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Bucks Off-season

What they did right ...

-They have stayed clear of bloated contracts this off-season, which was not easy with both Ellis and Jennings asking for close-to-max contracts.
-They got better shooters and more efficient scorers than their previous guards - Mayo, Neal, Knight
-They drafted Antetokounmpo (or whatever), who has big upside, and they got him at good value.
-They drafted Wolters, who might be the steal of the draft.
-They freed up minutes for Henson by releasing Gooden.
-They signed Pachulia, which moves Sanders off-ball on defense where he can use his strengths for large portions of the game.

I think their aversion to big contracts might signify that they are planning to sell and move to Seattle.

They have good assets on rookie contracts (Knight, Sanders, Henson, Ant, Wolters, Udoh) and solid NBA starters on really reasonable contracts per production (Mayo, Illyasova). They also have solid rotation players (Pachulia, Neal, Delfino, and Ridnour).

They don't have a playoff roster, but they do have a flexible, asset-filled roster for the future.

They might win the award for skinniest frontcourt if they play Henson, Sanders, and Ant at the same time. 650 pounds total?


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I think you're being generous

I think you're being generous with 650lbs lmao

The Bucks are looking to tank and start over. Obviously the rebuilding effort with Jennings/Bogut did not work out and now they are eyeing a top-5 pick in next years draft while giving young guys like Ant, Henson, Sanders, Udoh, and Knight playing time.

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No comment on them moving but...

I really like what the Bucks did this offseason, they uncomplicated the team chemistry with Monta and Jennings leaving. I love that they will have Mayo, Neal, and Knight in the backcourt. This young roster gives them multiple years to pile some talent through good draft picks while developing their current young talent. Good position for a rebuild, which is what they have needed since the Redd days.

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I don't think they'll be bad

I don't think they'll be bad enough for a top 5 pick, but I'd be surprised if they sneak into the playoffs again this year. They should be flirting with a top 10 pick unless some of these young guys put it together sooner than expected. As a Bucks fan, I don't mind this off-season at all honestly. A lot of fans hate what we've done, but I like the idea of adding a bunch of solid role players on decent contracts and taking a couple of chances on guys with some potential (Adetokunbo, Mayo, Knight, and even Middleton to an extent).

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I like their moves but all

I like their moves but all they have now is combo guards

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Love what the Bucks have done personally and I'm Jennings fan

Knight, Mayo and Neal can all shoot the ball well from deep(give Knight some time he will silence the haters) they along with Luke Ridnour will hold down the G spots nicely...

Love the lenght and rebounding abilty of their F's ...

Ilyasova is so under rated and John Henson should improve vastly, Sanders and Udoh are shot blocking nightmares and I am interested to see how Middleton will look in a starting lineup, he's under valued in my eyes...

Giannis will probally see a lot of D League minutes and who knows what he brings to this team when he's finally ready to get on an NBA court...

I Think they improved by letting Ellis and Reddick go, and they got back two nice young players back for Brandon Jennings...

They remain a team with some nice potential while staying close enough to the bottom of the standings to get a good pick in a deep draft class...

Wiggins, Parker or Smart would look amazing in this lineup IMO...Maybe them and my 76ers land the top 2 picks, Wiggins to the Bucks and Parker to the 76ers hahahahaha...

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Why are they bringing Giannis

Why are they bringing Giannis over this year?

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Luc Mbah a Moute left for

Luc Mbah a Moute left for Sacramento

Dunleavy went to Chicago

MIddleton helps, but they don't have much depth at SF.

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They aren't moving anytime

They aren't moving anytime soon... I think the moves they made have set them up to be a lottery team in hopes of getting a superstar talent... With that said I really like what they have done... I really like the Knight-Mayo backcourt... I think they will work well together... I think Middleton is a sleeper and will be productive for the Bucks... I also believe they are setup to make more moves... Possibly trading Ilyasova, Udoh or Ish Smith... I don't think they will be as bad as most people think...

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Drew

I also like the move of signing Larry Drew as coach. They have a good mix of young talent and veterans that should listen to Drew (somewhat iffy about Mayo) but overall, a group that I would pay to watch play. They still will not challenge in the East, but have good assets they can move and set themselves up for other moves or as mentioned earlier, a move to a different market. Don't think Herb Kohl is not thinking about that.

