Brandon Jennings vow to change game, create Detroit Lob City
I'm going out on a limb here, but I really think this is going to work. I still think Monroe may be moved this year or this summer.
Brandon Jennings biggest weakness may be finishing in the paint, but his biggest strength may be that he's adept at getting in the paint, with Smith, Drummond, and Monroe when he gets to the paint, he'll have someone to drop the ball off to.
Also his outside shooting should stretch the floor, along with Billups, KCP, and Luigi Datome.
Idk, I may be crazy, but I still think his game can grow enough for it to work. I think they'll be a 7 or 8 seed, may even be able to steal a game with their size, and athleticism, and the ever mercurial Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings.
Also kind of happy they aren't tanking, they could maybe be like the Indiana Pacers in a year or two.
And I'd love to see them do their best Lob City impersonation.
Detroit Lob City!
They are the team in the East that no one wants to play in the first round.
Crowd the paint and watch Jennings and Smith brick 3s. Seriously though the top 4 seeds are most likely going to be the HEAT, Pacers, Bulls, and Nets and I don't see any of those teams not wanting to play the Pistons. The East is top heavy and if those are the top seeds I don't see any upsets, but a Knicks/Nets first round would be fun to watch. Pistons, Cavs, and Wizards are all going to be fighting for the last couple of spots in the East. Pistons are a better team than last year, but they were 29-53 so there is still a lot of work to do.
i dont know man, this team could be scary defensively, especially against teams like the pacers and heat. i also feel like the bulls and nets match up well with the the pistons and im interested to see how those two teams do this year. but i think the pistons second unit is basically stacked, and they have MUCH more depth than last year, and they have lots of players who can play multiple positions.
What's so scary defensively? Smith is the only guy that's consistently good defensively. Drummond has potential but he's still very undisciplined. And Jennings and Monroe are both horrible defensively.
Aren't you forgetting KCP, Billups and Singler? This team has plenty of outside shooting beyond Jennings.
They aren't as one-dimensional as people are making out.
I still don't trust the Nets in the post-season, even with their new additions. I have no faith in Deron Williams as a leader and Jason Kidd is a complete unknown as a coach.
As Bill Simmons and the Grantland crew said, they will be a league pass must see. Brandon Jennings and Josh Smith with chips on their shoulders and jacking up crazy shots, a crazy athletic frontline, Coach Rasheed Wallace, Spacing Issues in the half court offense, but at the end of the day. If it all works out they can be a formidable team, and could scare some folks, but it could also be really bad.
I really hope they move Monroe. It would make perfect sense if they could get enough back for him. I'm not sure if they can ever be championship contenders, but as a non-Detrioit fan, I absolutely love the moves they made this offseason because I could care less if they compete for a championship, they will be so fun to watch. One more exciting league pass team for me to look forward to.
Monroe for Batum and Monroe for Barnes. Both of those trades just seem to make so much sense to me.
as a huge pistons fan, i hope they never trade monroe. he's probably the hardest working player on the team. and i dont think we really have a hole at sf now that we have singler, datome, and others that can step in that spot and space the floor. as of right now, drummond isnt ready for major minutes, and monroe can play center while smith is at the pf with drummond being your first person in off the bench.
Monroe is a player I'd hope to stay with the franchise for many years, but it's looking more clear he's gonna be traded.
Monroe is one the best up&coming bigs in the NBA he can Push the ball from end to end without make a bonehead play, bring his man outside the paint and finish off the dribble with either hand ,and he has a back to the basket game plus a jumpshot why move him? A trio of josh smith,monroe,and andre is one of the best versatile frontcourts in the league I don't buy into smith as a starting sf and Drummond gets in foul trouble a lot why not bring him of the bench hes gone be there because of of fouls anyhow.Look at what those players did to the heat last season imagine all 3 this seaon demolishing mia and many other teams front courts theres no 3 man roation of bigs in the league that's better.( Smith will play the pf a lot this season that's his best position to utilize his strength's and hide his weaknesses) You can never have to many bigs the jazz put up a ok season with bigs as the primary scorers.
