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 http://www.youtube.com/watch

You gotta like how Ingram can dominate a game without dominating the ball like Simmons has to.

 

 

 

[ChewyParticipant]

 1st. The obvious: Simmons is a CREATOR not a FINISHER. You want the ball in Simmons’ hands! I haven’t seen a player that height who enjoys passing as much as him. Lamar Odom comparisons are pretty good (playing style, not potential).

2nd. I didn’t know Ingram’s shot was that good looking (I don’t follow HS, sorry). He looks like Justin Jackson with a jumpshot. Scary!

 

[FrankStallone]

Prospects don’t get much better than Brandon Ingram. Barely 18 too.

While Greek Freak is tantalizing and mezmorizing, he doesn’t have anywhere near this nature coordination and shooting touch.

People assumed that Greek Freak was super raw, but that’s mostly because they didn’t know much about him and he played against poor competition.

But I now think it was more the case the Giannis was actually fairly well polished and developed, it’s just that he’s not super coordinated and lacks a soft shooting touch. Giannis was a polished ball handler and passer, but it turns out he was always bound to tantalize and mezmorize more than realize talent that he never had.

Most prospects have been playing more than a couple years, and that’s really all it takes to either show 3 point shooting talent, even if streaky.

That’s why Porzingis should have been hyped more. People act like 3 point shooting is something that anybody can just practice and get good at, but that’s not the case.

So just assuming that Simmons, or Wiggins or Jabari or Greek Freak are going to develop into good 3 point shooters is just an assumption not based on sound logic. It MAY hapen for one or two of them, but you never want to bank on it.

Because all of these guys have been playing long enough to be good 3 point shooters already if they were any good at it.

Simmons included.

 

 

 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

Nobody can predict if Simmons will develop the 3 point shot.  

Not that either of the two will ever reach the potential of these comparisons, but Simmons may have more of a Lebron game, and Ingram more of a Durant game, body-size definitely being a big factor.

Simmons will get easier buckets naturally because of his gifted size and speed.  He will also command the attention of an entire team’s defense if he has the ball.

Ingram will be the skilled shooter, but his body is definitely a question in the NBA.  When Lebron and KD match up against each other, Lebron historically is able ot shut him down, because strength definitely matters.

Then you also look at the potential for injury, and as I’ve said before, Simmons body is structurally sound, symmetrical.  Watch him work out, he does every exercise in the gym naturally.  So injury risk is definitely a concern for someone like Ingram, and again, look at Durant’s wiry body as an example.

The NBA a strong man will have an easier time scoring easy buckets (see Shaq), so I’d go with Simmons.  Also his ability to drive strong to the hole will command the attention of entire team defenses, creating opportunities for his teammates, and I’m nto sure Ingram will be able to do that.  For the most part, Ingram will be able to be defended by one person in the NBA, though its said he is savvy enough (like Curry or reportedly D’Angelo), to dribble his way into the paint and get his own shot.  

I’ll just take Simmons strength, and Ingram as a consolation.  

 

 

 

 

 

  

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

If you surround him with shooters and big men that can catch and finish, like the well constructed Cavs right now…

He is enough of an attention-getter that the offense might revolve around him (because of his passing ability), and he could easily be the cog of a machine that goes to the finals over and over, because of his impact and ability to control the ball, drive to the hole, and make the right pass.  

I dont think shooting will be his primary role, so I’m sold early on Simmons.  

 

  

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

If you surround him with shooters and big men that can catch and finish, like the well constructed Cavs right now…

He is enough of an attention-getter that the offense might revolve around him (because of his passing ability), and he could easily be the cog of a machine that goes to the finals over and over, because of his impact and ability to control the ball, drive to the hole, and make the right pass.  

I dont think shooting will be his primary role, so I’m sold early on Simmons.  

 

  

[GBeeParticipant]

 Your KD vs LBJ analogy sucks. LBJ doesn’t shut him down. 29+ per game on 60 TS in 14 games vs LeBron’s teams and even better when they met up in the playoffs.

The only part of your argument that makes sense is the injury concern given his build. The rest is crap.  Even the "creating easier looks" part.  Ingram is actually better creating easier looks given that he’s a threat from all over the floor and has to be defended honestly.  Defended honestly = easier to drive and Ingram is an excellent driver given his ball skill, first step and length.  Simmons until he becomes a better 1 on 1 player and shooter in particular will be played off of (sag off, go under, help sinks, etc), making it more difficult for him to find lanes in the half court.  Also, Simmons has the more mature build but he doesn’t always play with force.  He can actually be pretty soft on his finishes, which was one of his knocks coming out of HS,  often times fading from contact.  You’re equating someone with a mature build with someone who plays with force and physically punishes.  The latter is not Simmons.  He hasn’t shown that yet so maybe you’re assuming that he’ll flip the switch and eventually become that, which would only be an assumption based on your eye test.

