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Bosh wlll reportedly stay with Heat

Woj reporting Bosh will sign a 5 year max deal to stay with the Heat. Thoughts?


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Why? Does he want to lose?

Why? Does he want to lose? Houston would have been insane with Bosh, Dwight, Parsons, and Harden

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He would have never got the

He would have never got the ball. Those players don't pass.

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Wow I respect Bosh a lot more

Wow I respect Bosh a lot more now. Someone who will actually stick with his team when things get tough.

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He had 118 million reasons to

He had 118 million reasons to do so.

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As a Rockets fan I hope this

As a Rockets fan I hope this is true. I felt like going after Bosh and giving up Parsons was the wrong thing to do from the beginning. Why give up your only small forward for an older power forward when you already have two good and young power forwards on the team?

As far as the heat go... its interesting for sure. I think Bosh will definitely step up and put up better numbers but they still need a starting 3 (maybe deng?) and Bosh would be more effective if they had a starting 5 as well. They have more work to do but they could still end up being a really solid team... Or they could end up being mediocre with two overpriced "superstars" looking more like the Nets..

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The Rockets were going to

The Rockets were going to sign Bosh and match on Parsons so they wouldn't be choosing one over the other they'd have had both.

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Good on him. He can prove

Good on him. He can prove himself as a #1 option again

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Clearly he only cares about

Clearly he only cares about the money. Smart move financially on his part and he already has two rings.

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Definitely not about the

Definitely not about the money. Houston was offering 22$ mil a year. If the report is 5 yrs for 118$ mil from Miami then that's only about 1.5$mil more a year. Houston would've been a better fit especially if parsons was retained but if he stays in Miami he'll be the #1 guy and they'll have money to bring in other good players. Maybe he really likes Miami and Pat Riley obviously can make some moves.

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You do realize he took a paycut to come to Miami and he was willing to take another paycut if Lebron came back. People loved the Houston idea and I think he would have been a great fit, just not sure they would have won anything. Might as well get the money, the extra year of security, and south beach. I would assume they will still put out a competitive team in the East since they still have money, but things still rest on Wade as far as what they end up being able to do in free agency and during the season.

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It's not that big of a

It's not that big of a difference and I think once you factor in taxes he probably would've ended up getting a little more going to Houston.

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If he does

Can't wait to tune into first clev vs heat game.

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Beyond the view from Bosh's

Beyond the view from Bosh's view, what the hell is Miami doing? Bosh and Wade maxed out for 4-5 years? That is NBA HELLLL and you aren't beating anyone in the playoffs.

Rebuild and move on. Don't blame Bosh, he's taking $$$

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Bosh is still an elite

Bosh is still an elite player. People are acting like LeBron had NO help this year. They ran into a better team in the finals. It happens. Bosh and Wade is still a formidable duo in the East.. Let's see what moves they finish with this offseason. I wouldn't count them out yet.

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Formidable as in like the 4-5

Formidable as in like the 4-5 seed in the East? I actually don't mind this move though. Bosh/Wade leading the Heat would be cool to see if only to see how the adjust without LeBron.

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Yeah, they're still a top 4

Yeah, they're still a top 4 team in the east. That's formidable imo. The east is getting better. Most people here scoff at that but its better to be competitive than to just tank, especially when youre a team that attracts top FA like miami. They can quickly rebuild.

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I personally guarantee Miami

I personally guarantee Miami won't be a top 4 team in the East.

LeBron did so much for that team, and Wade sits out 30 games. A lot of thier role players will be gone too.

I think they will make the playoffs, but blowing a team up is much smarter than being a "fringe playoff team". This is trying to patch things up without the main key. No, LeBron didn't do everything, but he accounted for so much Wade and Bosh are in for a rude awakening.

Bosh will get more shots and much more opportunity, but LeBron was SOOOO MUCH of what the Heat did.