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I really hope we keep

I really hope we keep Ilyasova. I've heard rumors of them targeting Omer Asik and Terrence Jones in return for Ilyasova... just don't like that at all. Ilyasova is the kinda guy I like to target in trades: a young, under-appreciated very solid starter. Milwaukee most likely will not get a player of Ilyasova's caliber in return if they trade him.

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If they did get Asik for

If they did get Asik for Ersan, their interior defense would be top 5 in the league. Asik is a beast guarding the post, then you'd have Sanders and Henson coming from the weak side!

On the other hand, little to no scoring outside of the key!

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I don't think the Bucks had a

I don't think the Bucks had a notable off season. The most efficient move they made is admitting the failure of the Monta Ellis and Jennings experiment. No way you can say that Brandon Knight and Mayo are efficient scorers. Brandon Knight does not have a capable starting point guard game ...yet (he's only 21). He played over 30 minutes a game and only mustered 4 asst to almost 3 turnovers. But he had to share a back court with Rodney Stuckey. Mayo has never materialized as a starter he is a 6th man who needs the ball in his hand to be effective.

John Henson, Larry Sanders, and Adetoubo is the future. But Sanders and Henson can't play together and adetoubo is raww. After head scratching moves in the past few years (Gooden, J.J) its positive for Bucks fans to see the Bucks not handicap themselves with long term deals for players when have poor fits.

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No matter how skinny they

No matter how skinny they are, they have to be excited about Sanders and Henson.

Sanders almost hit a double double, finished as the league's 2nd best shot blocker, 1st in the league in block %, 6th in the league in defensive rating, and drastically cut hit fouls when compared to last season.

Henson just appears to be a player with a lot of promise. He's thin, but he still produces, even towards the end of last season he was putting up monster games and I feel has the ability to be a Serge Ibaka type player. Blocking shots on the weakside, rebounding, hitting a faceup jumper.

I think their makeup is obviously a lot different, but I feel they'll be a similar quality team, although, I think there are more teams that could flirt with 500% meaning they might not be in the playoffs. Jennings ran his course for the Bucks. He helped them get back in the playoffs a couple times, but he wasn't the guy to get them over the hump. Knight may not be either, but he's younger, still has a lot of potential, and I like the swap.

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who gives a buck?

i actually like what they have done, Jennings and Ellis were both overrated!

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I love their frontcourt.

I love their frontcourt. Sanders is turning into a dominant defender, Ilyasova had an up-and-down season last year, but he is a very effective player despite his inconsistency, and Henson is a nice prospect. They are going to have to improve their backcourt. Hopefully they get an upgrade at pg next season. Ridnour is solid, but best suited as a back-up, and Brandon Knight was even more inefficient last season than Brandon Jennings. Still, I like what they did in the offseason. They aren't going to contend in the next two years, but with some smart drafts, continued development from their young players, and a good free agent signing next year, they could build a nice team for the future.

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They have stayed clear of

They have stayed clear of bloated contracts this off-season, which was not easy with both Ellis and Jennings asking for close-to-max contracts.

Ellis and Jennings are each going to make around $8 million per year, which is not all that much more than they spent on O.J. Mayo, and not much more than the sum of Luke Ridnour and Brandon Knight.

-They got better shooters and more efficient scorers than their previous guards - Mayo, Neal, Knight

Luke Ridnour as well, but to be fair, all four are going to be cast in very different roles in Milwaukee than they have played before. They are changing the names of the perimeter players they are going to rely upon for scoring, but the demands that are going to be placed upon them are going to be the same. 46 percent of the Bucks shots came from Jennings, Ellis, or Dunleavy. If you add in Ilyasova (the only remaining player) it jumps to 57 percent. The surrounding players have not been upgraded to the point where the expectation of Mayo, Neal, Knight, and Ridnour won't also be required to combine for close to half the shots, and those aren't the kind of players a team should want to be given that burden.

-They drafted Antetokounmpo (or whatever), who has big upside, and they got him at good value.