Getting to Jennings I also believe he will have a good fit here he hasn't played with these many athletic wings and bigs before his assist should go up . Last season was his first season playing with a player of monta's caliber but the he took some lumps he had to share the ball with ellis player that gets most of his points off of iso's and screen and doesn't spread the floor with the 3 much.This season he doesn't have to be a chucker he is being asked to be a pg and spread the floor with his 3 point ability with mo cheeks and bmr bigshot in his ear Im expecting a more efficient Brandon.
I also believe rondo would be a nice addition but rondo racks up on assit playing with ppl capable of knocking down open shots
this team doesn't have very effective outside shooters like in boston so would he fit better then Jennings ?who has the ability to create his own shoot and hit the 3 for a team needing spacing and scoring ? sure rondo is the better pg but Jennings just might as well be what DET needs.
I will love to see how this plays out
There's a huge misconception that Jennings was only a chucker because he had to be, when in reality, he was the most inefficient scorer in Milwaukee but refused to give up his own shots to better the team. I'm rooting for him to turn it around, and I think he gets a worse rap than he deserves, but he has to completely change his approach to the game.
First step on the road to recovery is admitting you have a problem. Jennings just took that first step. Let's see if he backs it up.
I feel like there is too much hype for the pistons this year. Sure, they have talent, but I feel the signing of Josh Smith was awful. Monroe can be a true PF with size, and Josh Smith is a tweener PF with a sub-par post game who does not shoot the ball well. His defense is good, but I feel the offense/defense combo of Monroe and Drummond complement eachother better than Smith and Drummond would. I feel the trade for Jennings was a decent move due to his potential upside, and his contract is a decent deal. If anything, I feel that with this lineup they are a season or two away from making the playoffs. The only proven winner on the team is Josh Smith, but even he was on a mediocre team. I feel trading Monroe would be taking two steps back. A young, good sized PF who can pass, rebound, and has an excellent post game is not easy to come upon...... If I were GM, I would have traded for Jennings and tanked for the draft, because if they got Parker, Randle, Smart, or Wiggins they could be a championship team. I just dont see them being a top team in the east in the future with this lineup. What I would do now is try and arrange a Smith for Rondo deal, but it seems Boston would be more likely to trade Rondo for Monroe.
They still don't technically have have the sg and sf position(josh smith playing sf as a starter shrinks the court) figured out.Their hoping Jennings plays his best ball. Lotto teams BOBCATS, PELICANS, WOLVES, TRAILBLAZERS,MAVS,WIZ division rival:CAVS,PACERS,BULLS plus new and improved NETS might just push Detroit into the lottery top 8 as stated before, this team has alot of hype but their still 2 bad expiring contracts, more seasoning, and another free agent pick up /trade away from being the real deal. We have to see if these guys play together I like the fact their a group of players who slipped in the draft and some where even afterthoughts labeled to be bust and their all on one team reminds me of the 2004 pistons.
Detroit will make a bad move if they decide to trade Monroe...
Call me crazy but I'd rather have Monroe over Drummond
If Monroe does end up getting traded I hope the Raptors try and take a chance on him. Maybe a package involving Rudy Gay for Greg Monroe
This is the article I got the title to this post from.
In the middle of the article it does a good comparison between Stephen Curry and Brandon Jennings and when they take their shots during the shot clock, they did it because Brandon made the statement about being forced to take a lot of bad shots in Milwaukee.
"Just for comparison's sake, I decided to use 82games.com's shot clock usage charts to compare Brandon Jennings with 2009 Draft classmate Stephon Curry over their respective four years.
On average, Jennings took 42.5 percent of his shots in the first 10 seconds of the shot clock while Curry took 44.5 percent of his shots on these "quick" possessions. 26.25 percent of Jennings' shots came in the next five seconds of the clock or 11 to 15 seconds into the shot clock. That number is considerably larger for Curry at 30.5 percent. In seconds 16-20 into the shot clock, Jennings saw 18.25 percent of his attempts; Curry took 17.75 percent of his shots then.