 

 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

When you have a strong 6’10” guy steamrolling towards the hoop, you can lay off him if you want.  He might take the 3, or he might just develop a head of steam into the paint.  If you don’t think he’ll force a defense to collapse and then makes the right pass, or hits the midrange jumper, then okay, I’ll draft him instead.  I didn’t get to watch the first game but I want to see LSU in half court sets with Simmons.

I think the spacing Ingram will create, allowing guards to crash, affects the game less than a 6’10” ballhandler who dishes it off to one of four people to get a nice shot.  

Obviously we are both going by the eye test here.  Both will be very good players.  If Simmons can finish stronger (I think he will get better), I’ll take Simmons and his easy points at the rim who will make the best decision on the court because of his high IQ, over Ingram’s perimeter play and floor spacing.  Both create opporunities thats what great players do, I just think Simmons will create more opportunities for his team due to the way he plays and affect the game more overall.  I want Simmons and Murray on the Sixers, more than I want Ingram and Murray because I think their offense will run better.

I love skill ball, so I love Ingram.  I just can’t deny what dominant players are able to do.  

 Lebron gets to the finals every year with a pretty average Jumpshot.  How much spacing does Lebron create on the perimeter?  He dominates the ball. You don’t think Simmons can do something similar?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

 

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

When you have a strong 6’10” guy steamrolling towards the hoop, you can lay off him if you want.  He might take the 3, or he might just develop a head of steam into the paint.  If you don’t think he’ll force a defense to collapse and then makes the right pass, or hits the midrange jumper, then okay, I’ll draft him instead.  I didn’t get to watch the first game but I want to see LSU in half court sets with Simmons.

I think the spacing Ingram will create, allowing guards to crash, affects the game less than a 6’10” ballhandler who dishes it off to one of four people to get a nice shot.  

Obviously we are both going by the eye test here.  Both will be very good players.  If Simmons can finish stronger (I think he will get better), I’ll take Simmons and his easy points at the rim who will make the best decision on the court because of his high IQ, over Ingram’s perimeter play and floor spacing.  Both create opporunities thats what great players do, I just think Simmons will create more opportunities for his team due to the way he plays and affect the game more overall.  I want Simmons and Murray on the Sixers, more than I want Ingram and Murray because I think their offense will run better.

I love skill ball, so I love Ingram.  I just can’t deny what dominant players are able to do.  

 Lebron gets to the finals every year with a pretty average Jumpshot.  How much spacing does Lebron create on the perimeter?  He dominates the ball. You don’t think Simmons can do something similar?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

 

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 Your KD vs LBJ analogy sucks. LBJ doesn’t shut him down. 29+ per game on 60 TS in 14 games vs LeBron’s teams and even better when they met up in the playoffs.

The only part of your argument that makes sense is the injury concern given his build. The rest is crap.  Even the "creating easier looks" part.  Ingram is actually better creating easier looks given that he’s a threat from all over the floor and has to be defended honestly.  Defended honestly = easier to drive and Ingram is an excellent driver given his ball skill, first step and length.  Simmons until he becomes a better 1 on 1 player and shooter in particular will be played off of (sag off, go under, help sinks, etc), making it more difficult for him to find lanes in the half court.  Also, Simmons has the more mature build but he doesn’t always play with force.  He can actually be pretty soft on his finishes, which was one of his knocks coming out of HS,  often times fading from contact.  You’re equating someone with a mature build with someone who plays with force and physically punishes.  The latter is not Simmons.  He hasn’t shown that yet so maybe you’re assuming that he’ll flip the switch and eventually become that, which would only be an assumption based on your eye test.

 

 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

Nobody can predict if Simmons will develop the 3 point shot.  

Not that either of the two will ever reach the potential of these comparisons, but Simmons may have more of a Lebron game, and Ingram more of a Durant game, body-size definitely being a big factor.

Simmons will get easier buckets naturally because of his gifted size and speed.  He will also command the attention of an entire team’s defense if he has the ball.

Ingram will be the skilled shooter, but his body is definitely a question in the NBA.  When Lebron and KD match up against each other, Lebron historically is able ot shut him down, because strength definitely matters.