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Miami has a lot of cap space

Miami has a lot of cap space now, they can make serious moves from today until the end of offseason and even up to the deadline. Even more, I think you're sleeping on how effective Bosh can be as your first option. I'm not gonna say they definitely will be a top 4 team, but don't think I'll forget your guarantee come April haha.

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Also, as far as blowing it up

Also, as far as blowing it up being the better move, I dont think thats the case when youre a top FA destination that just came off 4 finals appearances. For a small market, sure. But the draft is mostly a gamble wheras free agency you can at least make a run at a top guy who is proven. Yeah you might miss out, but you can still pay solid players and fill out your roster and compete.

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They could go all in on Lance

They could go all in on Lance or Monroe and still have a ton of roster spots to fill out. So yeah I could see them being a decent East team. I just want to see how Bosh and Wade are going to do playing in their old roles.

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So Luol Deng or Trevor Ariza

So Luol Deng or Trevor Ariza are going to make them a contender? No.

I'm not sleeping on Bosh - when he actually played inside and rebounded, his team was usually in the lottery.

Now he's a 3 point shooter that was dependent on LeBron in many ways. I'm not saying individually he won't succeed, but there is no evidence he can carry a team to anything meaningful.

What does coming off 4 finals appearances matter? LeBron got them there 4 times, and he is gone. What you are missing is, there are no top Free Agents to sign this year or next year. And no smart "big" free agent is signing with a team that has Bosh and Wade locked up with big salaries into their mid 30s. Free agent talk is pie in the sky. Just because they got LeBron doesn't mean they are going to get Durant. How did the whole "We're a destination team with cap space" work out for the Lakers this summer? They were a non-factor.

Not one person who watched the 2014 Finals would believe in a team lead by Bosh and Wade.

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So its a better move for

So its a better move for them, right now to just blow everything up? I don't think so. Especially when the Cavs have two of their future first rounders. Only one team wins every year, just because you aren't getting to the finals doesn't mean you aren't successful. It's better to be a perrenial playoff team than to just be a bottom feeder that gambles on draft picks. Look at the Spurs. They've bounced around from top to mid seeds and retooled and keep winning. When you have a winning culture, you're a lot more successful historically than just bottoming out and hoping that your pick is a Kevin Durant or LeBron James. Come on. ESPECIALLY when you are Miami. This isn't Milwaukee we're talking about.

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No, actually the Spurs tanked

No, actually the Spurs tanked the 1997 season and picked two of the greatest late first/2nd round picks and that created their dynasty.

Comparing them to the Heat without LeBron is just stupid. It's like if the Spurs lost Duncan in 2006.

I don't know what team you follow, but I follow the Bulls and there is nothing more frustrating then seasons where the team is good and you have literally no chance at winning the title. That's NBA hell. And that's exactly where Miami is without James.

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Really? That's more

Really? That's more frustrating than following a perennial bottom feeder? Since you follow the Bulls you probably don't know how it feels, but I can assure you following a tanking, losing franchise is much more frustrating than being a fan of a team that is in contention and at least has a chance of advancing in the playoffs. The draft is such a gamble. Fans of Minnesota and the Kings will tell you. They'd much rather be in your position. Why do you think fanbases like Toronto get so excited when they finally make a playoff berth?

And you're not getting what I'm saying about San Antonio. I'm not comparing their teams or their situations. I'm just saying its better for your franchise to stay competitive than it is to blow it up. Tim and Manu are old as dirt and showed signs of regression from 2009-2012(moreso Tim). They were getting knocked out of the playoffs in the first and second rounds back then. They could have decided to pack it in but look where they are now after retooling and managing their team and their minutes smarter and more efficiently.

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I would rather have

I would rather have management that understands the goal is winning a championship and if the best way to do that is to be bad, so be it. There is no road map for winning a title by locking up Bosh and Wade for the next 4 years.

