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Would it make sense for Boston both financially and for the sake of winning a championship to draft Fultz or Ball whichever they think will be the better pg and move IT to the supersub role? It sounds crazy at 1st but when you really think about it if they draft either guard which both have great size for the position and would need to play to get to their full potential. You would be moving Avery Bradley who's a great defender to the bench to start a young guard with little defense with 5'9 IT on a team with no rim protection.

IT had a great season but I just don't see them winning a championship with him as the star of the team because at the end of the day he can only do so much at his size. I just don't see why you would move Bradley to the bench and have him and Smart come off the bench together it would be counterproductive. I just believe you will save cap space when it's time to negotiate with IT if he's your 6th man and it increases your teams odds of winning a championship by fielding a more even roster.

If you don't bring him off the bench you really can't trade him because you wouldn't get the value he means to the team. So what would you guys do if you were the celtics?


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I said last year that the

I said last year that the best role for IT is in a 6th man role and got killed for it. But the fact of the mattter is you can't win a championship with him as your starting PG. he is too much of a liability.

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You keep the damn pick! You

You keep the damn pick! You don't pass up on 1st overall talent ever. Unless Jackson comes out of nowhere, and Ball/Fultz (Lets be real, we know its going to be Fultz1 Ball 2) are draft 1st overall, that would only be the joining this list:

Kyrie Irving

John Wall

Derrek Rose

Allen Iverson

Magic Johnson

The last 5 point guards drafted 1st overall. That's not bad company, and if either of them can play at a level even near these guys, they are worth keeping.

I think you start Brown next year, and have Crowder come off the bench. Keep IT and Bradley starting just to wean Fultz into a role before he takes one of their jobs. I think all of these lineups could see major time next year:

It/FultzCrowder

Fultz/Bradley/Brown

It/Fultz/Brown

Notice who's missing from that guard rotation? I love Smart, but if his minutes have to go to Fultz, than they just have to. Jalen has proven he's worth keeping around, and has dynamic offensive and defensive potential. I think the Fultz/Bradley/Brown lineup is going to be the best one moving foward. It has size, athleticism, shooting, slashing, passing, and cutting. Everything you could ask for. Brown needs to develope a better handle, but I think that's his biggest focus thi offseason.

I'm really excited about a Fultz/Brown foundation. Keep the pick, draft the player, and figure out what moves are best to help to team going foward.

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I really don't see any

I really don't see any positive scenario with Smart not getting minutes as he brings things that don't show in the box score but makes plenty of inspirational and winning plays. He plays with a grit that every team would love to have on their side but it's very annoying when he isn't on your side

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Smart leads the league in FPG

Smart leads the league in FPG - Flops per Game. If he cuts those out, he'd be a much better player. He's too talented to be doing that rubbish.

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Don't know how

you say you never pass on the #1 pick. Anthony Bennett, Greg Oden, heck even Wiggins to some degree are guys that if you trade the number one pick for a proven star you win the deal.

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Rozier would also be out of

Rozier would also be out of this rotation. I have no problem with guard depth but I'm not a fan of uneven roster, and without a nice big accusation or two that's what this would be.

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The Roster isn't uneven

The Roster isn't uneven though, if anything drafting Fultz forces us to make moves/decisions. Next offseason all of IT/Bradley/Smart are free agents. That means we get 1 full year to watch these guys play, and decide which two will stay.

Personally, I agree with the OP. If Fultz comes out, can give us like 12/3/3 off the bench and show signs of becoming an average defender, than you sit down with IT, and say "Look, we love you. You're someone who has proven us time and time again that stats can't measure heart, and your a Boston Celtic to your core. But for this team to make that final jump, we need you to come off the bench." If his pride is too much, and he wants 30 mil a year, I honestly think you just let him walk, and sign AB and Smart. It would piss off so many fans, but it would be the right thing to do in the long run. That, or sign and trade him if you could.

Horford- Zizec

Olynyk- Yabs

Brown- Crowder

AB- Smart

Fultz-Rozier

That's a good looking team right there, and I see no uneven balance with it. We obviously need more frontcourt depth, but having Big Al, resigning Olynyk (only if he comes at >20mil), and Zizec coming over is a good start.

