[tblazer_NZParticipant]

Boston has 16 players (one more than the limit). Who do they cut? Or will they make a trade?

Point Guard :Marcus Smart-Isaiah Thomas-Terry Rozier 

Shooting Guard :Avery Bradley-James Young-R.J. Hunter

Small Forward :Jae Crowder-Evan Turner-Perry Jones

Power Forward :David Lee-Amir Johnson-Jonas Jerebko-Jared Sullinger-Jordan Mickey

Center :Kelly Olynyk-Tyler Zeller

 

 

 

 

[TRC1991Participant]

 I think you trade Sullinger for a conditional 1st round pick if you can get it.

[TRC1991Participant]

 I think you trade Sullinger for a conditional 1st round pick if you can get it.

[markfitz14Participant]

It seems as though they don’t favor his game right now. Since they got 4 maybe 5 guys ahead of him for playing time. They prbly wait to later in the year to bring his value back up once his foot and attitude shape up. Maybe someone trys to picks him up then. I would gladly take a 1st round pick for him at this point. 

[markfitz14Participant]

It seems as though they don’t favor his game right now. Since they got 4 maybe 5 guys ahead of him for playing time. They prbly wait to later in the year to bring his value back up once his foot and attitude shape up. Maybe someone trys to picks him up then. I would gladly take a 1st round pick for him at this point. 

[trelos6Participant]

Posted this on reddit a few days ago. 

 

100% of people agreed PJ3 is gone. 

[trelos6Participant]

Posted this on reddit a few days ago. 

 

100% of people agreed PJ3 is gone. 

[markfitz14Participant]

He is the odd man out. Hasnt got much plaing time in the preseason either. I doubt hes shown enough to warrant keeping him over the picks they have made the last 2 years. He will be let go and someone will pick him up. 

[markfitz14Participant]

He is the odd man out. Hasnt got much plaing time in the preseason either. I doubt hes shown enough to warrant keeping him over the picks they have made the last 2 years. He will be let go and someone will pick him up. 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 OKC gave Boston money to cover waiving P Jones, so it looks like he will be a free agent soon.  Unless they can find a 2 for 1 trade somewhere.

 

If Boston do waive him, Jones should be able to find a new team with some playing time.  A team with an injury at small forward, maybe Charlotte.

 

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 OKC gave Boston money to cover waiving P Jones, so it looks like he will be a free agent soon.  Unless they can find a 2 for 1 trade somewhere.

 

If Boston do waive him, Jones should be able to find a new team with some playing time.  A team with an injury at small forward, maybe Charlotte.

 

 

[BostonCs FanParticipant]

Perry Jones is most likely the odd man out but if he was to somehow make the final cuts the other players most notably to be on there way out are Jared Sullinger and Evan turner. Seems like Boston are giving up on Sully and wants to move on, Brad has already hinted that he wants to start Lee and Zeller and run a 4 big rotation. Olynk and Amir are both having a stellar preseason. Turner only cause he’s primarily the top ball handler in the starting unit and I think Brad really wants to develop Smarts pg skills. Smart certainly is looking more comfortable off the pick and rolls and he has already showed his improvement on the one handed bounce pass off the pick. Plus getting rid of Turner could open playing time for guys like Hunter and Young.

[BostonCs FanParticipant]

Perry Jones is most likely the odd man out but if he was to somehow make the final cuts the other players most notably to be on there way out are Jared Sullinger and Evan turner. Seems like Boston are giving up on Sully and wants to move on, Brad has already hinted that he wants to start Lee and Zeller and run a 4 big rotation. Olynk and Amir are both having a stellar preseason. Turner only cause he’s primarily the top ball handler in the starting unit and I think Brad really wants to develop Smarts pg skills. Smart certainly is looking more comfortable off the pick and rolls and he has already showed his improvement on the one handed bounce pass off the pick. Plus getting rid of Turner could open playing time for guys like Hunter and Young.

[SmooveKRYPTParticipant]

Unless a trade happens Perry Jones is getting cut. Once they were able to sign Mickey and Amir I knew his days were numbered

[SmooveKRYPTParticipant]

Unless a trade happens Perry Jones is getting cut. Once they were able to sign Mickey and Amir I knew his days were numbered

[King CaluchaParticipant]

The 76ers are after all the available young talent, which is a good strategy. They’re after all the underdogs… somebody has to pan out. Except… they’ll trade the players for picks later lol

[T Rex]

 And the problem with most stars is that they don’t have better advanced stats than Boston’s bench guys like IT, Amir Johnson, and Olynyk.

[King CaluchaParticipant]

Why would that be a problem? They get paid and they win games

[King CaluchaParticipant]

Why would that be a problem? They get paid and they win games

[King CaluchaParticipant]

Why would that be a problem? They get paid and they win games

[King CaluchaParticipant]

Why would that be a problem? They get paid and they win games

[T Rex]

 And the problem with most stars is that they don’t have better advanced stats than Boston’s bench guys like IT, Amir Johnson, and Olynyk.

