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Brooklyn Nets

A couple years ago, the Nets were a young team with a bad record, tons of cap space and a lot of assets in draft picks. They used up all their flexibility and assets in getting Deron Williams, Joe Johnson and Gerald Wallace.

These players have helped in getting Brooklyn from the bottom of the East to having the 4th seed in the East this year (although that didn't help much against the very injured Bulls).

If they hadn't traded their draft picks, right now they would have a very nice looking young line-up with massive potential to be contenders in 2-3 years.

PG: Damian Lillard (6th pick that was traded to Portland)
SG: MarShon Brooks
SF: ????
PF: Derrick Favors (Traded to Utah for Deron Williams)
C : Brook Lopez / Enes Kanter (Drafted by Utah with the pick they got from the Nets)

My question for you guys is, do you think Brooklyn would've been better off keeping their flexibility and draft picks rather than signing the aforementioned guys who, although have helped the Nets become relevant again, will likely result in mediocrity much like Joe Johnson's Atlanta days.


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I absolutely think they

I absolutely think they should have developed their talent. The Nets have no financial flexibility whatsoever and are locked into having the same team for the next couple of years. To start with, this group never had potential to contend with the Heat. From here on out they're only going to get older and drop lower and lower in the standings. They built to be a playoff contender, not a championship contender. I'm disgusted that they just resigned Billy King to a new deal. I think he is one of the worst GM's in the league, and would lose his job quickly if he was working for a small market team that couldn't just spend more than everybody else. Next year D-Will, Joe Johnson, and Gerald Wallace are going to cost 50 mil. From there on their contracts get even more expensive. They are all signed through 2016, and like I said are only going to get worse each year. Had they developed their young guys, they would have all the guys listed above, which would be a very promising team. Since they had Lopez already, maybe they could have taken a guy like Klay Thompson instead of Kanter. Plus this group would leave so much cap space to fill other holes. I just don't get it.

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Looking back on the draft, of

Looking back on the draft, of course we can say if the nets kept their picks they could have gotten such and such. In reality, they probably would not have made the best use of the picks. We know if they kept the pick and picked who we know now look be best player at that slot, but they could have easily went in a different direction.

The fact is Brooklyn is relevent. Lopez is a beast, and Joe will continue to contribute at a nice level. Wallace is not done and dusted. He will still be able to play some good basketball, of course not great basketball though.

D-Will is D-will. He is one of my favourite players, I just love his style. If he can regain his form in utah it will improve this team so so much.

I just know if I am a nets fan, then I would want my team playing playoffs and contending at that 4th seed. If they went to the rebuilding mode, they would have a shot to have a team that is contending in the future, or they might have tanked when it came to the picks. This is a much risker option.

Favors may not pan out. I think next season is his most important season to date. With room opining up his minutes and role will increase, so if he doesn't make most use of it. doubt will really start to surround him

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Billy King stated few days

Billy King stated few days ago Nets will try to sign Bojan Bogdanovic this summer. They have his draft rights, but he still has one year left in contract with Fenerbahce

Not sure if his game translate to NBA (defense, ability to create, positition are his questionmarks), but if does he could end as very good pice. He finised as 3rd EL scorer and was best in TOP 16 scoring over 20pts with great shootin %

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Although the smart

Although the smart "basketball decision" would've been to stick with the prospects and picks and develop, the NBA is also a business. The Nets moving into a larger market by coming into New York as the Brooklyn Nets didn't want to start at the ground floor while re-introducing themselves to the world. They needed to add some notable players with star to power to plaster as the "faces of the franchise." And to be taken seriously in the New York on a larger scale, by this i mean developing a larger fan base by grabbing the attention of the more casual basketball fans, you have to win games, sell tickets, and give people something to talk about. The Nets were able to achieve a combination of all those things by taking the route they did. Unfortunately for them this gives them little to no wiggle room for improving the top half of their roster.

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Instead of Kanter they should

Instead of Kanter they should have drafted Leonard, if it was the Nets with the pick.

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I'd rather have Williams than

I'd rather have Williams than Kanter and Favors neither of whom have been very impressive thus far. I think Lopez and Williams would be a great two players to build around, unfortunately Humphries, Wallace, and Johnson are all masively underperforming on their huge contracts. If they had never acquired any of those guys they'd have last years 6th pick and plenty of flexibility to build a solid team.

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Derrick Favors per-36 14

Derrick Favors per-36
14 pts
11 rebs
2.5 blks

Enes Kanter per-36
17 pts
10 rebs
1.1 blks

You can say you favor DWill over these two, but to say they have been unimpressive is crazy talk. They've been roster-locked behind veterans in Utah and haven't been able to show their true potential.

To be honest I'd rather have a young bruiser front court than a declining DWill.

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I would take the 2 bigs over

I would take the 2 bigs over Deron... but the flaw in your per 36 stats is

Derrick Favours has 5 fouls per 36...That means he is only going to be able to play 25-28 minutes a night...

Enes Kanter turns the ball over 3.4 times per 36....

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Seeing as it takes 6 fouls to

Seeing as it takes 6 fouls to fouls out I think he will be ok. The point was to show their potential stats without being roster-locked in the front court.

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Your logic

Your logic is flawed, most Coaches aren't going to allow their best big man defender to stay on the court with say 2 fouls in the first, 4 fouls in the 3rd etc. etc... So have a look at some other big men who foul at that rate, they ALL play less then 30 mpg.

