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  • #23719
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    OldSkoolBasketball
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    13 points and 2 rebounds in 39 minutes. I want my 7 foot center to grab rebounds.

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  • #452006
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    delfam
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    what makes it worse is it was against an under-sized Charlotte team.

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  • #452037
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    delfam
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    what makes it worse is it was against an under-sized Charlotte team.

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  • #452053
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    delfam
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    what makes it worse is it was against an under-sized Charlotte team.

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  • #452109
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    I can’t wait til a heathy Robin Lopez comes back and gets made double double because I am still stand by my words when i said I think Robin can be a better pro because Brook is who he is but Robin can be better if he can mentally be in and stay healthy.

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  • #452127
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    I can’t wait til a heathy Robin Lopez comes back and gets made double double because I am still stand by my words when i said I think Robin can be a better pro because Brook is who he is but Robin can be better if he can mentally be in and stay healthy.

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  • #452078
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    I can’t wait til a heathy Robin Lopez comes back and gets made double double because I am still stand by my words when i said I think Robin can be a better pro because Brook is who he is but Robin can be better if he can mentally be in and stay healthy.

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  • #452120
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    Thats why I’ve given up on Lopez and have decided to trade him from my fantasy team. And this happened one game after he got his first double double of the season. Such inconsistency makes me wanna cringe especially when last season he was averaged around 8-9 boards a game.

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  • #452139
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    Thats why I’ve given up on Lopez and have decided to trade him from my fantasy team. And this happened one game after he got his first double double of the season. Such inconsistency makes me wanna cringe especially when last season he was averaged around 8-9 boards a game.

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  • #452090
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    Thats why I’ve given up on Lopez and have decided to trade him from my fantasy team. And this happened one game after he got his first double double of the season. Such inconsistency makes me wanna cringe especially when last season he was averaged around 8-9 boards a game.

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  • #452104
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    Does he even care about rebounding, maybe the nets would win more games if he tried to rebound the ball once in a while.  Haha hes got like indian hops or something, cnat elevate to get them boards.

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  • #452135
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    Does he even care about rebounding, maybe the nets would win more games if he tried to rebound the ball once in a while.  Haha hes got like indian hops or something, cnat elevate to get them boards.

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  • #452154
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    Does he even care about rebounding, maybe the nets would win more games if he tried to rebound the ball once in a while.  Haha hes got like indian hops or something, cnat elevate to get them boards.

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  • #452113
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    Steroid
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    Inb4 bothteamsplayedhard… lol

    It shouldn’t have taken these types of performances on the boards for people to understand that this guy is a below average rebounder. He is a good scorer, but all his other skills are average-below average for a starting NBA center. It just so happens that he is such a good scorer for a center, people tend to overlook his other flaws.

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  • #452144
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    Inb4 bothteamsplayedhard… lol

    It shouldn’t have taken these types of performances on the boards for people to understand that this guy is a below average rebounder. He is a good scorer, but all his other skills are average-below average for a starting NBA center. It just so happens that he is such a good scorer for a center, people tend to overlook his other flaws.

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  • #452164
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    Steroid
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    Inb4 bothteamsplayedhard… lol

    It shouldn’t have taken these types of performances on the boards for people to understand that this guy is a below average rebounder. He is a good scorer, but all his other skills are average-below average for a starting NBA center. It just so happens that he is such a good scorer for a center, people tend to overlook his other flaws.

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  • #452140
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    knicks27
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    Boy oh boy where do I start with Brook Lopez, who was once overrated as a top 3 center in the NBA.

    Lets start with tonights atrocious 2 rebound game…

    what people fail to realize is the pathetic shooting + the extra overtime period created 110 REBOUNDS!! (to clarify, an average NBA game has about 85). So your starting 7 foot center who played for 40 minutes grabs TWO out of the 110 available rebounds.

    Concerned yet?

    How about I add on the fact that he faced one of the worst front courts in the NBA in Boris Diaw and Nazr Mohammed. You can also add the fact that he had ZERO defensive rebounds and managed to somehow muster up 2 offensive when his team is shooting 31% for the game.

     

    On top of all that this All Star caliber 7 footer has had ONE double double game in the first 20 this season. If thats not funny enough, turns out it took him 3OTs and 53 minutes to barely get it.

     

    Now you are thinking… this guy must be one of the worst rebounders in the NBA, but he has to be a good scorer at least right?

    WRONG… the man is shooting 44% from the floor this season which might be even more unacceptable for a 7 footer than the measely 6 boards a game.

    One of the most overrated players from last season has really been exposed. In the East alone I take Hibbert, Bogut, Noah, Howard, Horford before I even consider Brook Lopez. The guy off the hook last year for leading him team to a 12 win season because he got points while being the sole player capable of putting the ball in the basket and is now getting really exposed.

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  • #452171
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    knicks27
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    Boy oh boy where do I start with Brook Lopez, who was once overrated as a top 3 center in the NBA.