[King CaluchaParticipant]

The 76ers are after all the available young talent, which is a good strategy. They’re after all the underdogs… somebody has to pan out. Except… they’ll trade the players for picks later lol

[DolanCareParticipant]

 The next disguntled superstar could very easily end up in Boston with their amount of young assets. Harden could have very well ended up a Celtic if Boston had this roster 3 years ago. 

[properbreaksParticipant]

That’s what I think about when I look at their roster and their team as a whole. THey have a lot of potentially above average young players, but no star. They are in that position where they already made the playoffs so they aren’t going to be in the lottery for 3 years to get that star. The most talented player to me on their roster is Young to me. Everybody else I’d entertain a 2 for 1 deal or find a trade to get in the lottery.

[properbreaksParticipant]

That’s what I think about when I look at their roster and their team as a whole. THey have a lot of potentially above average young players, but no star. They are in that position where they already made the playoffs so they aren’t going to be in the lottery for 3 years to get that star. The most talented player to me on their roster is Young to me. Everybody else I’d entertain a 2 for 1 deal or find a trade to get in the lottery.

[trelos6Participant]

Could be the next disgruntled player. Wants a max deal, Warriors think he’s a role player. 

They might be inclined to deal him for some parts. Not saying he becomes a stud like Harden did, but he has the potential. 

[trelos6Participant]

Could be the next disgruntled player. Wants a max deal, Warriors think he’s a role player. 

They might be inclined to deal him for some parts. Not saying he becomes a stud like Harden did, but he has the potential. 

[DolanCareParticipant]

 The next disguntled superstar could very easily end up in Boston with their amount of young assets. Harden could have very well ended up a Celtic if Boston had this roster 3 years ago. 

[T Rex]

 above average young players get better, and older.

Show me a star, and I’ll show you a former above average young player.

James Harden wasn’t any better than Smart at the same age, and Harden was never as highly regarded as a draft prospect.

James Young was a top 1 or 2 wing in his draft class, coming out of high school. Then he stood out on a deep Kentucky team that went to the Championship. One scout this summer said that Young would have been drafted in the top 10 this year had he stayed at Kentucky for his sophomore year. Even though he was still the age of a freshman.

Young has clear star potential, and one of the sweeter jump shots for guys his size or bigger.

Rozier’s basement is looking like Jeff Teague. In fact, Rozier already looks to be about that good right now. Hello?

Kelly Olynyk is an increasingly strong and athletic point stretch center, with the same +/- numbers as big time stars. And he’s only getting stronger, wiser, and more aggressive. 

Hello? Stars? Just wait a couple months and they’ll be popping up all over the roster.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[T Rex]

 above average young players get better, and older.

Show me a star, and I’ll show you a former above average young player.

James Harden wasn’t any better than Smart at the same age, and Harden was never as highly regarded as a draft prospect.

James Young was a top 1 or 2 wing in his draft class, coming out of high school. Then he stood out on a deep Kentucky team that went to the Championship. One scout this summer said that Young would have been drafted in the top 10 this year had he stayed at Kentucky for his sophomore year. Even though he was still the age of a freshman.

Young has clear star potential, and one of the sweeter jump shots for guys his size or bigger.

Rozier’s basement is looking like Jeff Teague. In fact, Rozier already looks to be about that good right now. Hello?

Kelly Olynyk is an increasingly strong and athletic point stretch center, with the same +/- numbers as big time stars. And he’s only getting stronger, wiser, and more aggressive. 

Hello? Stars? Just wait a couple months and they’ll be popping up all over the roster.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[omphalosParticipant]

 I’d much rather have Perry Jones III than Evan Turner, so it sucks that he’s pretty much on the outs.

Jones figures to be a much better, more versatile defender while also having upside as a more efficient, better version of Jeff Green.

He had good moments with OKC where he flashed his potential, notably guarding Lebron well during a matchup in KDs MVP year and carrying the team briefly when Durant and Westbrook were both out.

Instead you get Turner, who has shown he can’t function on a good team (Pacers), has t-rex arms, questionable outside shooting and is older with less upside.

Boo.

 

 

 

[omphalosParticipant]

 I’d much rather have Perry Jones III than Evan Turner, so it sucks that he’s pretty much on the outs.

Jones figures to be a much better, more versatile defender while also having upside as a more efficient, better version of Jeff Green.

He had good moments with OKC where he flashed his potential, notably guarding Lebron well during a matchup in KDs MVP year and carrying the team briefly when Durant and Westbrook were both out.

Instead you get Turner, who has shown he can’t function on a good team (Pacers), has t-rex arms, questionable outside shooting and is older with less upside.