Then you also look at the potential for injury, and as I’ve said before, Simmons body is structurally sound, symmetrical.  Watch him work out, he does every exercise in the gym naturally.  So injury risk is definitely a concern for someone like Ingram, and again, look at Durant’s wiry body as an example.

The NBA a strong man will have an easier time scoring easy buckets (see Shaq), so I’d go with Simmons.  Also his ability to drive strong to the hole will command the attention of entire team defenses, creating opportunities for his teammates, and I’m nto sure Ingram will be able to do that.  For the most part, Ingram will be able to be defended by one person in the NBA, though its said he is savvy enough (like Curry or reportedly D’Angelo), to dribble his way into the paint and get his own shot.  

I’ll just take Simmons strength, and Ingram as a consolation.  

 

 

 

 

 

  

[bumbleb33Participant]

 Nope, giannis was just super raw. Just because you handle the ball well dosen’t mean you are polished lmfao. Take Zach Lavine for example. He has a pretty sweet shot and can stroke it decently from 3 but is one of the most raw players in the whole league. No handle, no defense, cant pass

Most top prospects who go into the league with a questionable jumpshot ARE able to develop a serviceable 3 point shot. These guys dont have 3 point shots now cos they were able to dominate without it. Even Shaq says he used to be a shooter in high school, then he grew to 7 feet and could just dunk on everyone. 

[FrankStallone]

 okay buddy, I’m sure Shaq’s 3 pointer was awesome if he said so.

What I mean about Giannis being polished is that he was polished for what his natural talent was/is. Nobody just picks up a basketball and starts dribbling like that.

When you say most prospects develop a serviceable 3 point shot, I think what you mean is most prospects can eventually shoot high 20s or very low 30s on a very limited number of wide open 3s.

 

 

[bumbleb33Participant]

 Your argument is that because he has a good handle it means he is polished. Giannis was 18 years old coming into the league, he’d be a sophomore in college right now. You are telling me he was polished at the age of 18 when his biggest competition was against greek dleaguers? 

Wiggins shot slightly over 30% in his rookie year so there is your theory out the window. I’m not sure if you are straight trolling or just a diehard ingram dickrider. Either way, try harder

 

 

[FrankStallone]

 Wiggins barely shot 30% on hardly any (wide open) 3s.

And you still miss my point about Giannis. He wasn’t polished polished, he just was who he was. He didn’t lack a good 3 point shot because he was brand new to the game, he lacked a 3 point shot because he’s not a talented shooter.

He is who he is, and though he’ll still get better, he’ll still look "raw" 5 years from now.

 

[FrankStallone]

 Wiggins barely shot 30% on hardly any (wide open) 3s.

And you still miss my point about Giannis. He wasn’t polished polished, he just was who he was. He didn’t lack a good 3 point shot because he was brand new to the game, he lacked a 3 point shot because he’s not a talented shooter.

He is who he is, and though he’ll still get better, he’ll still look "raw" 5 years from now.

 

[bumbleb33Participant]

 Your argument is that because he has a good handle it means he is polished. Giannis was 18 years old coming into the league, he’d be a sophomore in college right now. You are telling me he was polished at the age of 18 when his biggest competition was against greek dleaguers? 

Wiggins shot slightly over 30% in his rookie year so there is your theory out the window. I’m not sure if you are straight trolling or just a diehard ingram dickrider. Either way, try harder

 

 

[FrankStallone]

 okay buddy, I’m sure Shaq’s 3 pointer was awesome if he said so.

What I mean about Giannis being polished is that he was polished for what his natural talent was/is. Nobody just picks up a basketball and starts dribbling like that.

When you say most prospects develop a serviceable 3 point shot, I think what you mean is most prospects can eventually shoot high 20s or very low 30s on a very limited number of wide open 3s.

 

 

[bumbleb33Participant]

 Nope, giannis was just super raw. Just because you handle the ball well dosen’t mean you are polished lmfao. Take Zach Lavine for example. He has a pretty sweet shot and can stroke it decently from 3 but is one of the most raw players in the whole league. No handle, no defense, cant pass

Most top prospects who go into the league with a questionable jumpshot ARE able to develop a serviceable 3 point shot. These guys dont have 3 point shots now cos they were able to dominate without it. Even Shaq says he used to be a shooter in high school, then he grew to 7 feet and could just dunk on everyone. 