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You act like this is a flaw

You act like this is a flaw that is un-fixable. I'm sure as he takes on a starting role the organization would address his foul rate. Regardless, the point was just to show that with starters minutes he would be averaging double digits lol.

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Fix

It's definitely not easy to fix, for every 1 player that does, i could show you 5 that couldn't...

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This was purely hypothetical,

This was purely hypothetical, I don't understand why you're so intent on trying to prove me wrong. This was simply a perspective on the potential of Enes Kanter and Derrick Favors. Surely its not an easy thing to fix, but that doesn't mean its impossible.

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Favor's has been in the NBA

Favor's has been in the NBA three years and has never average double digit points, to me that's a concern. He has show a very slight improvement in his numbers the last few years. I think both these guys can be good, but Id rather have a franchise player. You can say Williams is declining but he was prob a top 10 maybe top 5 player in the NBA since January with how good he had been playing.

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He's playing behind Al

He's playing behind Al Jefferson. If he had starters mins he would have double digits - I thought I made that clear with the per36 breakdown lol. Williams did show great improvement after the all-star break, I'll give you that.

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Yeah but he'd foul out before

Yeah but he'd foul out before he got to play that many minute. Brooklyn already has Lopez I think Williams is better than having Favors and Kanter at that point.

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Your cherry picking the

Your cherry picking the selections with those draft choices. There is no guarantee that the Nets would have taken Lillard or Kanter. And Favors still only looks promising, he hasn't actually delivered yet.

The Joe Johnson contract is the only real problem. DWill once healthy after the rest he got at the All Star Break was fantastic. He was playing like a top ten guy in the league. Wallace had a tough season shooting the ball but still plays good defense and is still very athletic. $10 million for a starter who can play two positions is not a terrible contract.

But yes, this was a team that was designed to be good on day one but without much future. And it achieved being good with a 49 win season. Absent injuries, the team should make the playoffs year after year. It only takes some hot shooting one a few nights (see Nate Robinson) to turn a playoff ticket into a nice long run.

And they have some young prospects that might pan out if given more playing time.

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Gerald Wallace

I think he absolutely has to be seen as part of the problem with this team. He's in his 30s and has 3 years and 30 million remaining on his contract coming off one of his worst seasons as a pro. We can all hope that he goes back to his previous, all star numbers but that doesn't seem likely as he relied a lot on his athleticism for his numbers. He's not going to be improving from here on out, which is bad for your roster if he's your 4th option making 10 million a year.

That's the main problem with the Nets, as a lot of posters have mentioned, that their main players are more likely to digress than improve in the coming years, which will make this middle-of-the-pack team look worse in coming years.

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billy king traded the pick

billy king traded the pick for wallace,when he coulda just signed wallace as a free agent in the summer.thats why it makes 0 sense lol.so the nets coulda just brought a high draft pick along off the bench.i doubt they woulda took lillard,but it was still alot of talent available

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I also

Agree with some posters above about the fact that just because they had the draft picks doesn't mean they would have picked the players that are being named. For all we know they nite have gone a completely different direction by reading for other picks or players. DWill is also my favorite player and I love the fact that he's playing with other players who are talented and can get the team to the playoffs. But I have a problem with their payroll. They are simply paying guys too much and will not be able to build the team with the ridiculous money they are paying out. If they can somehow get rid of Gerald Wallace contract I would love that because he was a huge disappointment this year anyway. I may be 1 of the few who are glad pj carlesimo is gone but its more because of the lack of fire i saw in those guys in the playoffs. No way we should have lost that home game to the bulls but oh well

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LoL

The Nets, imo, are overrated... They think they're better than they actually are.. and that's no insult at all because they are that good on paper.. Joe Johnson, Deron Williams, Brook Lopez etc... But when you have Billy King pulling off idiotic moves on the go, that's when I think the organization is going in the wrong direction.. He is DEFINITELY one of the worst GM's the NBA has right now, if not, the worst (since David Kahn has already been replaced)... Are you kidding me about trading for Gerald Wallace and give up a top three protected lottery pick????? They could have gotten a nice pick with 6th overall instead of handing it to Portland... I get it that Gerald Wallace is a solid 3 that could play the 4 at times and can be the sort of all-around guy that they need but giving a top 8 pick is simply way too much... They signed Andray Blatche too which was stupid because despite the fact that he is talented, he's also a bone-headed dude that has a ball IQ of a pre-schooler. The result is a mediocre run in the playoffs...

Now they're going after the Zen Master trying to convince him for a coaching job with the Nets? Ha! I just think the Nets right now are way too ambitious...hahaha.. No way in hell Phil Jackson is coaching for them...

All I can say is get rid of that idiot named Billy King because he's the one causing all of this catastrophe..

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I totally agree I already

I totally agree I already heard Jackson has zero interest in coaching the nets. The main reason I am sure is they just extended one of the worst GMs in NBA history. Billy Kings first year as the Sixers GM they had the 8th overall pick. They selected Larry Hughes. The 9th and 10th players picked are NBA champions and hall of fame players Paul Pierce and Dirk Nowitzki. I would imagine Philly would have probably won a title with one of those 2 playing next to Allen Iverson.

He was never able to pull off any big trades. His best deal was probably getting Mutumbo for Theo Ratliff but even that wasn't a great move. The Sixers had a great coach and one star player but they were always another scorer away from being a legit title contender.

It is very difficult to get over the hump in the NBA. The balance of power is always with the teams with the stars. That doesn't mean that you should overspend to get borderline all star players like Joe Johnson and Gerald Wallace.

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