Boo.

 

 

 

[T Rex]

 Turner is pretty clutch though. He’s not amazing, but he’s pretty reliable.

Turner was a starter on a playoff team last year that finished the season 24-12, with Turner scoring 3 triple doubles over that time. 

PJ3 couldn’t even perform in practice, by his own admission.

PJ3 needs a tanking team like the 76ers where he can develop, but Turner at the very least is a quality back up at 2-3 positions.

 

 

[T Rex]

 Turner is pretty clutch though. He’s not amazing, but he’s pretty reliable.

Turner was a starter on a playoff team last year that finished the season 24-12, with Turner scoring 3 triple doubles over that time. 

PJ3 couldn’t even perform in practice, by his own admission.

PJ3 needs a tanking team like the 76ers where he can develop, but Turner at the very least is a quality back up at 2-3 positions.

 

 

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

 is it me or does sullinger look really fat this preseason?

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

 is it me or does sullinger look really fat this preseason?

[XYRYXParticipant]

I haven’t seen Sully in good shape for 2 1/2 years now. I know it’s easy to point at him and think Big Baby Davis but honestly I really both of this guys could be or could have been very good if they would show more professionalism there. 

I know T-Rex doesn’t want to hear this but Olynik and Smart don’t look top shape too. I’m questioning either the coaching staff for this or this guys are just the kind of players who like carrying a couple of pounds more than necessary. Olynik is playing good so far and might really have a nice year but I have seen forwards in better shape than Sully and Olynik. 

[T Rex]

 Olynyk is in top shape, and is in now way similar to Sully either in conditioning, work ethic, or other intangibles.

Olynyk is moving quicker than ever, to the point where he’s a pretty good help defender and not even that bad guarding power forwards one on one. And he’s added as much muscle as he could.

Now you try to call him fat and compare him to Sully, but a year ago, or even three weeks, you were probably saying Olynyk isn’t strong enough to play center.

Smart just has a husky build. So does Sully, but Smart works hard in the offseason.

Does This Look Out Of Shape to you? http://www.youtube.com/watch

I didn’t think so.

One thing about husky/big boned prospects that people have great difficulty understanding: If you think they are going to maintain their pre-draft weight for their entire careers, your expectations are simply way too high.

Smart weighed 227 at his pre-draft combine at age 20. I always here people saying Smart should lose 5-10 lbs. They don’t even think for two seconds about how realistic, or even wise that is, or the fact that at 20-22 years old all these guys are still filling out/physically maturing.

People just make up arbitary weight goal posts, and then bash the player if they don’t turn anorexic to meet their clueless demands.

A 227 lb 20 year old is going to fill out into at least a 235 lb player. 

Even with Sully, even his biggest supporters would say that he should get down to 250, without even considering whether that’s at all realistic.

It’s the same thing with Jabari Parker. Dude weighed 254 lbs at his Cavs workout before his draft, at age 19. Why the F would people just assume that he’s going to weigh less than that throughout his career?

That’s one reason Jabari was overrated, is because people had completely unrealistic expectations that he could/would maintain his weight at 19 years old all throughout his 20s.

Just stupid. Realistically, Jabari was always going to be a 260 lb+ guy, which is why the small forward position was always unrealistic. 

Big, husky 19-20 year olds don’t just stop gaining weight at 20 y.o., no matter how many bad talent evaluators say so.

Sully probably weighs 300 lbs right now, at least, because he hardly makes an effort to control it. But that doesn’t mean that he could weigh 250, or even 260, just by working hard and eating better.

So the next time a big boned, husky draft prospect comes along, don’t just assume they’ll stay the same weight they are at 19 years old. More likely than not, it never had a chance of happening.

Justise Winslow has the same big boned/husky body type as Smart. Assuming Winslow was always going to maintain the weight and athleticism he displayed as a freshman was never realistic, especially since Winslow’s weight ballooned up in the summer before his freshman year. That was a big red flag that his body weight was quickly headed to the 230s or even 240s, even though he got back in top shape during his freshman season and weighed in at 225 at the Combine.

I bet Winslow weighs 234 right now, and he clearly has lost a step. All of it was entirely predictable.

And that’s why the John Wall comparison for Mudiay never made sense, since it was based on Mudiay’s athleticism as a 17 year old who hadn’t filled out yet.

David Lee looks chubby to me, and some Knicks fans noticed it more than me or my fellow Celtics fans. Hopefully Lee can get into great shape, but I’m not going to just expect it to happen.

Smart can still be a great player at 232-235 lbs, it just means he shouldn’t be guarding guys who weigh 30-40-50 lbs less than him for the entire game. Nor should he be expected to blow past 180 lb point guards just because Smart has point guard skills.

In his 30s, Smart may even end up playing mostly small forward. Crowder isn’t much taller, longer, or stronger, and he’s a pretty good defensive SF.