[circumlocution75Participant]

 shoot or pass quickly…. when you have a guy that does not need to dominate the ball, it creates a lot of movement w/o the ball by everyone on the floor…. b/c they will be rewarded for getting into open space…. Mind you, I’m not criticizing Any prospects who do need the ball – I LUV Simmons too… I really Ingram’s skill set though…. w/ that type of length, stroke & court vision, he looks like an Excellent pro prospect…

[FrankStallone]

 Good point. In Sacramento now, everybody just stands around while Rondo dominates the ball. His last 3 years in Boston, even before his injury, the Cs really struggled playing that style. It’s not easy to just stand around or run through 10 seconds worth of screens and shoot the ball without getting to touch it much. 

The Rockets are in free fall right now with Harden dominating the ball. The Mavs’ elite offense last year fell apart when Rondo showed up, while the Celtics went on a playoff run without him.

With Simmons, you need just the right personnel around him, and even then, it might not work after a year or two. Guys like to touch the ball, create some of their own offense, and feel fully invested. Without feeling fully invested, guys start slacking on defense. Nobody wants to work their ass off on defense just to watch one guy dominate the ball, and if they do, they don’t want to do it for more than a year or two.

 

 

 

[Skip]

I like anyone who can pass the ball really quickly. Even a simple pass. At very least, you won’t hurt the offense if you aren’t the go-to offensive weapon.

Im also liking this Ingram hype. 

I had it in the order of Simmons, Brown, Murray, Bender, Ingram & Skal.

I might need to watch more Ingram footage cos its easy to forget which guys are younger (Ingram) and which guys are older (Skal). Even 6 months of physical development at that age makes a massive difference when considering ceilings.

 

 

 

[Skip]

I like anyone who can pass the ball really quickly. Even a simple pass. At very least, you won’t hurt the offense if you aren’t the go-to offensive weapon.

Im also liking this Ingram hype. 

I had it in the order of Simmons, Brown, Murray, Bender, Ingram & Skal.

I might need to watch more Ingram footage cos its easy to forget which guys are younger (Ingram) and which guys are older (Skal). Even 6 months of physical development at that age makes a massive difference when considering ceilings.

 

 

 

[FrankStallone]

 Good point. In Sacramento now, everybody just stands around while Rondo dominates the ball. His last 3 years in Boston, even before his injury, the Cs really struggled playing that style. It’s not easy to just stand around or run through 10 seconds worth of screens and shoot the ball without getting to touch it much. 

The Rockets are in free fall right now with Harden dominating the ball. The Mavs’ elite offense last year fell apart when Rondo showed up, while the Celtics went on a playoff run without him.

With Simmons, you need just the right personnel around him, and even then, it might not work after a year or two. Guys like to touch the ball, create some of their own offense, and feel fully invested. Without feeling fully invested, guys start slacking on defense. Nobody wants to work their ass off on defense just to watch one guy dominate the ball, and if they do, they don’t want to do it for more than a year or two.

 

 

 

[circumlocution75Participant]

 shoot or pass quickly…. when you have a guy that does not need to dominate the ball, it creates a lot of movement w/o the ball by everyone on the floor…. b/c they will be rewarded for getting into open space…. Mind you, I’m not criticizing Any prospects who do need the ball – I LUV Simmons too… I really Ingram’s skill set though…. w/ that type of length, stroke & court vision, he looks like an Excellent pro prospect…

[FrankStallone]

Prospects don’t get much better than Brandon Ingram. Barely 18 too.

While Greek Freak is tantalizing and mezmorizing, he doesn’t have anywhere near this nature coordination and shooting touch.

People assumed that Greek Freak was super raw, but that’s mostly because they didn’t know much about him and he played against poor competition.

But I now think it was more the case the Giannis was actually fairly well polished and developed, it’s just that he’s not super coordinated and lacks a soft shooting touch. Giannis was a polished ball handler and passer, but it turns out he was always bound to tantalize and mezmorize more than realize talent that he never had.

Most prospects have been playing more than a couple years, and that’s really all it takes to either show 3 point shooting talent, even if streaky.

That’s why Porzingis should have been hyped more. People act like 3 point shooting is something that anybody can just practice and get good at, but that’s not the case.

So just assuming that Simmons, or Wiggins or Jabari or Greek Freak are going to develop into good 3 point shooters is just an assumption not based on sound logic. It MAY hapen for one or two of them, but you never want to bank on it.

Because all of these guys have been playing long enough to be good 3 point shooters already if they were any good at it.

Simmons included.