    Lets start with tonights atrocious 2 rebound game…

    what people fail to realize is the pathetic shooting + the extra overtime period created 110 REBOUNDS!! (to clarify, an average NBA game has about 85). So your starting 7 foot center who played for 40 minutes grabs TWO out of the 110 available rebounds.

    Concerned yet?

    How about I add on the fact that he faced one of the worst front courts in the NBA in Boris Diaw and Nazr Mohammed. You can also add the fact that he had ZERO defensive rebounds and managed to somehow muster up 2 offensive when his team is shooting 31% for the game.

     

    On top of all that this All Star caliber 7 footer has had ONE double double game in the first 20 this season. If thats not funny enough, turns out it took him 3OTs and 53 minutes to barely get it.

     

    Now you are thinking… this guy must be one of the worst rebounders in the NBA, but he has to be a good scorer at least right?

    WRONG… the man is shooting 44% from the floor this season which might be even more unacceptable for a 7 footer than the measely 6 boards a game.

    One of the most overrated players from last season has really been exposed. In the East alone I take Hibbert, Bogut, Noah, Howard, Horford before I even consider Brook Lopez. The guy off the hook last year for leading him team to a 12 win season because he got points while being the sole player capable of putting the ball in the basket and is now getting really exposed.

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  • #452191
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    knicks27
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    Boy oh boy where do I start with Brook Lopez, who was once overrated as a top 3 center in the NBA.

    Lets start with tonights atrocious 2 rebound game…

    what people fail to realize is the pathetic shooting + the extra overtime period created 110 REBOUNDS!! (to clarify, an average NBA game has about 85). So your starting 7 foot center who played for 40 minutes grabs TWO out of the 110 available rebounds.

    Concerned yet?

    How about I add on the fact that he faced one of the worst front courts in the NBA in Boris Diaw and Nazr Mohammed. You can also add the fact that he had ZERO defensive rebounds and managed to somehow muster up 2 offensive when his team is shooting 31% for the game.

     

    On top of all that this All Star caliber 7 footer has had ONE double double game in the first 20 this season. If thats not funny enough, turns out it took him 3OTs and 53 minutes to barely get it.

     

    Now you are thinking… this guy must be one of the worst rebounders in the NBA, but he has to be a good scorer at least right?

    WRONG… the man is shooting 44% from the floor this season which might be even more unacceptable for a 7 footer than the measely 6 boards a game.

    One of the most overrated players from last season has really been exposed. In the East alone I take Hibbert, Bogut, Noah, Howard, Horford before I even consider Brook Lopez. The guy off the hook last year for leading him team to a 12 win season because he got points while being the sole player capable of putting the ball in the basket and is now getting really exposed.

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  • #452235
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    "How about I add on the fact that he faced one of the worst front courts in the NBA in Boris Diaw and Nazr Mohammed. You can also add the fact that he had ZERO defensive rebounds and managed to somehow muster up 2 offensive when his team is shooting 31% for the game."

    Here is what you don’t want to do, blame a guy for not grabbing missed shots when he wasn’t in the game. He enters the game down 16 in the 4th, they come back to force OT. Do you want to blame his lack of rebounds for that comeback? Do you want to blame him for not rebounding in OT? He got the only offensive rebound for either team. You want him to try to steal rebounds from his teammates? So clearly what you want to claim is that the Bobcats won the game by running an unsuccessful tip drill in the 1st half that ended in a one point advantage? Oh wait…

    "In the East alone I take Hibbert, Bogut, Noah, Howard, Horford before I even consider Brook Lopez. The guy off the hook last year for leading him team to a 12 win season because he got points while being the sole player capable of putting the ball in the basket and is now getting really exposed."

    Last night, Roy Hibbert: 1 rebound? Where is the thread? Joakim Noah pulled down 0 rebounds against Orlando on Wednesday. Scandal!

    "I can’t wait til a heathy Robin Lopez comes back and gets made double double because I am still stand by my words when i said I think Robin can be a better pro because Brook is who he is but Robin can be better if he can mentally be in and stay healthy."

    I’ll take the center that a team can run an offense through and find the coach that will fill in the holes. I know I can find unskilled energy anywhere.

    By the way, if anyone was watching, last night was a great night in the "rebounding can be a deceiving stat" community. Minnesota outrebounds a sleepwalking San Antonio by 30 board in the first three quarters, and blows a 15 point 4th quarter lead. In Phoenix, the Suns were outrebounded by 10 boards to Indiana, but they got them when they matter in the 4th. Washington was killed on the glass by Portland despite Marcus Camby having all of 3, but they won because all those tip backs didn’t result in baskets.

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  • #452268
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    "How about I add on the fact that he faced one of the worst front courts in the NBA in Boris Diaw and Nazr Mohammed. You can also add the fact that he had ZERO defensive rebounds and managed to somehow muster up 2 offensive when his team is shooting 31% for the game."