As far as Olynyk, I’m thrilled he’s been able to gain as much weight as he had. It means that long-term he’s going to be plenty strong to at least compete as a starting center, even if he always plays more of a finesse style game.

Sully’s just self-destructing from his own entitlement issues, even if most of the weight expectations people had for him were never realistic.

 

 

 

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 I honestly can’t wait for Jabari to break out this season and be an All Star within the next 2 seasons… That should quiet the beast.

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 I honestly can’t wait for Jabari to break out this season and be an All Star within the next 2 seasons… That should quiet the beast.

[T Rex]

 Olynyk is in top shape, and is in now way similar to Sully either in conditioning, work ethic, or other intangibles.

Olynyk is moving quicker than ever, to the point where he’s a pretty good help defender and not even that bad guarding power forwards one on one. And he’s added as much muscle as he could.

Now you try to call him fat and compare him to Sully, but a year ago, or even three weeks, you were probably saying Olynyk isn’t strong enough to play center.

Smart just has a husky build. So does Sully, but Smart works hard in the offseason.

Does This Look Out Of Shape to you? http://www.youtube.com/watch

I didn’t think so.

One thing about husky/big boned prospects that people have great difficulty understanding: If you think they are going to maintain their pre-draft weight for their entire careers, your expectations are simply way too high.

Smart weighed 227 at his pre-draft combine at age 20. I always here people saying Smart should lose 5-10 lbs. They don’t even think for two seconds about how realistic, or even wise that is, or the fact that at 20-22 years old all these guys are still filling out/physically maturing.

People just make up arbitary weight goal posts, and then bash the player if they don’t turn anorexic to meet their clueless demands.

A 227 lb 20 year old is going to fill out into at least a 235 lb player. 

Even with Sully, even his biggest supporters would say that he should get down to 250, without even considering whether that’s at all realistic.

It’s the same thing with Jabari Parker. Dude weighed 254 lbs at his Cavs workout before his draft, at age 19. Why the F would people just assume that he’s going to weigh less than that throughout his career?

That’s one reason Jabari was overrated, is because people had completely unrealistic expectations that he could/would maintain his weight at 19 years old all throughout his 20s.

Just stupid. Realistically, Jabari was always going to be a 260 lb+ guy, which is why the small forward position was always unrealistic. 

Big, husky 19-20 year olds don’t just stop gaining weight at 20 y.o., no matter how many bad talent evaluators say so.

Sully probably weighs 300 lbs right now, at least, because he hardly makes an effort to control it. But that doesn’t mean that he could weigh 250, or even 260, just by working hard and eating better.

So the next time a big boned, husky draft prospect comes along, don’t just assume they’ll stay the same weight they are at 19 years old. More likely than not, it never had a chance of happening.

Justise Winslow has the same big boned/husky body type as Smart. Assuming Winslow was always going to maintain the weight and athleticism he displayed as a freshman was never realistic, especially since Winslow’s weight ballooned up in the summer before his freshman year. That was a big red flag that his body weight was quickly headed to the 230s or even 240s, even though he got back in top shape during his freshman season and weighed in at 225 at the Combine.

I bet Winslow weighs 234 right now, and he clearly has lost a step. All of it was entirely predictable.

And that’s why the John Wall comparison for Mudiay never made sense, since it was based on Mudiay’s athleticism as a 17 year old who hadn’t filled out yet.

David Lee looks chubby to me, and some Knicks fans noticed it more than me or my fellow Celtics fans. Hopefully Lee can get into great shape, but I’m not going to just expect it to happen.

Smart can still be a great player at 232-235 lbs, it just means he shouldn’t be guarding guys who weigh 30-40-50 lbs less than him for the entire game. Nor should he be expected to blow past 180 lb point guards just because Smart has point guard skills.

In his 30s, Smart may even end up playing mostly small forward. Crowder isn’t much taller, longer, or stronger, and he’s a pretty good defensive SF.

As far as Olynyk, I’m thrilled he’s been able to gain as much weight as he had. It means that long-term he’s going to be plenty strong to at least compete as a starting center, even if he always plays more of a finesse style game.

Sully’s just self-destructing from his own entitlement issues, even if most of the weight expectations people had for him were never realistic.

 

 

 

[XYRYXParticipant]

I haven’t seen Sully in good shape for 2 1/2 years now. I know it’s easy to point at him and think Big Baby Davis but honestly I really both of this guys could be or could have been very good if they would show more professionalism there. 

I know T-Rex doesn’t want to hear this but Olynik and Smart don’t look top shape too. I’m questioning either the coaching staff for this or this guys are just the kind of players who like carrying a couple of pounds more than necessary. Olynik is playing good so far and might really have a nice year but I have seen forwards in better shape than Sully and Olynik. 

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