 

 

 

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 I had no idea he had that kind of range out past the 3point line… He’s got great length so he’ll disrupt passing lanes & collect steals on Defense…. He moves so well without the ball…. Doesn’t need to have the ball in his hands to be effective…. quick decision maker – instinctive, smooth, great passer & shooter…. Can Not wait to see him against Top competition!

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 I had no idea he had that kind of range out past the 3point line… He’s got great length so he’ll disrupt passing lanes & collect steals on Defense…. He moves so well without the ball…. Doesn’t need to have the ball in his hands to be effective…. quick decision maker – instinctive, smooth, great passer & shooter…. Can Not wait to see him against Top competition!

[FrankStallone]

 Tonight vs Kentucky.

Welcome aboard.

 

 

 

[FrankStallone]

 Tonight vs Kentucky.

Welcome aboard.

 

 

 

[ChewyParticipant]

 1st. The obvious: Simmons is a CREATOR not a FINISHER. You want the ball in Simmons’ hands! I haven’t seen a player that height who enjoys passing as much as him. Lamar Odom comparisons are pretty good (playing style, not potential).

2nd. I didn’t know Ingram’s shot was that good looking (I don’t follow HS, sorry). He looks like Justin Jackson with a jumpshot. Scary!

 

[MopgrassParticipant]

 Side note: Ingram has big defensive potential. He already disrupts the ball a lot (thank you length and activity). 

[FrankStallone]

 And that’s where being skinny is an asset. Much easier to change directions several times when you are light. Just look at Porzingis’s defensive footwork. I think Durant would have been a better defender, healthier, and a better player overall if he didn’t bulk up.

 

 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

arambone?  Trex?   

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

arambone?  Trex?   

[FrankStallone]

 And that’s where being skinny is an asset. Much easier to change directions several times when you are light. Just look at Porzingis’s defensive footwork. I think Durant would have been a better defender, healthier, and a better player overall if he didn’t bulk up.

 

 

[MopgrassParticipant]

 Side note: Ingram has big defensive potential. He already disrupts the ball a lot (thank you length and activity). 

[markfitz14Participant]

 Wow Ingram looks silky smooth and he is so long. That long range stroke is sweet too. I got him going number 2 in the draft for that scoring potential. At least he will make it some debate if he keeps scoring like that.

 He seems Durant esk with the scoring and body control. Of course Durant is a couple inches taller but there bodies still look similar. 

That is the one knock on Simmons, his outside shooting. NBA teams may back off of him around the perimiter. 

 

[markfitz14Participant]

 Wow Ingram looks silky smooth and he is so long. That long range stroke is sweet too. I got him going number 2 in the draft for that scoring potential. At least he will make it some debate if he keeps scoring like that.

 He seems Durant esk with the scoring and body control. Of course Durant is a couple inches taller but there bodies still look similar. 

That is the one knock on Simmons, his outside shooting. NBA teams may back off of him around the perimiter. 

 

[FrankStallone]

 I think Ingram will improve more in his strength, ball handling, and passing than Simmons will as a shooter. 

It’s important to remember that Ingram is a year younger. He’s already up to 215ish I believe, and he just turned 18. He still might be growing vertically, and he’s definitely still growing physically, moreso than Simmons.

Ingram looks like a taller Tracy McGrady. Maybe not as athletic, but way more athletic than Durant at the same age, and more athletic than Durant at his peak.

A 6’10" swingman who can be a superstar at SG or SF or PF on any given night, or even all 3 in the same game.

No matter what look a team throws at Ingram’s team, they can match it instantly and easily.

I think passing gets overrated in today’s NBA. That’s how DRussell got drafted over Porzingis.

Simmons isn’t going to command an entire defense’s attention, unless he’s a dominating scorer. Quite the contrary. A 6’10" wing who can shoot the 3, drive and score, drive and dish (a simple thing to do), AND post up? That is what gets a team’s attention.

If I was the other team on Simmons, I’d just play him man to man and force him into mid-range shots. Even if he makes them at a decent rate, that’s not going to kill you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MopgrassParticipant]

There’s footage on YouTube of him touching the top of the rim. He’s super athletic. I’m not sure he knows how to use it in a game.

No way he’s 215 pounds. 195 tops. They said he was 190 at the end of HS, then Duke said he gained 25 pounds. No way on either account. 

He might not go 1st, but he’s my favorite. 

[MopgrassParticipant]

There’s footage on YouTube of him touching the top of the rim. He’s super athletic. I’m not sure he knows how to use it in a game.