    Here is what you don’t want to do, blame a guy for not grabbing missed shots when he wasn’t in the game. He enters the game down 16 in the 4th, they come back to force OT. Do you want to blame his lack of rebounds for that comeback? Do you want to blame him for not rebounding in OT? He got the only offensive rebound for either team. You want him to try to steal rebounds from his teammates? So clearly what you want to claim is that the Bobcats won the game by running an unsuccessful tip drill in the 1st half that ended in a one point advantage? Oh wait…

    "In the East alone I take Hibbert, Bogut, Noah, Howard, Horford before I even consider Brook Lopez. The guy off the hook last year for leading him team to a 12 win season because he got points while being the sole player capable of putting the ball in the basket and is now getting really exposed."

    Last night, Roy Hibbert: 1 rebound? Where is the thread? Joakim Noah pulled down 0 rebounds against Orlando on Wednesday. Scandal!

    "I can’t wait til a heathy Robin Lopez comes back and gets made double double because I am still stand by my words when i said I think Robin can be a better pro because Brook is who he is but Robin can be better if he can mentally be in and stay healthy."

    I’ll take the center that a team can run an offense through and find the coach that will fill in the holes. I know I can find unskilled energy anywhere.

    By the way, if anyone was watching, last night was a great night in the "rebounding can be a deceiving stat" community. Minnesota outrebounds a sleepwalking San Antonio by 30 board in the first three quarters, and blows a 15 point 4th quarter lead. In Phoenix, the Suns were outrebounded by 10 boards to Indiana, but they got them when they matter in the 4th. Washington was killed on the glass by Portland despite Marcus Camby having all of 3, but they won because all those tip backs didn’t result in baskets.

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  • #452288
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    "How about I add on the fact that he faced one of the worst front courts in the NBA in Boris Diaw and Nazr Mohammed. You can also add the fact that he had ZERO defensive rebounds and managed to somehow muster up 2 offensive when his team is shooting 31% for the game."

    Here is what you don’t want to do, blame a guy for not grabbing missed shots when he wasn’t in the game. He enters the game down 16 in the 4th, they come back to force OT. Do you want to blame his lack of rebounds for that comeback? Do you want to blame him for not rebounding in OT? He got the only offensive rebound for either team. You want him to try to steal rebounds from his teammates? So clearly what you want to claim is that the Bobcats won the game by running an unsuccessful tip drill in the 1st half that ended in a one point advantage? Oh wait…

    "In the East alone I take Hibbert, Bogut, Noah, Howard, Horford before I even consider Brook Lopez. The guy off the hook last year for leading him team to a 12 win season because he got points while being the sole player capable of putting the ball in the basket and is now getting really exposed."

    Last night, Roy Hibbert: 1 rebound? Where is the thread? Joakim Noah pulled down 0 rebounds against Orlando on Wednesday. Scandal!

    "I can’t wait til a heathy Robin Lopez comes back and gets made double double because I am still stand by my words when i said I think Robin can be a better pro because Brook is who he is but Robin can be better if he can mentally be in and stay healthy."

    I’ll take the center that a team can run an offense through and find the coach that will fill in the holes. I know I can find unskilled energy anywhere.

    By the way, if anyone was watching, last night was a great night in the "rebounding can be a deceiving stat" community. Minnesota outrebounds a sleepwalking San Antonio by 30 board in the first three quarters, and blows a 15 point 4th quarter lead. In Phoenix, the Suns were outrebounded by 10 boards to Indiana, but they got them when they matter in the 4th. Washington was killed on the glass by Portland despite Marcus Camby having all of 3, but they won because all those tip backs didn’t result in baskets.

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  • #452238
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    So how about this… A guy in my fantasy league offered me Lopez for Amare.. I declined and was offered Lopez and Charlie V for Amare and Austin Daye… I declined and countered wth the same trade but I would get Toney Douglas..

    So final trade offer was this:

    Me getting:
    Lopez, Charlie V, and Toney Douglas

    For:

    Amare and Daye…

     

    I am soo happy that he declined… LOL!

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  • #452271
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    The8thDeadlySin
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    So how about this… A guy in my fantasy league offered me Lopez for Amare.. I declined and was offered Lopez and Charlie V for Amare and Austin Daye… I declined and countered wth the same trade but I would get Toney Douglas..

    So final trade offer was this:

    Me getting:
    Lopez, Charlie V, and Toney Douglas

    For:

    Amare and Daye…

     

    I am soo happy that he declined… LOL!

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  • #452291
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    The8thDeadlySin
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    So how about this… A guy in my fantasy league offered me Lopez for Amare.. I declined and was offered Lopez and Charlie V for Amare and Austin Daye… I declined and countered wth the same trade but I would get Toney Douglas..

    So final trade offer was this:

    Me getting:
    Lopez, Charlie V, and Toney Douglas

    For:

    Amare and Daye…

     

    I am soo happy that he declined… LOL!

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  • #452254
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     Why even give up Amare? Lopez is playing just horribly, and has officially hit rock bottom. But the worst thing is, I don’t think he’ll be doing any better then 20 points and 6 boards a game. Pretty pathetic when he averaged that same total last year but got about 9 boards along with the 20 points. Amare is playing much better than Lopez and Charlie V. is playing pathetic as well. Better than last year, but still not enough to take the place of Amare. And then Douglas is just a bench warmer and will always be a bench warmer especially while Felton is playing terrific ball. Bad trade.

