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  • #67557
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     Boston at this point in time are a very good team. But is there a trade that Boston could/should do to upgrade their team THIS season, while NOT wasting any of their potentially high draft picks? I feel there might be someone that can help their second unit score a bit better.

    OR should Boston make a run at M Gasol, D Jordan, Tyson Chandler or someone else, if their current teams decide that they should blow it up, which I am guessing they might. 

    Either way, this site has quite a few Boston fans, so anyone, fan or not, have any suggestions??

     

     

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  • #1108838
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    Somebody I’m interested in is Lou Williams.  He fits into the Hayward DPE if the Clippers decide to blow it up.  The bench scoring has been shaky at times so they could use a guy that can get buckets off the bench.  Players like Gasol, DJ, and Chandler would require too much salary to trade for.  

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  • #1108839
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     I’m sure they won’t do it, but they could trade Gordon Hayward, and be the best team in the league. They’re pretty close to being the best now. They’re probably surprised to be this good today without Hayward. They could make a trade with a team that expects to lose this year and be better next year. 

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  • #1108844
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    The problem with any trade of a significant player is that the player would likely have a large salary. In order to trade for a player like that, they’d need to trade Baynes, Morris, and Smart, plus one of their young players. I can’t see them making that kind of a move to gut their roster for 33 year old Gasol or a guy like Chandler or Jordan that doesn’t fit their system. 

    At this point, the Celtics are content to wait and let their young guys develop. They have a big DPE that can be used to pick up a player who gets bought out who can help them this year, but they may rather continue to let their young guys like Rozier, Smart, Brown, and Tatum get the experience to develop. 

    The only other possibility would be if a franchise-type player shakes loose from their team, which at this point looks pretty unlikely. They’d be willing to gut their team and trade their young players for Giannis or Davis, but those guys aren’t going anywhere. 

    Ainge is probably going to take a break from trading for a while after the last 3 years. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1108845
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    The Irving move was the big trade that Boston made and they gave up a number of tradable assets to get that deal done. They also moved on a couple of players to create cap space to sign Gordon Hayward. What was left of the previous core is what Ainge wants to keep.

    They have the Hayward exception of $8 million which I figure they will surely use. Ainge could effectively find a player or couple of players to bring in and the trading team would not need to take back salary. The issue is, a legit contending team isn’t going to help Boston and a rebuilding team may not have the sort of players Ainge wants and would want an asset back.

    Things could happen if a rebuilding team was asked to be part of a trade and take on a salary dump but needed to clear cap space to do it. Ainge then takes on one of rebuilding team’s players, this uses up Hayward exception and rebuilding team can take on salary dump in the other trade for assets.

    Boston may even be waiting until teams start to waive veterans if the team is out of contention and vet would like to be on a play off team plus lottery team saves cap space with buyout or even the guy is effectively released to allow him to get to a contender.

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  • #1108846
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     They have the best record in the league — no, they shouldn’t trade anyone. If they want more scoring off the bench they can just start Smart or Rozier and bring Tatum off the bench.

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  • #1108847
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    They have the best record in the league and one of the best young cores I dont see signifigant trade coming anytime soon. With that being said Danny Ainge is predictably unpredictable if that makes sense.

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  • #1108848
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    Yeah, Boston has the best record in the league and has been at the top or near it all year long.

    So, that means one thing: You HAVE to go all in — if you can do so at a reasonable price.

    I think Marc Gasol would be a perfect fit for that thing.  He can give you some of everything on offense, help anchor a defense (along with Horford), and chip in on rebounds.  He also has 3 point range.

    Yeah, you guys are getting Hayward back next season, but if I am the Celtics I am worried about a red-hot Cavs team, that ALSO has a potentially monster pick (Nets’) in the summer of 2018.  

    So, I wanna make a big move NOW.

    Cavs, Warriors, and the Rockets which are basically three of the other top 4 teams in the league are not that great inside, so if I can throw Horford AND Marc Gasol at ’em then I am in really good shape.  Plus, you keep Baynes.  Tatum can play some small ball 4.  What a cagey front line!  

    Then I have the Philly team breathing down my neck.  Even Detroit might make things interesting if I can’t keep Andre The Giant off the boards.

    I am gonna try to get Marc Gasol if I am Boston.

    I am willing to trade Marcus Morris, Semi, that Hayward injury exception, and even Marcus Smart for Marc Gasol, Jarell Martin (power forward with good athleticism, can be a Morris Twin type player I think), and Andrew Harrison (big, steady point guard, solid on defense, basically a poor man’s Marcus Morris), plus a 2018 second round pick (if Memphis even has one).

    Boston’s new starting five has a really, really good Big Four which is pretty much a surging big five, too, of Kyrie, Jaylen Brown, Tatum, Horford, and Marc Gasol.  The bench is thinner but you still have Rozier and Baynes with Hayward coming back next year.  Andrew Harrison is a decent option as a fourth guard. Jarell Martin can play some minutes as a backup power forward — Harrison AND Martin started for the Grizzlies when we started the year off strongly.  

    There will be guys left at the deadline, so the C’s can pick up one of them.

    Another bonus: The Celtics have the Grizzlies top 8 protected 2019 first rounder, that becomes less protected in 2020, then completely unprotected in 2021 — so if the Grizzlies rebuild takes longer than expected then that pick becomes a potential gold mine.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1108854
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     I would love for the Celtics to add Gary harris. He is an underrated player who is an efficient shooter and a solid defender. He cuts well in the nuggets offense and would be an easy transition for him. I would personally give up Marcus smart or Morris for him. As much as I love smart you have to get a guy who you can count on to hit 3s to contend in the future 

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  • #1108855
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     OK lets go.