Zizic is a player Celtic fans are really excited too, and we think he has the potential to be our 1st big off the bench this year, and give us great contributions by year 2. He played great this year, and was coached by David Blatt, who you know was in his ear about what he needs to do at the next level. If he's anything like this current batch of Euro bigmen (Zubac, Nurkic, Jokic, Zingis, ect.) than we have ourselves a nice little backup center.

If IT truly is a Celtic at heart, and comes off the bench, that makes things a lot easier. You make him the highest paid bench player, and then you ask AB or Smart to take a paycut. Whichever one does, will be our starting SG next year.

Horford-Zizec

Olynyk

Brown-Crowder

Smart-Roz

Fultz-IT

Now that team is awesome, and would really just be a solid all-around PF away from giving the Cavs a nice run (Blake Griffen?)

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Regarding the OP, there's

Regarding the OP, there's simply zero chance that IT will go from a top 5-7 MVP candidate to accepting a bench role a year or two later. It's just not going to happen.

Likewise, there's simply zero chance Boston offers anywhere close to the super-max for a bench player. It's just not going to happen.

There are three paths here:

1. Re-sign IT to a near super-max deal and he remains your starting guard.

2. Trade IT before he hits free agency.

3. Let IT walk.

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Wouldn't be surprised if

Wouldn't be surprised if Ainge traded IT. Especially if we get swept by Cleveland. His value is as high as it's ever been . I dont believe Ainge is going to give IT a max contract. Ainge is a forward thinker. This is the same man that said if he was the GM of the Celtics in the 80`s and 90's that he would've traded Larry Bird.

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Rim protection

Our problem is we have too many guys that play the same role.

Ex. Olynk and horford. Both don't rebound particularly well. Both are perimeter based.

Smart /Bradley . Both play def . But not dynamic scorers.

Brown/Crowder. Both are good glue guys . But none are dynamic scorers.

In my opinion. We need a dominant rebounder /shoot blocker. And we need a dynamic scorer. To get to the next level we cannot depend on a 5`9 guard to be our best offensive option. With that being said. I believe Brown has the potential to be that scorer. A lineup of Brown Fultz. IT Olynk ( assuming horford will be gone in the next 2 or 3 years.) And a Gobert/Drummond/Dwight Howard type.,( Some one who is there to rebound, block shots, catch alley hoops and offensive put backs ) would be perfect for us going further. Cause like I've been saying for months, Crowder, Bradley and Smart are very very very good players. But they are not great and they are better suited to come off the bench . Now all of this depends on how much Brown and Olynk work on and improve on their games. ( Cause I still believe olynk has the potential to be better).

Starting 5

Pg. IT

Sg. Fultz

Sf. Brown

Pf. Olynk

C. Gobert/Drummond/Howard type of player. This is all with the assumption that Brown and Fultz become superstars.

Bench

Crowder

Smart

Bradley

Yanuese

I know it will hard to keep everyone. But with winning comes role players willing to come here imo r

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They need a big man star and not a PG

This was never an ideal scenario for Boston because they need a big man at this pick and have too many backcourt players that can play. They will have to package up some of these guys for a solid big man and bring Fultz off the bench. There's no big man in this draft worth trading down for. I also don't see a big man they can trade for or sign off the street that's worth it (until Blake can play an entire playoff he's not worth it). I think Boogie would be a great fit for them if they can somehow trade a few guys for him without giving up Brooklyn's picks.

The problem with the Celtics and this pick is they had it for the wrong year. With Ayton, Porter, and Bamba coming in next season I'm sure they would love to have the #1 pick then (they still might have a Top 3 pick since they have the Nets pick next season too).

For the record, just because the Celtics are getting thrashed by LeBron and Co. (like every EC team) doesn't mean IT should be delegated to the bench. Backcourt scoring or defense isn't the issue here. The issue is only IT can get his own shot and Al Horford get a silent 20 without being a force. That's it... If they can't produce off their defense the Celtics can't score. They've managed to get the #1 seed because they have a collective of players that play hard. The issue is only one player can go out and score 30-50 points if they needed to. The Cavs got 3-5 players that can go off for 30 points on any given day. Most great teams have at least two players. The Celtics legit have one and you're telling me he needs to sit on the bench for players who aren't nowhere near better than him right now? Smh...

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