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  • #452289
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     Why even give up Amare? Lopez is playing just horribly, and has officially hit rock bottom. But the worst thing is, I don’t think he’ll be doing any better then 20 points and 6 boards a game. Pretty pathetic when he averaged that same total last year but got about 9 boards along with the 20 points. Amare is playing much better than Lopez and Charlie V. is playing pathetic as well. Better than last year, but still not enough to take the place of Amare. And then Douglas is just a bench warmer and will always be a bench warmer especially while Felton is playing terrific ball. Bad trade.

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  • #452309
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     Why even give up Amare? Lopez is playing just horribly, and has officially hit rock bottom. But the worst thing is, I don’t think he’ll be doing any better then 20 points and 6 boards a game. Pretty pathetic when he averaged that same total last year but got about 9 boards along with the 20 points. Amare is playing much better than Lopez and Charlie V. is playing pathetic as well. Better than last year, but still not enough to take the place of Amare. And then Douglas is just a bench warmer and will always be a bench warmer especially while Felton is playing terrific ball. Bad trade.

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  • #452263
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    I am the one that declined and I did not want to give up Toney Douglas because once he gets healthy he gives you points, steals, and 3’s.  I would be basically giving you 3 good players for one.  If I made that deal I would be stupid. I am actually doing good in fantasy league since my first week where i did not know anything.  I have Brook and I was savy enough to take Humpries.  Humpries rebounding makes up for Brook lack of rebounding.  I use Brook for scoring.  Lopez has had some good scoring game but yeah he has look terrible as of late.  Douglas was averaging close 16 with 2 3’s and 2 steal before his back starting acting up and he gets 20 plus minutes most games.  I would have made the move if I was desperate but right now I am up 8-1 and if not for Brook’s poor shooting I could be 9-0.

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  • #452299
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    I am the one that declined and I did not want to give up Toney Douglas because once he gets healthy he gives you points, steals, and 3’s.  I would be basically giving you 3 good players for one.  If I made that deal I would be stupid. I am actually doing good in fantasy league since my first week where i did not know anything.  I have Brook and I was savy enough to take Humpries.  Humpries rebounding makes up for Brook lack of rebounding.  I use Brook for scoring.  Lopez has had some good scoring game but yeah he has look terrible as of late.  Douglas was averaging close 16 with 2 3’s and 2 steal before his back starting acting up and he gets 20 plus minutes most games.  I would have made the move if I was desperate but right now I am up 8-1 and if not for Brook’s poor shooting I could be 9-0.

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  • #452320
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    I am the one that declined and I did not want to give up Toney Douglas because once he gets healthy he gives you points, steals, and 3’s.  I would be basically giving you 3 good players for one.  If I made that deal I would be stupid. I am actually doing good in fantasy league since my first week where i did not know anything.  I have Brook and I was savy enough to take Humpries.  Humpries rebounding makes up for Brook lack of rebounding.  I use Brook for scoring.  Lopez has had some good scoring game but yeah he has look terrible as of late.  Douglas was averaging close 16 with 2 3’s and 2 steal before his back starting acting up and he gets 20 plus minutes most games.  I would have made the move if I was desperate but right now I am up 8-1 and if not for Brook’s poor shooting I could be 9-0.

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  • #452266
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    sheltwon3
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    I correct that I am currently 7-2 and hopefully I can get that other one back if my players can make their 3’s

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  • #452302
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    sheltwon3
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    I correct that I am currently 7-2 and hopefully I can get that other one back if my players can make their 3’s

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  • #452323
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    sheltwon3
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    I correct that I am currently 7-2 and hopefully I can get that other one back if my players can make their 3’s

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  • #452372
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    knicks27
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    I see what you did there Bothteamsplayedhard… Hibbert played 18 minutes, Lopez played 40 in a game where both teams shots 30 percent. There was 150% available rebounds last nigt compared to an average game. Hibbert also averages 9 rebounds per game in less minutes and is a consistent double double threat. If you think that your starting 7 footer having 1 double double game a quarter of the season in (and it took 3 OTs!!!!) is not incredibly pathetic then I don’t think we have much to talk about. On top of that the 43.8% shooting percentage is the worst in the league for a center getting consistent minutes.

    Please explain to me what the guy has done good other than be tall? What does he contibute to the game AS A CENTER? He isn’t a dominating force in the paint on either side of the court in fact he is very far from it. He is a solid jump shooter in a 7 footer’s body, but doesn’t even have jump shooter range. It’s no surprise the Nets stink with him as their "cornerstone" because he fakes everybody into overhyping him because he is tall. I’d rather have 6-7 Chuck Hayes defending the paint.

