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"The Boston 3 Party" Effect

It seems like when Kevin Garnett & Ray Allen teamed up with Paul Pierce, to form the trio to win a title it was all good. I'M NOT SAYING I AGREED WITH IT @ ALL, but why is it not ok for players to join forces with another superstar to try & win a title. Now that Lebron & Bosh have done the same thing it's a big deal now. No one said anything when KG & Ray Ray went to Boston, or even when Kobe lobbied for Gasol. My whole take on the situation is I wish players would be like MJ, & all the other players who won rings on teams they built from ground up. Basically the NBA has turned into a FANTASY DRAFT during the offseason which is sad.


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The way LBJ and CB4 did it was shady and ruined their legacy

they'll never be considered guys that did it the right way and players picking and choosing where they play during free agency is fine, but ruining 2 franchise or more by watering down the League's talent pool and putting all the top talent in 4 to 5 cities( Boston,LA,Miami,Orlando and Chicago with Ny trying to join the fold) I can promise that the Miami big 3 will be broken up after the new CBA is put in place...

1 thing to remember is that there are 30 owners of 30 teams...the ones with Star players are not fans of their "stars" jumping ship and joining Star Player X,Y and Z in Miami,LA,Boston or Chicago...

Years of planning and millions of dollars building franchises can be destroyed by your "Star" getting into his LBJ or Bosh bag and jumping on the bandwagon of another team...now instead of Superstars in different cities the top 10 will all be in the 5 or 6 cities I mentioned playing with other stars in the top 10...

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When Garnett joined Boston

When Garnett joined Boston ,he was among the top 5 players in the league..Pierce was in the top 15,Allen was in the top 20...All of Boston's Big 3 were in their 30's..Lebron and Wade are 2 of the 3 best players in the league..People who reaally love the game of basketball want to see those 2 face off against each other not on the same team..Unless its the AllStar team..

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honestly

people need to stop complaining the way lebron bosh and wade did it.. they still ended up on the same team. It's their LIVES, if they want to play together and win championships.. GO AHEAD.

People act as if they're pawns and don't have friends in the league. What if it's pick up ball at the rec center, and you and two other friends were the best players there, would you not be on the same team because..

1. you're first and foremost friends
or
2. you're just good at basketball.

Real people would obviously chose the first 1, and it sucks for everyone else when you and your two friends are just somehow better than most of the people at the rec center.

ALSO, i'm sorry that the celtics gave away their whole damn roster for one championship for the next... 10-20 years again?

legacy this and that, times change. kobe isn't jordan, jcole is better than drake. serriously cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it

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I hate that ruin your legacy

I hate that ruin your legacy talk once Lebron wins ppl will forget and start comparing him to jordan and kobe again

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All the guys in boston were

All the guys in boston were past their prime once they got together. Lets not play dumb here... In their primes ray allen was leading seattle, pierce was leading boston, and garnett in minneosta. Im sure did they never think to come together when they were in the mid to late 20s. Its pride. You want to win a title and beat guys like that along the way. Lebron opted "if you cant beat em join em" and no matter what happens this season or any other season, lebron will not be compared to jordan and kobe. How could he? 1 ring merits you GOAT comparisons. Sorry buddy, no dice

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I agree with RudeBoy about we

I agree with RudeBoy about we as fans want to see the best players face against eachother, but we have seen them do it for a while and now that they the three of them are on the same team, a part of me says this should be interesting and exciting to watch. I want to see how much they will sacarfice or who would take the last second shot, also I want to see how other teams play differently against them. What I'm trying to say is that maybe this Miami Heat team will help other players around the league step up and prove they belong in the league maybe as a lockdown defender or a star player.
IMO this Heat Team made everything a lot more interesting.

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KG PAU RAY

They were all TRADED. there is a difference. they had no choice in the matter anyway. 1 the sonics were looking to dump salary so they could rebuild. 2 the grizzlis and t wolves had GMs that had deep connections to their previous teams. Both situations are nothing like what happened with the heat.