At the end of the shot clock, Jennings saw a much bigger percentage of his shots than Curry did and this is probably what he's talking about in his comments. Jennings took 13 percent of his shots over his four years in the last four seconds of the shot clock. It's just 6.75 percent for Curry. That means nearly 600 of Jennings' shots over his career comes at the end of the shot clock when a lot of guys have to rush attempts and bail out their teammates."
"But Jennings can play point guard, and he's gotten better at it over time. He understands the rhythms of a pick-and-roll - how to read layers of help defense, the art of an inside-out dribble, the prodding impact of a well-timed hesitation bounce, and the trajectory of a slick wraparound pass in the lane. He's got a little Chris Paul-style start-and-stop to his pick-and-roll game now, and he uses that to get further into the paint, in more dangerous ways, more often than he did one or two seasons ago. Jennings can even go right, at least occasionally, and he especially likes to do so when defenses anticipate him dribbling around a pick set to his left - this allows him to cross defenses up by rejecting the pick and dribbling to his right into the teeth of a surprised defense.
He's not an inherently selfish player either, despite some hellish shot selection. He seemed to enjoy picking out Monta Ellis, Mike Dunleavy, and J.J. Redick (all Bucks as recently as, like, five minutes ago) as they curled around screens, and he had a nice chemistry with the wily Ersan Ilyasova. Milwaukee's offense during the past two seasons was much healthier when Jennings shared the court with Ilyasova, a deadly stretch power forward who knows how to move without the ball, per NBA.com. I'd be a little worried, if I were Joe Dumars, about how Jennings might function without both a rangy power forward and an off-ball shooter running the baseline. Perhaps Datome and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope could help on the latter front, and head coach Maurice Cheeks could add some stretchiness to the frontcourt by staggering Smith's, Monroe's, and Andre Drummond's minutes."- Zach Lowe said that,(Grantland)
I'm a Brandon Jennings fan, and if he plays like the Brandon Jennings of March, where he did his best CP3 impersonation by passing the ball and then scoring in the 4th quarter this could work. He has the talent and skills to do it, but does he have the mindset.
Something else people have been pointing out, this isn't the first time, Joe Dumars has taken a chance on a former lottery pick point guard that needed a home, The other will either be backing Brandon up or right next to him on the floor. Chauncey Billups, we all saw how that worked out.
Actually Datome and Jennings played together on the same team back in italy. So they have a little chemistry. Instead of Jennings being focused on 'Lob City', he should be more concerned with getting them in the playoffs. But in my opinion, the key factor in Detroit success would be Andre drummond and his ability to stay out of foul trouble, smiths shooting, and Jennings ability to facilitate the ball. Personally, I think that Monroe defensive ability is underrated. It pretty clear that he's not a shot blocker, just because he not shot blocker doesn't mean he's completely terrible defensively. Actually, he has quick hands and a high bball iq defensively. He does need to work on his lateral movement and pick n roll tho. Finally, how much can the rookies contribute....KCP is a darkhorse...and should be watched throughout the season. I believe he would not start the first half of the season but after the All star break he should be getting more minutes or start. and shouldnt expect much Tony mitchell and Siva. Chauncey should be able to provide 15-20 minutes. I still think that Joe Dumars still have one more trade left before the end of the year (to get a sg/or sf). All in all, the pistons will be more exciting to watch and should make the playoffs...
Seen this coming I believe he's gonna be the brandon jennings of march this past season, dishing the rock and picking his spots better. I think he's gonna reach his potential in detroit
The Pistons now have quite an intriguing team.
I actually think that Jennings was an excellent defender in his freshman season... I think it's obvious that he lost focus on that end. But now that he doesn't have to do as much scoring, he may return to form.
I think the big men need to be used wisely.
Smith and Monroe are a great combination as the 4 and 5. But I am very doubtful that Smith-Monroe-Drummond can form a frontline on offense, because it will really cause of lack of spacing.
It will take an excellent coach to make this work. The Pistons need both PG and SG to be deadly 3pt shooters with all 3 bigs in that frontline.
Additional, I would consider running the offense through Josh Smith and Greg Monroe... both EXCELLENT passers. That way Jennings can provide more of a 3pt threat.
