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  • #38663
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    JordanC20
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     Where do YOU think he should go in the draft?

    From a talent standpoint I believe he is the 2nd best player.

     

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  • #664247
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    JoeWolf1

     He’s 4th on my board, I have…

    1 – Davis, 2 – MKG, 3 – Robinson, 4 – Beal, 5 – Drummond

    But it will depend on teams in the 2-5 range, I think all those guys are in the mix at 2 and also at 5.  

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  • #664249
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    Tyrober
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     I think the Cavs grab him at 3,4, or 5. I could see him going as high as 2nd, but Robinson, Beal, Drummond, and MKG all seem interchangeable at 2-5

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  • #664251
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    orangeshadow83
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    I am really high on Beal and think he is the best SG of this draft. It really depends on draft order but I can see him going as high as 2 and I doubt he drops past 6.

    As the evaluation process continues I think he will seperate himself from players like Lamb Ross and Rivers and be considered by most to be the best SG prospect in this draft.

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  • #664253
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    JoeWolf1

     I like him in Cleveland too.  The Cavs have Irving and a big in Thompson, they should focus on creating an exciting young back court IMO rather than roll the dice on Drummond.  I could also see them reaching for Barnes, but I like Beal more as a prospect.

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  • #664254
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    Tyrober
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     @JoeWolf1. I think if they get the 2nd pick they might gamble and take Drummond, but I really hope Beal ends up with the Cavs. Irving and Beal seem like a perfect fit.

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  • #664260
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    JoeWolf1

    I think Beal would be a great fit too.

     In my opinion, I think Drummond would be a bad pick for Cleveland.  They drafted Thompson, who will bring rebounding, length, athleticism, shot blocking and limited offense for years to come.  I see Drummond bringing the exact same things only 2” taller and even more of a project on offense.  

    The Cavs only score 93 points per game and the slew of 2 guards they’ve started this year are all 15 mpg players on a better team.   It might be a good idea to add another big man, but not at #2-6.

    I’ve thought a smart draft for Cleveland would be Beal with your lotto pick and Fab Melo at 25.  I think they need a scorer who can give you points as a rookie and help turn that team around quickly.  The Cavs were in the Finals 5 years ago.  I don’t think they are that willing to draft a guy like Drummond at #2 and wait 2 or 3 years for him to be a starter.  With Melo at #25 they can get a similar player, and not have to pass up a great back court player to pair with Irving.

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  • #664267
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    Andrew1984
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    For the Cavaliers, I love Beal, but scorers are easier to find than bigs. Big men with Drummond’s athleticism, strength, and leaping ability are just harder to find than anything else. I think they have to take a chance on Drummond, package some picks with the one they received from the Lakers, and move back up for Rivers or Terrence Ross. I also like the idea of acquiring either Jordan Hamilton or Mike Beasley in a trade.

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  • #664271
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    JoeWolf1

    Varejao is under contract for 3 more years, and Drummond won’t beat him out in that time period.  I just don’t see where he fits in the scenario, unless they want to develop him like Omer Asik in Chicago, have him play a similar role and hope they can re-sign him when his rookie contract is up.

    Beal makes them a better team right away, Drummond sits on the bench behind Varejao ( a double/double player) for the rest of his contract or until they trade him.

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  • #664272
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    benny15
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    i have the cavs taking barnes with their lotto pick and Lamb for their 25th. Beal would also be a very good fit for them, but think he might not be available when they pick. i have beal projected from the 2-4 range and the only teams i see him passing up on him are the hornets, kings and bucks. even in that scenario, new orleans might take the guy if they’re are seriously afraid Eric Gordon would force himself out of town.

