyway. How much damage would it have actually done for the bulls to draft the guy with their pick? It's a low risk, high reward pick. It's obvious they won't win any time soon with D. Rose being the only guy who can create a shot for himself, so why not take a chance on seeing how Brooks develops? They still can grab a FA who's starting caliber. Who said that Brooks would be a starter and win now piece anyway? It's obvious that he would be a project just like most non-lottery and second rounders are, and some of them turn out great.