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  • #452313
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    I see what you did there Bothteamsplayedhard… Hibbert played 18 minutes, Lopez played 40 in a game where both teams shots 30 percent. There was 150% available rebounds last nigt compared to an average game. Hibbert also averages 9 rebounds per game in less minutes and is a consistent double double threat. If you think that your starting 7 footer having 1 double double game a quarter of the season in (and it took 3 OTs!!!!) is not incredibly pathetic then I don’t think we have much to talk about. On top of that the 43.8% shooting percentage is the worst in the league for a center getting consistent minutes.

    Please explain to me what the guy has done good other than be tall? What does he contibute to the game AS A CENTER? He isn’t a dominating force in the paint on either side of the court in fact he is very far from it. He is a solid jump shooter in a 7 footer’s body, but doesn’t even have jump shooter range. It’s no surprise the Nets stink with him as their "cornerstone" because he fakes everybody into overhyping him because he is tall. I’d rather have 6-7 Chuck Hayes defending the paint.

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  • #452349
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    knicks27
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    I see what you did there Bothteamsplayedhard… Hibbert played 18 minutes, Lopez played 40 in a game where both teams shots 30 percent. There was 150% available rebounds last nigt compared to an average game. Hibbert also averages 9 rebounds per game in less minutes and is a consistent double double threat. If you think that your starting 7 footer having 1 double double game a quarter of the season in (and it took 3 OTs!!!!) is not incredibly pathetic then I don’t think we have much to talk about. On top of that the 43.8% shooting percentage is the worst in the league for a center getting consistent minutes.

    Please explain to me what the guy has done good other than be tall? What does he contibute to the game AS A CENTER? He isn’t a dominating force in the paint on either side of the court in fact he is very far from it. He is a solid jump shooter in a 7 footer’s body, but doesn’t even have jump shooter range. It’s no surprise the Nets stink with him as their "cornerstone" because he fakes everybody into overhyping him because he is tall. I’d rather have 6-7 Chuck Hayes defending the paint.

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  • #452373
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    Steroid
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    Why do you defend Brook Lopez so much, Bothteamsplayedhard, then in other threads you blame other guys (Blake Griffin) for their team not having any success because they aren’t’ good enough, and that their numbers don’t matter at all when they are losing, but yet you defend Lopez who puts up bad numbers on a bad team?

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  • #452396
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    Why do you defend Brook Lopez so much, Bothteamsplayedhard, then in other threads you blame other guys (Blake Griffin) for their team not having any success because they aren’t’ good enough, and that their numbers don’t matter at all when they are losing, but yet you defend Lopez who puts up bad numbers on a bad team?

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  • #452335
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    Why do you defend Brook Lopez so much, Bothteamsplayedhard, then in other threads you blame other guys (Blake Griffin) for their team not having any success because they aren’t’ good enough, and that their numbers don’t matter at all when they are losing, but yet you defend Lopez who puts up bad numbers on a bad team?

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  • #452377
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    QUINCEY HODGES1

    Robin is who he is. He is a energy guy. He doesn’t have good hands and he’s showing you who he really is without Amare there to take the defense away from him.  He NEEDS Amare or a good big man to give him more open looks because he can’t do much when he has no other big taking the defenses attention from him

     

    No matter how u cut it Brook Lopez is a bad rebounding center. Actually the second worst starting center re bounder in the league and that wouldn’t be so bad if his team was a great rebounding team but they get out rebounded by there opponents and are 21st in the league in that department. There’s no excuses for his bad rebounding

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  • #452415
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    QUINCEY HODGES1

    Robin is who he is. He is a energy guy. He doesn’t have good hands and he’s showing you who he really is without Amare there to take the defense away from him.  He NEEDS Amare or a good big man to give him more open looks because he can’t do much when he has no other big taking the defenses attention from him

     

    No matter how u cut it Brook Lopez is a bad rebounding center. Actually the second worst starting center re bounder in the league and that wouldn’t be so bad if his team was a great rebounding team but they get out rebounded by there opponents and are 21st in the league in that department. There’s no excuses for his bad rebounding

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  • #452438
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    QUINCEY HODGES1

    Robin is who he is. He is a energy guy. He doesn’t have good hands and he’s showing you who he really is without Amare there to take the defense away from him.  He NEEDS Amare or a good big man to give him more open looks because he can’t do much when he has no other big taking the defenses attention from him

     

    No matter how u cut it Brook Lopez is a bad rebounding center. Actually the second worst starting center re bounder in the league and that wouldn’t be so bad if his team was a great rebounding team but they get out rebounded by there opponents and are 21st in the league in that department. There’s no excuses for his bad rebounding

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  • #452380
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    QUINCEY HODGES1

    I’m guuessing no one mentioned Hibbert because he is giving you 9 rebound’s a night

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  • #452418
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    QUINCEY HODGES1

    I’m guuessing no one mentioned Hibbert because he is giving you 9 rebound’s a night

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  • #452441
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    QUINCEY HODGES1

    I’m guuessing no one mentioned Hibbert because he is giving you 9 rebound’s a night

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  • #452455
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    "Why do you defend Brook Lopez so much, Bothteamsplayedhard, then in other threads you blame other guys (Blake Griffin) for their team not having any success because they aren’t’ good enough, and that their numbers don’t matter at all when they are losing, but yet you defend Lopez who puts up bad numbers on a bad team?"