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I don't get that beat em join

I don't get that beat em join em mentality. There are 29 other teams Lebron faces other star players, ppl act like he took the easy way out when teams like the lakers are a more talented team. He made his decision and took less money to win we should respect athletes who would rather win than making the most money

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it's not the same as it was

traded...to what? a team with an all star player already

they'd still leave as FA. Just like melo if he gets traded to a team he doesn't want want to go to.

trades don't mean anything, if they end up in the same situation or team at the end of the day, what's the difference?

Plus the NBA doesn't have many players that can change the game like they did in 2000.

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Boston

From what I remember Boston had Pierce. Guy should hopefully retire a Celtic. Boston had some ok teams at best, but when Antwoine Walker is your 2nd best player then you never know how good or how bad your team was going to play. The Celtics had been wanting Garnett, but he didn't want to come over because they were not going to have anything after they traded for him. Boston manages to pull of a trade of the number 5 I think (aka Jeff Green) for Ray Allen, then Garnett agrees to come over in a trade. Speaking of that trade, I do not think that Minnesota has any of those guys left. So Danny Ainge was actually the one that pulled a lot of strings to make that one work. It wasn't just those guys coming over as free agents.

Obviously the decision didn't help Lebron, as it was tasteless and in poor judgment. I think part of the issue with Lebron is he came from a good team to join a guy that was already the man on another team. And the thing with Wade is he is still in his prime. Everyone had known that Bosh had been seemingly wanting out of Toronto since he got there. Then when free agency hits he walks around chasing Wade like a lap dog. He has carried this all star status, but has no intention of wanting to carry a team. I think the biggest thing for most guys is that these guys are all pretty young, all are all stars and you kind of like seeing the competitiveness of the great players going against each other night in and night out. Super teams might be cool if say we only had 20 teams, but with the talent dropoff with some of these guys it's not as fun to watch, besides you also kind of wish every team had a big time player.

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aSk yourself 2 things

1. Who do u root for at the end of the day...What Team and type of players...

2.How does it effect your team from ever getting 1 or 2 of the Few "Elite" players in the League...

How's does a team like Golden State stand a chance to Sign a FA like Carmelo Anthony( Where he'd have a nice young supporting cast w/ a great PG and PF(Curry and Lee)6th Man(Ellis),Young Defensive Center(Biedrins) and potential high Lottery pick in 2011 to draft to The Starting SG for the future)

But none of that means jack in the new system of Star Player X and Star Player Z hooking up in one of the major markets, because he'll say No thanks Golden State...I'm going to Orlando with Dwight Howard or Chicago with Derrick Rose...Or New York with Amare

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When the NBA was most popular

When the NBA was most popular was when it had superteams in the 80s with the lakers and celtics, the 90s with the bulls and rockets and the NBA has found a rating boost in 2 of the past 3 years when the celtics and lakers play. Super teams are actually good for the league

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When the NBA was most popular

When the NBA was most popular was when it had superteams in the 80s with the lakers and celtics, the 90s with the bulls and rockets and the NBA has found a rating boost in 2 of the past 3 years when the celtics and lakers play. Super teams are actually good for the league

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Yo

"Plus the NBA doesn't have many players that can change the game like they did in 2000."

That why people don't like this Move and why the CBA will be structured to prevent it...

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Super Teams are good for the NBA

No There good for the Super Team and Ratings for those televised games...Not to good for the 24 Teams that don't have a Super Star Player and Super Team around him....