A lot their success will depend on shooting from the wings. Their best hope of that is KCP. OTherwise, it's Billups, who is very washed up, and a bunch of guys who have never been very good at 3s.
I think Detroit will certainly compete for those last 3 spots in the East Playoff picture, but I think since this iteration of the team has come together this offseason, people are overstating what Andre Drummond's impact in the league will be for 2013-14. Drummond had a great year last year even though he suffered that injury, but he's still raw and I think he has a long way to go in order to establish his place in the league as serviceable center capable of 30-35 minutes a night. Greg Monroe is a fluid offensive player, but put Josh Smith and Drummond in half court sets and it seems a bit dicey in year 1.
Detroit will be an interesting team. The entertainment value of lobs are fine for the regular season, and I have no doubt they will elevate the status of the Pistons in the minds of many, but people should not get ahead of themselves with where Andre Drummond is at in his development. The Pistons cannot expect to have him on the court during meaningful close games in the 4th. He is still a guy who is limited to put backs, lobs, and dump offs. If he touches the ball in the 4th, one has to assume he is going to the line. At this point in his career, that is fine. The addition of Josh Smith protects him from being asked to do more than he can, which one of my favorite parts of the Smith signing. Even if Detroit decides to start Smith, Monroe, and Drummond, the team will still play Smith at the 4 and Monroe at the 5 quite a bit. They currently do not have another center. I would think they will add someone who can fill in if needed (the Johan Petro, Drew Gooden, DeSagana Diop, Jason Collins, Dwayne Jones, Lou Amundson, Cole Aldrich list), but it would seem as though the plan would still be to have the three start out together for 6 minutes, sub in (probably) Datome or Singler for Drummond, and slide Smith and Monroe over. They could then have Drummond re-enter for Monroe at the start of the second (get fat on smaller, weaker second unit big men who can't keep him from getting to a spot by the rim), and then work in their fourth big man (Jerebko or Charlie V) (as needed) for Smith during the second as well. The mixing-and-matching closing lineups is going to be a challenge. How can they utilize Drummond while also protecting themselves from having a 37 percent free throw shooter giving away late game possessions? It certainly seems difficult without a number of timeouts. The moment he gets a rebound, the race to call a timeout has to break world records.
For the thing to work, though, they still need KCP to be on the court and knocking down threes and jumpers at near 40 percent clip. It means Datome adapts quickly and shoots close to his Italian League norms (42.7, 43.2, and 39.4% from three over the past three seasons). They cannot afford to be Grizzly-like in their wing shooting, and it will put a lot of pressure on a rookie and a guy who will be in his first US season.
Also, in the long-term, there is no reason the Pistons could not, and should not, keep Greg Monroe. I think it is a lot of empty speculation. Jennings and Smith are the only players above the rookie-scale level salaries after this season. By the time Drummond is up for a second contract, Jennings will be out of contract, and Smith will be entering the final year of his deal year 13 of his career. If the right deal arises, anyone can be made available, but keeping Andre Drummond as the "3rd big" who gets 28-30 minutes per game is probably the smart thing to do. He is a physical marvel, but Detroit should not let him be more important than his abilities allow.
Jennings must be pretty excited, you know, getting to throw Alley-Oops to a Krypt and everything....
I hope he does...I really dont understand all the Jennings hate on this site. He may not have the most efficient numbers in the league, but he was the quarterback of a Bucks team that made the playoffs a few times (somehow). He was asked to shoot way too much because he honestly never had much help. Now that he has some weapons, especially inside, and some athletic players to run the floor with, i think we will see the all-american back in action. I will def be keeping an eye out for the Pistons but the real question is what will happen with Monroe? I think that depends on the development of Drummond.
He really wasn't asked to shoot that much. That's why he was benched down the stretch last year. He showed flashes of being able to play like a true point guard, and the Bucks were better for it with him taking fewer shots and guys like Ilyasova and Dunleavy getting more looks, but for whatever reason, Jennings always reverted back to being a me-first guy. I'll be rooting for him to finally buy into the idea of being a true point guard, but it was really sad to see the way that it ended in Milwaukee. He could have been so much more, but his own head got in the way.