    I really like the Lou Williams idea. a professional scorer off the bench. Would fot in perfectly for Boston. I would even offer Rozier for Willams straight up.

    To the Tatum off the bench idea, I say no way. He is the perct compliment for Kyrie and Horford, Tatum is shooting as good as any in the NBA amd his presence alone keeps the lane open for Kyrie andthe others.  

    I also love Gasol to Boston. Agree with all the reasons stated above. Only thing he is 32 already, so it would depend on what Memphis would want, but Memphis should really consider breakin it up and start rebuilding. The longer they wait, the less they will get for Mark.

    No way Denver gives up G Harris for Smart straight up. but I do like Harris as well.

    I also don’t believe Tyson Chandler would cost to much. He is older and would only be good for helping a contender. Don’t think too many teams would offer much for a center as old as Chandler. BUT he would be able to help a team like Boston and or Cleveland. Just think Boston could offer a bit more for him. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1108875
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     Boston getting Marc would be similar to the Lakers getting Pau right around a decade ago.  Pau fit in well INSTANTLY.  Went to the Finals that first year, but with Bynum out they couldn’t beat Boston.  After that, Pau and the Lakers won two in a row, giving the NBA one of it’s most underrated mini-dynasties in history.

    Smart, Morris, and the Celtics pick should get it done.

    I think you have to do it if you are Boston.

    Horford and Gasol gives you an ELITE front court pairing.  Gasol was masterful with Z Bo, and is even playing well as the stand alone big on the Grizzlies currently.  Great pair, should have some awesome chemistry, too.  Baynes makes for a nice third big man.  

    Gotta worry about the Cavs — AND the Cavs getting that Nets pick.  These LeBron Cavs aren’t going ANYWHERE.  If they get Bagley/Ayton then that could extend LeBron’s title window another 3 or 4 years.

    So, Boston needs to be proactive.  Make a move that helps THIS year, AND helps in the future, since they already own a Grizzlies pick that conveys as early as 2019.  

    Another thing about Gasol, he really did well in the pick and roll game with Mike Conley.  Well, Conley lost a step (or something) and that has been scouted to death.  Now, Marc can run it with Kyrie Irving with Irving being quicker, a better shooter, finisher, younger, and just a better player overall.  

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1108878
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    Utah probably doesn’t want to help them much, but I’d be after Derrick Favors if I’m Ainge. Utah probably knows this is good a time as ever to move him after the stretch he had while Gobert was hurt and he’s been able to stay healthy. He’s much better as a 5 than a 4, and Horford still wants to be a 4 more than a 5. He’s only 26 so he also fits the age timeline. I’d offer Morris, filler contracts, and a low 1st.

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    • #1108880
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      If  am Utah,  I still think I can get more than that because the combination of a young excellent player and taking a potentially  bad contract in that should be able to get you into the lottory.  I predict Favors goes east and pulls a Paul Millsap.  All-star for a few years.  That said, maybe you try now.  

      Here is a thought:  Favors for one of Cleveland’s bad contracts plus the NJ pick.  LeBron would love this guy. You add win-now high-end talent that you could not add due to the salary cap in any other way.  For Cleveland you have to bid like that, or you risk another rebuild.  Love and Favors make an ideal fron-court pairing I believe.  

       

        

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  • #1108885
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     Favours is an interesting one and the idea of him doing a "Millsap" could happen. I wouldn’t see Cleveland giving up Brooklyn pick for him as that could potentially turn into Bagley/Ayton at this moment. If Brooklyn improved they may put it into play for someone like Favours, at the moment I think it would only be for an All Star level guy.

     

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  • #1108889
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     With Marc Gasol, I personally thought Cavs was a more natural option for him given their championship window and wanting to keep D-Wade. Thompson, Nets pick and maybe Zizic looked a fair deal IMO.

    The Celtics may be looking longer term with Brown, Tatum upside anhd getting Hayward back so giving up assets for Gasol who turns 33 soon may not be so logical. If Hayward was fit and playing then maybe go all in, but with him out they miss all this season of Gasol playing alongside him.

     

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  • #1108891
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     Im not as big on the Lou Williams idea as others are. For a team like the Clippers thats riddled with injuries and lacks scoring hes great. Give him the ball, he scores. The Celtics are doing something different though. They are trying to build a championship culture. Williams does nothing but score and for him to be effective you have to give him a chance to get hot so hes gonna jack up alot of shots that will disrupt your teams flow. Even when he defends its a very easy gaurd to beat, hes small for his size and he literally just scores. This is why he has been on 5 teams in the past 5 seasons. He is actually in a perfect position now in LA because even when healthy they run alot of stagnant offense through Griffin. When Teodosic returns it should be interesting to see if his career high 5-assists per game drops.

     

     

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  • #1108893
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     Lou Williams is a great 6th man but I don’t see him as an ideal fit for the Celtics unless they built the 2nd unit around him. Houston was literally the prefect fit for him as the Mike D’Antoni system is all about shooting and defence isn’t given such a priority.

    With the Clippers having injuries he has been getting a crazy amount of shots so I agree with Oh Canada, it will be interesting to see how he goes then. 

    Also with him being a FA next summer, any team would be reluctant to give up too much for him as he’ll have a number of suitors then for his scoring. I could see the Clips possibly looking to cash in on him if they could get a first rounder for him though.

     

     

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