I live in a Major City and one of our sports teams won a Championship in the last 3 years...And it's laughable to think a Big Time FA will come here to Philadelphia because their ain't another superstar in place already...When if you look at the teams like the Sixers,Warriors,Kings and Ect. Ect... that are built the right way and ready for a Star to take them to great heights, they have Zero chance at the Big Names

That's garbage'

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Ray Allen was a free agent

Ray Allen was a free agent that year, who signed way before KG was traded to Boston. So it's apples to oranges when looking at how Miami clique up. Most people seem to get aggravated that the players choose their destination, rater than the traditional route of a GM putting together a team. But why? I mean if someone had a candid off the record convo with KG, Paul, and Ray and ask them would they have done this 5-6 year earlier, I think they would have all said hell yeah lets do to. Look how dominant an old Boston three party team was that first year, how awesome would it have been to see them in their mid to late 20's. That team could have possibly had maybe 2 to3 chips, and I'm not even a Boston fan.

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Super Teams

I for one, will again say, I have no problem with it. People are basically saying that a number of teams are left on the outside looking in, but is that not always the case? For as long as I have watched basketball, their were usually about 5 or 6 teams at the most that looked like they could win it all. Many of these teams were a constant in these rankings over long periods of time. Every so often, they either aged or lost players or both, that put them down the rankings and new teams up. I mean, do the math, that means about 17-20% of the teams in the league have a shot at winning. My question is, how can you make it more? It just is not going to happen. If you look at the history of the league, the only era without one or two dominant single teams in the league was the 1970's. Truly, I do not think a lot of us look back at the wide open 70's and say, "Those were the good old days." Yes, it had some amazing teams and some great moments, but the era we tend to think about seem to be with Magic, Larry and Michael. They were all dominant players, and I think we all agree that they had some teammates that were great players as well. Sometimes, it is just the luck of the draw. Listen to this:

Magic Johnson:

-Drafted by a team already featuring Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. The Lakers were 47-35 the season before he was drafted! The reason they had the first pick in the draft was due to the fact that the New Orleans Jazz (later Utah), gave the Lakers three first round picks when acquiring Gail Goodrich three years before. Gail was a great player, but talk about a lopsided deal. Another trade that took place in Magic's rookie year led to them getting the first pick in the draft, THE YEAR AFTER THEY WON A TITLE! I mean, was this a video game. Well, the pick from Cleveland turned into James Worthy and the rest is Showtime. But, was Magic not lucky enough to be on a Lakers team already featuring a dominant Center and the league MVP?

Larry Bird:

In a move that of course made history, the Celtics created their future Hall of Fame front court the Celtics traded picks 1 and 13 to the Warriors for Robert Parrish and the 3rd pick. This allowed Golden State to draft potentially dominant Center Joe Barry Carroll and the Celtics drafted PF Kevin McHale. But, how in the hell did the team with the best record in the league get the first pick in the draft? Well, Red Auerbach traded Bob McAdoo to the lowly Detroit Pistons and received a couple draft picks, one just so happening to turn into the first pick in the draft. The coaches of these Pistons? Dick Vitale (4-8), Richie Adubato (12-58). Find it hilarious. Adubato's next coaching stint came ten years later and ended after he went 2-27. I ask, how is Dick Vitale in the Basketball HOF? As a contributor, lol, come on! There has to be a more suitable candidate who did not make it until after Dick Vitale (actually, there are hundreds, but Dennis Johnson had to wait his turn so Dickie V could get in, truly sick). But, I digress. So, with the shrewd moves by Red Auerbach, Larry won a title in his second year and a couple more down the road, not to mention epic finals clashes with Magic. But I ask you, was Larry not in a lucky situation? I mean, I do not think that it was a plot that this happened (though with the crazy trades it certainly looks that way) but, with so little evidence to it being a conspiracy, I can not help but say it was just shrewd moves that paid off.