    Nobody is making an argument for Brook Lopez being an All-Star right now. I think both Griffin and Lopez are good young big men, but neither are all-stars at this point in their careers. In the East, the best two centers are Dwight Howard and Al Horford. Behind them are Andrew Bogut (when he is healthy, though that is rare) and Joakim Noah (who is the best of the unskilled bunch). If someone wants to be foolish and say that Brook Lopez isn’t as good as his brother or that he isn’t as good as Roy Hibbert, that is a different story.

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    "Why do you defend Brook Lopez so much, Bothteamsplayedhard, then in other threads you blame other guys (Blake Griffin) for their team not having any success because they aren’t’ good enough, and that their numbers don’t matter at all when they are losing, but yet you defend Lopez who puts up bad numbers on a bad team?"

    Nobody is making an argument for Brook Lopez being an All-Star right now. I think both Griffin and Lopez are good young big men, but neither are all-stars at this point in their careers. In the East, the best two centers are Dwight Howard and Al Horford. Behind them are Andrew Bogut (when he is healthy, though that is rare) and Joakim Noah (who is the best of the unskilled bunch). If someone wants to be foolish and say that Brook Lopez isn’t as good as his brother or that he isn’t as good as Roy Hibbert, that is a different story.

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    "Why do you defend Brook Lopez so much, Bothteamsplayedhard, then in other threads you blame other guys (Blake Griffin) for their team not having any success because they aren’t’ good enough, and that their numbers don’t matter at all when they are losing, but yet you defend Lopez who puts up bad numbers on a bad team?"

    Nobody is making an argument for Brook Lopez being an All-Star right now. I think both Griffin and Lopez are good young big men, but neither are all-stars at this point in their careers. In the East, the best two centers are Dwight Howard and Al Horford. Behind them are Andrew Bogut (when he is healthy, though that is rare) and Joakim Noah (who is the best of the unskilled bunch). If someone wants to be foolish and say that Brook Lopez isn’t as good as his brother or that he isn’t as good as Roy Hibbert, that is a different story.

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    Why is bogut ahead of Hibbert right now so far into the season? The bucks aren’t a winning team right now.

     

    What makes a player good or not so good. Some say team record so i wonder was Kobe or Gasol not that good when they were on teams that didn’t make the playoffs?

    David lee was a allstar last year when the Knicks weren’t good

    The heat were a playoff team last year with Beasley playing well and now that hes playing even better he’s not that good to some because he’s n a losing team.

     

    I’m just tryna understand whats the criteria so knowing how good a player is because the rules dont seem to apply to every one all the time

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    Why is bogut ahead of Hibbert right now so far into the season? The bucks aren’t a winning team right now.

     

    What makes a player good or not so good. Some say team record so i wonder was Kobe or Gasol not that good when they were on teams that didn’t make the playoffs?

    David lee was a allstar last year when the Knicks weren’t good

    The heat were a playoff team last year with Beasley playing well and now that hes playing even better he’s not that good to some because he’s n a losing team.

     

    I’m just tryna understand whats the criteria so knowing how good a player is because the rules dont seem to apply to every one all the time

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    QUINCEY HODGES1

    Why is bogut ahead of Hibbert right now so far into the season? The bucks aren’t a winning team right now.

     

    What makes a player good or not so good. Some say team record so i wonder was Kobe or Gasol not that good when they were on teams that didn’t make the playoffs?

    David lee was a allstar last year when the Knicks weren’t good

    The heat were a playoff team last year with Beasley playing well and now that hes playing even better he’s not that good to some because he’s n a losing team.

     

    I’m just tryna understand whats the criteria so knowing how good a player is because the rules dont seem to apply to every one all the time

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    Bogut has been hurt all year, that doesn’t change the fact that he is one of the best centers in the league when he is healthy. He tried to give it a go early on, and he wasn’t ready.

    I made my point on David Lee more than enough times. New York got him a lot of praise and a big contract from Golden State. It doesn’t make him a star, though when compared to Anthony Randolph…

    Also, Beasley is still very much a work in progress. He is playing "better" because he gets to be a primary option in Minnesota, and that is where he is comfortable. He still isn’t a good defensive player, and his awareness isn’t great either. He dribbles himself into trouble a lot. That isn’t to say he is untalented, but where he is now in his development is not where he needs to be in order to play winning basketball.

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    Bogut has been hurt all year, that doesn’t change the fact that he is one of the best centers in the league when he is healthy. He tried to give it a go early on, and he wasn’t ready.

    I made my point on David Lee more than enough times. New York got him a lot of praise and a big contract from Golden State. It doesn’t make him a star, though when compared to Anthony Randolph…

    Also, Beasley is still very much a work in progress. He is playing "better" because he gets to be a primary option in Minnesota, and that is where he is comfortable. He still isn’t a good defensive player, and his awareness isn’t great either. He dribbles himself into trouble a lot. That isn’t to say he is untalented, but where he is now in his development is not where he needs to be in order to play winning basketball.