No way he’s 215 pounds. 195 tops. They said he was 190 at the end of HS, then Duke said he gained 25 pounds. No way on either account. 

He might not go 1st, but he’s my favorite. 

[Skip]

 Simmons has 2 flaws in his shooting game.

1) He twists his body during the shooting motion. Slightly….but its gotta get fixed if he wants to be better than league average. I doubt hes ever more than a 35% guy.

2) His body language makes it obvious he doesnt want to take a 3. Defenders know it…and sag off. Even if you’re only a 30% shooter from deep…your body language can keep defenders honest by creating the threat from deep.

To be fair, 18yo’s who have always relied on dominating physically rarely have good shooting touch. Some develop great accuracy over their rookie contract, whilst others just dont have the talent like previously stated with Giannis.

Hell…I played rec league basketball at a lowish level for 20 years and never developed a reliable 3pt shot. I just didnt have the knack and no amount of practice would make me above averae. Doesnt mean I wasnt destroying my rec league in other areas. (Legit averaged a 5×5 one season lol)

[Skip]

 Simmons has 2 flaws in his shooting game.

1) He twists his body during the shooting motion. Slightly….but its gotta get fixed if he wants to be better than league average. I doubt hes ever more than a 35% guy.

2) His body language makes it obvious he doesnt want to take a 3. Defenders know it…and sag off. Even if you’re only a 30% shooter from deep…your body language can keep defenders honest by creating the threat from deep.

To be fair, 18yo’s who have always relied on dominating physically rarely have good shooting touch. Some develop great accuracy over their rookie contract, whilst others just dont have the talent like previously stated with Giannis.

Hell…I played rec league basketball at a lowish level for 20 years and never developed a reliable 3pt shot. I just didnt have the knack and no amount of practice would make me above averae. Doesnt mean I wasnt destroying my rec league in other areas. (Legit averaged a 5×5 one season lol)

[FrankStallone]

 I think Ingram will improve more in his strength, ball handling, and passing than Simmons will as a shooter. 

It’s important to remember that Ingram is a year younger. He’s already up to 215ish I believe, and he just turned 18. He still might be growing vertically, and he’s definitely still growing physically, moreso than Simmons.

Ingram looks like a taller Tracy McGrady. Maybe not as athletic, but way more athletic than Durant at the same age, and more athletic than Durant at his peak.

A 6’10" swingman who can be a superstar at SG or SF or PF on any given night, or even all 3 in the same game.

No matter what look a team throws at Ingram’s team, they can match it instantly and easily.

I think passing gets overrated in today’s NBA. That’s how DRussell got drafted over Porzingis.

Simmons isn’t going to command an entire defense’s attention, unless he’s a dominating scorer. Quite the contrary. A 6’10" wing who can shoot the 3, drive and score, drive and dish (a simple thing to do), AND post up? That is what gets a team’s attention.

If I was the other team on Simmons, I’d just play him man to man and force him into mid-range shots. Even if he makes them at a decent rate, that’s not going to kill you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[EspressoParticipant]

Ingram’s still making it looking easy, smoother than a keystone light!

He’s definitely eating Jaylen Brown’s #3 spot right now, he fits so well in Coach K’s system where shooters are rewarded I can already see him outscoring him for the entire year.  I said he’s a jack of all trades and master of none, but he’s mastering an all around game that is more than just solid in all aspects. His athleticism is growing together with his body as opposed to someone like Quincy Miller, and his height advantage will be there at all three levels, HS, CBB, NBA. The KD comparison are more than less real, that’s two guys I compare to KD in Michael Porter and Ingram, they just have so much length and mobility in combination with the ability to rise up and shoot that is almost inevitable, look at that hesitation dribble at the :30 secs mark for example.

 

 

[EspressoParticipant]

Ingram’s still making it looking easy, smoother than a keystone light!

He’s definitely eating Jaylen Brown’s #3 spot right now, he fits so well in Coach K’s system where shooters are rewarded I can already see him outscoring him for the entire year.  I said he’s a jack of all trades and master of none, but he’s mastering an all around game that is more than just solid in all aspects. His athleticism is growing together with his body as opposed to someone like Quincy Miller, and his height advantage will be there at all three levels, HS, CBB, NBA. The KD comparison are more than less real, that’s two guys I compare to KD in Michael Porter and Ingram, they just have so much length and mobility in combination with the ability to rise up and shoot that is almost inevitable, look at that hesitation dribble at the :30 secs mark for example.

 

 

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