Of course you need luck, of course you are probably going to have to play somwhere that is half way desirable to free agents. But do you know what the 2017 Heat are going to look like if they re-up Bosh and Wade long term? The 2014 Lakers.

Yes, the draft is a gamble, but instead of looking at Minnesota or Sacramento, how does OKC or San Antonio feel? Do you think OKC is mad they broke up the Allen-Lewis-Barry-Mason core that had no shot of going anywhere in the playoffs, or are they happy with the whole bottom out thing? Is San Antonio happy they gave up on the 1997 season? You are looking at the negative examples, not the positive. Aren't you at least intrigued by the fact Philly has MCW, Saric, Noel, and Embiid, and will almost certainly have a top 5 pick next year?

Every situation is unique. I think we can all reasonably agree that unless Miami signs Kevin Durant, they aren't going to win a title during the duration of Bosh and Wade's contracts. Hence why I think they are stupid. I'm not saying blindly the "shouldn't try to compete", I'm saying locking up 2 guys on the wrong side of 30 who looked god awful in the Finals, and were shaky overall in the last 2 playoffs. Bosh is a very good player. But I think he found his niche in Miami, and he ended up becoming such a niche player, expecting him to be a star now is foolish. If it was just him, at a reasonable amount, and Wade for the MLE, this would be a different story. This is hand cuffing you for the next 4 years with diminishing returns. Don't forget, Wade just sat out 30 games this season, carried no burden on a night to night basis, got guarded by the opposing team's 2nd best wing defender, and still sucked in the Finals. I don't see the logic behind THIS situation, not every team trying to compete.

The San Antonio situation is different for a number of reasons. The year they lost in the first round to I believe Phoenix (The Dragic coming out party), they could have absolutely packed it in. But there are some major difference here. Since that one time, 3 out of 4 times they have had the best record in the West. This isn't some fringe playoff team. The Memphis loss in 2011 was bad, but still, that was a 60 win team that caught a bad matchup and had an injury they couldn't overcome. They also didn't sign Duncan and Parker to 80 million deals in 2010. Both of those guys make a modest amount and have had cap room. They also got somewhere between the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd best player in a draft with the 15th pick. They also aren't dependent on Duncan, Parker, or Ginobli on a nightly basis to be great. They also have one of the deepest teams we have ever seen, one of the most balanced teams we have ever seen, run one of the most unique systems of all time, and have one of the 4 best coaches of all time. Let's not even pretend to compare this Miami team, with NO LeBron to that. San Antonio never depended on anyone, even Duncan at his peak the way the Heat were leaning on LeBron this season. And they didn't lose any of their key parts throughout this entire run, just compiled more and more quality players.

Managing minutes smarter sounds good, but how are the Heat going to do that? With Granger and Cole playing starter level minutes? The Heat don't have the personnel, plain and simple.

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By all means, most times I

By all means, most times I agree with bottoming out and trying to rebuild with the draft. For most teams, I think that's an effective strategy when you're devoid of talent that can place you in the deeper rounds of the playoffs. But Miami again is in a different situation. They have a lot of cap space and can still make moves this offseason to be competitive. They probably won't win a title, but I commnd them for at least giving it a shot with 2 perennial all stars leading the way who lets not forget had very effective seasons up until the finals. I see where you're coming from, but for now, especially when they have Wade they HAVE to pay who won't want to be a part of a tanking situation, it's smarter for them to keep going at it as long as they can. if they end up looking like the 2014 lakers? So be it! then they're in the same position they would be if they started to tank now! Miami is not ready to tank, they have other plans. but again, I see where you're coming from because I love when teams are smart enough to realize the core they have in place just isn't good enough. of course I love what the 76ers are doing, the Magic, Bucks, etc. But those are completely different situations. Those teams didn't have the opportunity to keep around 2 top 20 talents when healthy in Bosh and Wade. Good debate though.