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    Bogut has been hurt all year, that doesn’t change the fact that he is one of the best centers in the league when he is healthy. He tried to give it a go early on, and he wasn’t ready.

    I made my point on David Lee more than enough times. New York got him a lot of praise and a big contract from Golden State. It doesn’t make him a star, though when compared to Anthony Randolph…

    Also, Beasley is still very much a work in progress. He is playing "better" because he gets to be a primary option in Minnesota, and that is where he is comfortable. He still isn’t a good defensive player, and his awareness isn’t great either. He dribbles himself into trouble a lot. That isn’t to say he is untalented, but where he is now in his development is not where he needs to be in order to play winning basketball.

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    So what makes Beasley a bad defensive player exactly?..His doesn’t let his man score above there average or shoot a outstanding percentage if I’m not mistaken. Beasley is a work in progress but he’s also a very good player as well as Blake, Love. There records have nothing to do with how good they are as Individual players. All that says is the guys around them aren’t that good just like a mid major team that isn’t that good but has a Future NBA player on there team

     

    There can be points made on both sides. you can say someone isn’t that good because they are putting up numbers on a bad team but someone can also say that’s harder because defenses are geared to try to stop that guy where as another player on a good team doesn’t face as much defense because they have other good players to take the pressure off of them. It also easier to score or rebound when you have two other stars on your team as well as very good role players then it is when you are the only good scorer or re bounder with a bunch of OK to bad role players on your team

     

    There doesn’t seem to be a exact science to how good a player is if he’s on a bad team

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    So what makes Beasley a bad defensive player exactly?..His doesn’t let his man score above there average or shoot a outstanding percentage if I’m not mistaken. Beasley is a work in progress but he’s also a very good player as well as Blake, Love. There records have nothing to do with how good they are as Individual players. All that says is the guys around them aren’t that good just like a mid major team that isn’t that good but has a Future NBA player on there team

     

    There can be points made on both sides. you can say someone isn’t that good because they are putting up numbers on a bad team but someone can also say that’s harder because defenses are geared to try to stop that guy where as another player on a good team doesn’t face as much defense because they have other good players to take the pressure off of them. It also easier to score or rebound when you have two other stars on your team as well as very good role players then it is when you are the only good scorer or re bounder with a bunch of OK to bad role players on your team

     

    There doesn’t seem to be a exact science to how good a player is if he’s on a bad team

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    QUINCEY HODGES1

    So what makes Beasley a bad defensive player exactly?..His doesn’t let his man score above there average or shoot a outstanding percentage if I’m not mistaken. Beasley is a work in progress but he’s also a very good player as well as Blake, Love. There records have nothing to do with how good they are as Individual players. All that says is the guys around them aren’t that good just like a mid major team that isn’t that good but has a Future NBA player on there team

     

    There can be points made on both sides. you can say someone isn’t that good because they are putting up numbers on a bad team but someone can also say that’s harder because defenses are geared to try to stop that guy where as another player on a good team doesn’t face as much defense because they have other good players to take the pressure off of them. It also easier to score or rebound when you have two other stars on your team as well as very good role players then it is when you are the only good scorer or re bounder with a bunch of OK to bad role players on your team

     

    There doesn’t seem to be a exact science to how good a player is if he’s on a bad team

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    I wish that 4th quarter of yesterday’s SA-Min was on youtube. To see that is to know exactly why I think the way I do about Minnesota. San Antonio put forth one quarter of effort and overcame a 15 point deficit and won by 6. It was Beasley getting beat on a back cut in the final minute, it was the turnovers, it was Love and Darko not moving their feet defensively to help with dribble penetration, and it was not having anyone who could be the focal point with which to initiate the offense when a good team is trying to stop them and not consistently bad results.

    They are a bad team that doesn’t know how to play. The development of Love was made worse when ESPN and the media in Minnesota got on Kurt Rambis for benching him when he deserved to be benched for not playing defense. That is what good coaches do. Guess what Kevin, I can find a D-League vet from Creighton who can give us a better chance of winning because we might actually get a stop. It works. Doc Rivers got Big Baby Davis to move his feet and be a part of a defensive scheme. Flip Saunders isn’t a great coach IMO, but he’ll bench JaVale McGee for being a dog on that end. Avery will go out and play Kris Humphries. A team doesn’t need five lockdown defenders to be a good team defensively. Dallas is a really good defensive team and they do so with Dirk, Jason Kidd, Jason Terry, and J.J. Barea playing big minutes. Utah found a way to get Al Jefferson to work on that end. So, why is it that people are so defensive about criticizing a losing team and a losing team’s players for being losing dogs that only play (and not particularly efficiently) on one end?

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    I wish that 4th quarter of yesterday’s SA-Min was on youtube. To see that is to know exactly why I think the way I do about Minnesota. San Antonio put forth one quarter of effort and overcame a 15 point deficit and won by 6. It was Beasley getting beat on a back cut in the final minute, it was the turnovers, it was Love and Darko not moving their feet defensively to help with dribble penetration, and it was not having anyone who could be the focal point with which to initiate the offense when a good team is trying to stop them and not consistently bad results.