They are going to carry a player on their roster who averaged 8 points per game on 36 percent shooting at a continental U20 tournament. Also more turnovers than assists, and the team finished 5th. The same player who was playing as just another player at an incredibly low level in Greece last year. Amadeo Della Valle was the MVP of the tournament, and he likely won't start for Ohio State this season. Marcus Erikkson averaged 17.7 points per game on 41 percent shooting and Barca is loaning him out for this season. The Bucks are elevating Giannis to the NBA, so how is that a good value paying NBA salary to a guy not at an NBA level in his development?

-They freed up minutes for Henson by releasing Gooden.

Milwaukee didn't play Drew Gooden last year. He played 151 minutes all season.

-They signed Pachulia, which moves Sanders off-ball on defense where he can use his strengths for large portions of the game.

The Bucks were near the bottom in the league in opponent's scoring in the paint last year, and got nothing offensively out of their shot blockers to compensate for that failure. Zaza Pachulia isn't changing that dynamic. He isn't starting over Ersan Ilyasova. Clearly Larry Drew must like Zaza enough to vouch for giving him three years and $16 million, but he is an expensive backup center. If the Bucks are trotting out Sanders and Pachulia together, good luck watching that offense.

They also gave away Mbah a Moute for a pair of second round picks, which given his salary was absurd. In a conference where they are going to face LeBron, Melo, Josh Smith, Paul George, Paul Pierce/Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay, etc. they seem to be willing to concede monster games to them by allowing their team to simply be overmatched. They have to, at least, bring in a body or two to be the guy(s) to step in. If a team wants to build something, they need to at least have a base level of functionality.

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Neither jennings nor ellis

Neither jennings nor ellis were going to sign with the Bucks for 8 million a year.

I forgot to mention the addition of Ridnour and the subtraction of Dunleavy and of MBouh a Moute. Ridnour will probably play some point guard, but he is in the twilight of his career. MBouh a Moute is a specialist, which makes him an asset to a rebuilding team, not a part of the rebuilding process. He was in the way of Sanders, Henson, and Illyasova.

There is no denying that Ant is not ready for the NBA, but he has big upside, which makes him an important part of a rebuilding team.

Pachulia and Sanders will play together some. The Bucks offense will be a lot of pick and rolls and not a lot of post ups. Pachulia can play a similar role defensively for Sanders that Perkins does for Ibaka. With Pachulia, Sanders doesn't have to take the punishment of NBA centers and can use his raw athleticism and defensive instincts off-ball.

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The Bucks are once again in

The Bucks are once again in no mans land. I still can't believe the gave away Tobias Harris for less than half a season of JJ Reddick who didn't play or resign anyway! This team is a mess. They need to tank this season. Keep Henson, Sanders, Knight, Antetokounmpo, and Sova and get rid of the rest of the crap they have. They have a few nice pieces but they are stuck in no mans land. They are going to continue to be a fringe playoff team that is at the end of the lottery or bounced in round 1. That is the worst possible position for an NBA team to be in.

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They aren't going to be a

They aren't going to be a fringe playoff team with this roster. The deals of Mbah a Moute and Jennings showed that they really want to take a step back. The only guy left to deal to leave no doubt is Ilyasova, but that would move them from watchably horrible (i.e. Orlando last year) to unwatchably horrible (Charlotte the past two years).

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For the most part I like

For the most part I like what the Bucks have done this off-season. They are very lucky that Monta declined the initial offer the Bucks gave him for like 12 million a year. I can't believe they offered him that much. They now have lots of solid pieces, with good priced contracts on top of that.

They might not have a top 10 pick in the draft next year, but there will still be quite of bit of talent on the board in the late-lottery/middle first round. That's one of the reason's I didn't mind them rolling the dice on the Alphabet this year

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Pretty much this, although I

Pretty much this, although I think they could sneak into the top 10. A lot depends on the development of Brandon Knight and John Henson IMO.

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The Bucks have let both Ellis

The Bucks have let both Ellis and Jennings leave who were not considered efficient scorers, they moved Mhah A Moute and Reddick to free up cap space. They have some young pieces and if they were not going to resign Jennings, getting Brandon Knight in return is a decent move.

However they have signed Mayo for virtually what Jennings is getting at Detroit so that is almost a neutral move although I have always felt Mayo perhaps had more upside.

The younger guys will get minutes this year and I don't see the Bucks being a play off team but they will not suck and should win around 35 games IMO.

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