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I just don't see the whole

I just don't see the whole Bosh/Wade thing leading you anywhere. Good enough professionals to get you in the playoffs in this East? Yes. But there aren't free agents in this class that will move the needle for Miami. A team that WITH LeBron James just suffered the greatest beatdown in Finals history, has ZERO chance at winning a title without him.

Don't underestimate how much LeBron helped Bosh and Wade when you look at their stats. Lots of open and easy looks for both of them. Losing Allen and probably Birdman will hurt too. Those guys are old, but they helped.

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Again. I understand that. You

Again. I understand that. You think I don't know how much LeBron makes a difference to a team? Believe me I do. A championship will most likely not come. But at least they can be competitive. They were keeping Wade either way. They can keep a top 20 player in Bosh. Their picks are owned by CLEVELAND right now. And even if it is protected. Tanking is not the right move, in my opinion. At the very least consider how &$#%#&@! the Miami fanbase would feel if the Cavs came into their arena and steamrolled them. I guarantee they want to at least give it a few more shots. Or at least thats how I would feel if I were Miami.

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I guess he likes the weather,

I guess he likes the weather, and the $$$

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Bosh and Wade

Bosh and Wade are still good enough for the the 3 seed in the East. Plus Miami has a ton of cash to spend. Maybe they offer Parsons or make a late run at Melo? At least they have options and cap space.

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Houston looks stupid that's

Houston looks stupid that's what they get for burning the sixers.

if they don't get melo

they need to sign as many 2 way players as possible that fit their system.

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Miami has to spend the money

Miami has to spend the money on someone so it isn't a bad idea because they need a star to build around. Wade will miss a lot of the next few seasons and they need someone to play through and Bosh will be the man in south beach. They won't be winning any more titles any time soon, but they'll be able to fill other holes in free agency and won't be near as bad as people think. Bosh also loved playing in Miami so it's always nice to have your allstar WANT to be there for the rest of his career.

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I doubt that Bosh would be

I doubt that Bosh would be that motivated by money given what he has already earned in his NBA career to date. Fair play to him for not jumping ship as well when LeBron decided to return to the Cavs. It had been heavily rumoured that if LeBron didn't return that Bosh was off to Houston with D12, Harden and co.

It will be interesting to see what sort of stats Bosh puts up as a true focal point of the team, he maybe sacrificed his peak scoring years to become part of the big 3.

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What's the real

What's the real disappointment in all this, is how fun to watch that Houston team would have been.

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I guess Bosh's contract will

I guess Bosh's contract will be ugly in his second-third year. But in 2017, with the TV deal renegotiated and the cap going up to $80 million as some suggest, it will be more sustainable. They are probably going all in on Deng now, so they can be at least a playoff contender for two years and then plan for their future when they'll have more cap space. And it's probably the best scenario, once a dinasty ends. Destroying everything to get a superstar in the future is not gonna work, ask the Lakers how much attractive you are to top free agents when your teams is awful and you have nothing to build on.

The Rockets are probably the biggest losers in this free agency, they saved cap space to hunt one of the top free agents and wanted to bring back Chandler Parsons too, but they ended up missing their targets (unless Melo goes there) and they made their team worse, losing flexibility and assets. They got rid of Asik and Lin, but they didn't replace them with anyone whose value is even close, they lost a 1st round pick in the trade for Lin and now if they sign Parsons back they will have little cap space for the next few seasons and a weaker roster. It also shows how running a team well is important, but in the end luck is such a big part. Morey is very good and he did a great job during the last few years, but he lost this bet on free agency and the situation got worse (thought it doesn't necessarily mean it got terribly bad). Cleveland was run really poorly in the last few years, but they got 3 first overall picks in 4 years and LeBron decided to go back there even if their owner did everything possible to piss him off, so now they're in a great position now, even if they're not a contender right away at least to be one in a few years.

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Yeah, its a good thing that

Yeah, its a good thing that LeBron guy left Miami. He was such a detriment to all the guys around him with the whole "The entire defense is trying to stop me" thing...

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