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  • #664282
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    TRC1991
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    i have beal going 5th to cleveland, presumably ofcourse that the Cavs end up with the 5th pick… the reason being is becuase if you look at the first 4 teams, none have a bruising need for a 2 guard (jordan crawford, gerald henderson, marcus thornton, eric gordon)

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    kobyz
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  • #664293
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    truwizfan4
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     imagne Beal and wall duo in the backcourt

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  • #664294
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    Andrew1984
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    There is zero chance that Varejao would start over Drummond for three years. Zero. None. Period. Andy Varejao is a guy who averaged seven points and six boards up until his seventh NBA season. When Tristan Thompson got his first 20 and 10 a couple months ago, he did it in his 37th game as a pro. It took Andy Varejao 340 games to notch his first 20 and 10.

    Just because when the roster was utterly devoid of talent and Varejao was fored into 35 minutes a game, and he averaged like 11 and 11 in that situation, does not mean he has any skill or talent. He’s serviceable at best. He has no explosion, no body control, no brute strength. He threw up a few 18 and 15s this year, but for every 18 and 15, there were about 20 nights of 7 and 5. There is absolutely nothing special about Varejao. Every team has one. He’s Reggie Evans, Eduardo Najera, etc. He’s just a sloppy 6-10 body who’s willing to hustle and get dirty.

    Saying that in three years, or even two, a 32-year-old Varejao who has averaged 7 ppg for his career would start over a 21-year-old Andre Drummond, a top-five draft pick and much-heralded stud coming out of high school, who has unquestionable explosiveness, strength, and talent, is completely wrong.

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  • #664298
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    JoeWolf1

    Varejao made the All-Defensive 2nd team two years ago.  You think a guy who averaged 10 and 7 in college will step in and beat out a guy who was voted one of the top 10 defenders in the league 2 years ago?

    This isn’t Amare or Dwight who were more productive as NBA rookies as Drummond was in college.  This is Andre (30% FT shooter) Drummond who is half the prospect Greg Oden was and he played behind Joel Pryzbilla for his rookie year.  

    Drummond now is not better than Varejao and he won’t be next year.  Maybe by year three he’ll be in the conversaion, but people are too busy drooling over Drummond’s athletic ability to accurately see the player he is right now.

     

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  • #664302
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    Cosbysweater7
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    I have Beal going to Cleveland but can go anywhere from 2-6 depending on the team drafting. All teams besides the team that select Anthony Davis should consider Beal regardless of team need. In no way has Jordan Crawford, Gerald Henderson, and Marcus Thornton (and Eric Gordon if he doesnt re-sign) solidified the starting SG spot. Beal would be an instant upgrade over all three of those guys.

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  • #664301
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    Andrew1984
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    Bigs do tend to take a little bit more time to develop. That’s fine. But not three years. Drummond would probably play 18 minutes a night as a rookie, 26-32 in his second year, and 32-36 his third.

    I can promise you that Chris Grant and Byron Scott are drooling over the thought of Kyrie Irving and Andre Drummond running pick-and-roll in Cleveland for 10-12 years. Andy’s defense has been nice, but there ain’t nobody drooling over it.

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  • #664306
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    JoeWolf1

    Drummond is going to foul like crazy coming into the leauge.  It doesn’t matter how athletic he is, or who’s drooling over him.  He won’t be able to stay on the court, for a while.  I’ve seen Drummond play quite a bit and even if he is starting in his 2nd year he’s not playing more than 25 mpg.  

    He’s got so much work to do, and I feel once he finds a nitch as a defender, he won’t continue to develop his offense much.  Most centers that are raw on offense don’t and I don’t see him being any different.  He’s a 3 year project to start and be able to stay on the court for 30 minutes.  

    In the NBA he’s going to disuade people from driving to the rim, not become a master at the pick and roll.  He can’t dribble, he can’t shoot, the only thing he has in the pick and roll game is the ability to finish an alley oop and don’t expect him to convert the AND 1 if he’s fouled.

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  • #664319
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    juves4783
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    i think his draft position definitely will depend on how the lottery unfolds.  i think beal is a guy that can contribute right away because of his shooting and ball handling abilities.  of the teams in the top 5 of the lottery, i think charlotte and cleveland are the 2 teams that would select him.  washington has crawford (who’s also undersized) and new orleans will likely retain eric gordon.  i think those teams will look for bigs.  sacramento is a sleeper team if they trade tyreke, otherwise they are stacked at the 2.  i actually agree with aran (if the lottery plays out as is) and have him falling to 6 to toronto.  