    They are a bad team that doesn’t know how to play. The development of Love was made worse when ESPN and the media in Minnesota got on Kurt Rambis for benching him when he deserved to be benched for not playing defense. That is what good coaches do. Guess what Kevin, I can find a D-League vet from Creighton who can give us a better chance of winning because we might actually get a stop. It works. Doc Rivers got Big Baby Davis to move his feet and be a part of a defensive scheme. Flip Saunders isn’t a great coach IMO, but he’ll bench JaVale McGee for being a dog on that end. Avery will go out and play Kris Humphries. A team doesn’t need five lockdown defenders to be a good team defensively. Dallas is a really good defensive team and they do so with Dirk, Jason Kidd, Jason Terry, and J.J. Barea playing big minutes. Utah found a way to get Al Jefferson to work on that end. So, why is it that people are so defensive about criticizing a losing team and a losing team’s players for being losing dogs that only play (and not particularly efficiently) on one end?

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    I wish that 4th quarter of yesterday’s SA-Min was on youtube. To see that is to know exactly why I think the way I do about Minnesota. San Antonio put forth one quarter of effort and overcame a 15 point deficit and won by 6. It was Beasley getting beat on a back cut in the final minute, it was the turnovers, it was Love and Darko not moving their feet defensively to help with dribble penetration, and it was not having anyone who could be the focal point with which to initiate the offense when a good team is trying to stop them and not consistently bad results.

    They are a bad team that doesn’t know how to play. The development of Love was made worse when ESPN and the media in Minnesota got on Kurt Rambis for benching him when he deserved to be benched for not playing defense. That is what good coaches do. Guess what Kevin, I can find a D-League vet from Creighton who can give us a better chance of winning because we might actually get a stop. It works. Doc Rivers got Big Baby Davis to move his feet and be a part of a defensive scheme. Flip Saunders isn’t a great coach IMO, but he’ll bench JaVale McGee for being a dog on that end. Avery will go out and play Kris Humphries. A team doesn’t need five lockdown defenders to be a good team defensively. Dallas is a really good defensive team and they do so with Dirk, Jason Kidd, Jason Terry, and J.J. Barea playing big minutes. Utah found a way to get Al Jefferson to work on that end. So, why is it that people are so defensive about criticizing a losing team and a losing team’s players for being losing dogs that only play (and not particularly efficiently) on one end?

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    A couple of plays but over all beasley did a ok job on jefferson just liek he does everynight. He doesn’t shut down any one but on average no one is shooting great and going above there average on him either. He’s no more bad of a defender then most starting small forwards int he NBA

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    A couple of plays but over all beasley did a ok job on jefferson just liek he does everynight. He doesn’t shut down any one but on average no one is shooting great and going above there average on him either. He’s no more bad of a defender then most starting small forwards int he NBA

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    A couple of plays but over all beasley did a ok job on jefferson just liek he does everynight. He doesn’t shut down any one but on average no one is shooting great and going above there average on him either. He’s no more bad of a defender then most starting small forwards int he NBA

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    It isn’t like teams have to pick on Beasley defensively, the whole crew is bad, so it isn’t as if the lack of tremendous numbers for opposing players is a tribute to his defense.

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    It isn’t like teams have to pick on Beasley defensively, the whole crew is bad, so it isn’t as if the lack of tremendous numbers for opposing players is a tribute to his defense.

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    It isn’t like teams have to pick on Beasley defensively, the whole crew is bad, so it isn’t as if the lack of tremendous numbers for opposing players is a tribute to his defense.

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    Thats why you take into account his opponets shooting percentage not just what they score

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    QUINCEY HODGES1

    Thats why you take into account his opponets shooting percentage not just what they score

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    Thats why you take into account his opponets shooting percentage not just what they score

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    The average FG percentage of the Small forwards they have played is 37%

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    QUINCEY HODGES1

    The average FG percentage of the Small forwards they have played is 37%

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    The average FG percentage of the Small forwards they have played is 37%

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  • #452630
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    Not as bad as Joakim Noah’s 0 boards against Orlando Wednesday night, zero for the number two leading rebounder in the league.  Franchise low 21 rebounds for the team that night, one of the worst performances I’ve ever seen.

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    Not as bad as Joakim Noah’s 0 boards against Orlando Wednesday night, zero for the number two leading rebounder in the league.  Franchise low 21 rebounds for the team that night, one of the worst performances I’ve ever seen.

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    Not as bad as Joakim Noah’s 0 boards against Orlando Wednesday night, zero for the number two leading rebounder in the league.  Franchise low 21 rebounds for the team that night, one of the worst performances I’ve ever seen.

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    Tru. but thats why players are rated on what they do for ALL the games that they have played instead of just one game

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    Tru. but thats why players are rated on what they do for ALL the games that they have played instead of just one game

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    Tru. but thats why players are rated on what they do for ALL the games that they have played instead of just one game

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