Michael Jordan:

Michael I think more than any other player just was so much more dominant than his competition that it was astounding. Wilt Chamberlain was indeed a dominant player, but only had two seasons where he brought his team to his level, and at that point he was arguably not the most dominant force in the game anymore (or even the best player on his team in 1971-72, which very well could have been Jerry West). Michael, on the other hand, was the best player on his team his entire career and the best player in the game by his third season (arguably, but 37 points per game is just ridiculous and I will go with it). It took him a while to get to the point where his team caught up to him, but one trade that of course stands out is Pippen for Polynice in 1987. No one knew Pippen would become what he did, but it is safe to say that had Pippen not become the faithful sidekick, who is to say Michael Jordan would have won as he did? Would Olden Polynice have become a dominant Center with the Bulls? One has to think not. The Bulls also had Toni Kukoc, who basically was Lamar Odom with a jump shot and a little less help on the boards. Phil Jackson obviously is the master mind that turned them into winners. Chicago had never won a championship before Michaels arrival, and they won 6 with him, the most dominant franchise in the 90's bar none because of that. During that time, their were good teams, but no team seemed to really push the Bulls to the brink, though the Knicks and Pacers got close one time each during the Bulls 6 years of greatness. But, Michael was pretty lucky to be in his situation. He also came back from serious surgery to score 63 points against Boston in the play-offs, so on and so on. He was lucky to be a Bull, and while he might have been as great on another franchise, the odds are that had Michael been drafted by the Blazers, he more than likely had not have had the same career.

Well, this is just an outline of 3 great players who I feel were on teams that could have been considered super teams. Clearly the 72-10 Bulls were a super team, their is no other explaination for their dominance. The NBA did not take a year off, Michael was the best player in the game and they constructed a team that excelled in every aspect of basketball, defense, rebounding and even shooting especially (Michael shot 43% from 3 that year, while making 1.4 per game. Ridiculous.) I guess my ultimate point is, that while never so shrewdly constructed as literally tearing a team together and building around 3 star players all in their prime, the Super team is not an entirely new concept. It just so happens that this was constructed in a much more deliberate format. This being said, the Lakers managed to build a couple of super teams in this past decade with few people really batting an eyebrow at how the team was constructed. Kobe being as amazing as he was had to be somewhat of a surprise, but signing Shaquille O'Neal and than his trade leading to the eventual acquisition of Lamar Odom and Pau Gasol, not to mention signing Ron Artest to a deal below value, that my friends is a super team constructed to Phil Jackson's dreams. Any team that would have gotten one of these guys would be in a major market and more than likely would have to convince them they could beat the Lakers. Not to mention, the Celtics, Magic, maybe even Mavericks all have numerous All-Star level players. While Larry and Magic's teams competed vigorously while the two were in their primes, Michael Jordan somehow played in a time where no group of players really tried to take a shot at him by joining forces. Was it because of competitive spirit, ego, collective bargaining? All are possibilities, but I personally think it is incredibly fun when teams try and get to the highest level of talent possible, and right now I think the Lakers set the bar. The fact that the Heat, Celtics and other teams are in a position to possibly reach it should make this the most interesting season we have had in a while. I think it is clear that while everyone believes players should have loyalty to the team that drafts you, but how far does that loyalty have to go? Why can someone not go out and try and create a situation they would be happiest in? If this is a super team, so be it. I still think teams have chances, and their is always a draft, lottery and free agency to turn around teams luck. But, honestly, all it takes is being in the right place at the right time, and for many teams that has happened more often than others.

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^^^Very well written

^^^Very well written

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As Mikey pointed out Red

As Mikey pointed out Red Auerbach was a master wheeler dealer trading on established players for future draft picks which helped shape Boston's 80's legacy. He may well have repeated the trick but for the Len Bias tragedy as Len could surely have helped Bird and McHale prolong their effectiveness and then become a future point for the Celtics to rebuild around.

Everyone was on Danny Ainge's case especially after turning down Brandon Roy in 2006 but he gambled and the Celtics have won one Championship, two Conference Titles and a couple of Divisonal titles since and are equipted to start rebuilding in 2 years time when Ray Allen, KG, Shaq and JO all expire. Till then they will try to remain a competitor knowing that if things don't work out that next summer all the above will be expiring deals for 2012 so become trade bait.

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