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  • #664325
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    Andrew1984
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    I’ve said it on here before, but I see Drummond’s best-case scenario as being Moses Malone. Not necessarily as legendary or as good as him, but having that style of play. Machine-like offensive rebounding and just out-muscling people. Man-sizing people. Definitely not a finesse player. You don’t have to be a finesse player to flourish in the pick-and-roll, you just have to be a freight train, but also have some agility.

    And I agree, poor FT shooting can be troublesome. We all wish guys like Shaq, Duncan, and Blake Griffin could’ve made their FTs, but it didn’t stop them from becoming great players.

    I just think Drummond needs someone who can motivate him. Look at how well DeMarcus Cousins played once he bought in and started working hard!

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  • #664327
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    DurantsWingspan

    I agree with everything you said Joe Wolf. You put it good. The only thing is I don’t think you can say Andre Drummond is similar to Fab Melo. Drummond is so athletic it is hard to say he is similar to anyone. I mean if Drummond never reaches anybit of his potential at all, then maybe him and Melo might be similar. But if Drummond even reaches 10% of his potential, he will be way better than Melo. His potential and athleticism is just so ridiculous I don’t think you can really compare him to Melo besides the size and shot-blocking. With that being said, I completely agree with you about the draft. Beal would definitley fit in great with Irving in the backcourt. That is who I would take as well. Its crazy that just a month ago, Barnes was considered the sure-fire #2 pick and the Cavs were hoping they would be lucky enough to be able to land him. Now it is considered a reach to take Barnes if your the Cavs. Crazy how things change. With the 24 pick I agree that you should look for a big. I agree that Melo would be a solid pick in this range because you can’t teach size and defense so even at worst, he will be a solid role player. But if someone with high potential like a Tony Mitchell (NT) or  Moe Harkless, I believe you should take him. Even someone like Tony Wroten. They might not need a PG, but he is such a possible steal in the 20’s that I would take him anyways. This draft is gonna be full of people in the mid-late first round who have tremendous amounts of potential. There might be a lot of good players from the 15-25 range.

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  • #664330
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    DurantsWingspan

    I think you guys both have points. 3 years from now Drummond could be riding the pine and not even getting playing time because he is a bust, or he could be getting you 15 and 10 and showing the potential to be one of the best bigs in the league. I think it will be somewhere in between. I wouldn’t expect him to start over Varejao year one, or even year two. But by year 3, he SHOULD start over Varejao. If he didn’t than it would mean he is just simply not going to be the player that everyone thought. But I could definitley see him not starting over Varejao by year 3, but I could definitley also see him starting. It can go either way. Impossible to pick this guys future he is so damn inconsistent and young and full of potential.

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  • #664381
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     i bet drummond is going to be fine in cleveland. its not like they’re gonna compete for the title, they will be patient on him and let him play at least 20mins a game in his rookie year. as much as i like beal and deserves to be a top 2 pick in the draft, the potential of irving drummond is really hard to pass. scoring guards are easier to find too. i like varejao as a good hustle player, but havent played for like a year and always injured. if drummond isnt gonna find his time in cleveland its will not be because of varejao lol. drummond can only score on alley oop well he got kyrie. they can clone what paul and okafor did in byron’s system

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  • #664402
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    draftmangt
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    ^^You mean Paul and Chandler 

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  • #664415
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    Grandmama
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    Right now I have him going 7th. I’ve got Davis, Drummond, Robinson, MKG, Barnes and Lamb in the top 6 and Beal going 7th. He’s definitely going top 10.

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  • #664453
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    bjcart53
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     I agree with JordanC20. If I do not get anthony davis give me brad beal any day of the week. He really has high upside. Been telling people he is better than rivers forever.

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