Bosh Trade Options
I think it is safe to say that the Heat are playing their best basketball of the year without Bosh on the floor. All of this is hypothetical but if Bosh comes back and they lose in the Finals, I think the Heat trade Bosh. As of now, the Heat are going to be hard for anyone to beat. They could keep this core and use Bosh to get some peices to fill in the blanks.
I think the reason Bosh is an issue is because Wade and James know he is a top 10-15 player in the league and they try too hard to get him involved. They need a player that can provide what Bosh is giving them but they feel comfortable not passing the ball too.. Here are a couple of options.
I think this helps the Nuggets get a guy that is a clear 1st option for thier team of role playes to fit with. Bosh would be an instant 25+ point scorer and would have a great team to play with. Playing with McGee and Fields would allow Bosh to worry about scoring. A guard like Ty Lawson and shooters like Aflallo and Gallo would relieve lots of pressure from Bosh in the post too.
It helps the Heat because they get 3 guys that fit. Harrington can provide the mid-deep range threat that Bosh gave them without Lebron or Wade thinking they need to defer to him. Bring Harrington off the bench to provide a scoring punch. Chandler can play 2/3/4 and play them well. He wont cause chemistry problems because he can play with the second unit and be a scorer with Harrington. Mozgov is another big body to add to this team. When given minutes, he has shown that his size alone is almost impossible for other teams to handle. He is a great screener and runs the floor well. He could step in the starting role and at least be a big, mobile body. I mean they have been starting Joel Anthony and Ronnie Turiaf.. I think that Mozgov is at the very least, on that level but much bigger..
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The Warriors have been flipping their team upside down lately. They tanked at the end of last year because of injuries. They traded their 20 point per game scorer for an injured big man. They were basically giving up on this year to prepare for next. Why not get a stud scorer to go with this team.. There have been some comments made about getting a legit big man and things like that.. That leads me to believe that they dont like David Lee anymore. Bosh is the perfect fit next to Bogut (if they are both healthy) because his mid range game compliments Boguts need to be on the block. Mike Miller is a bad contract that the Heat would be getting rid of.. His shooting could fit with this team but he would most likely ride the bench.
The Heat would be getting a great pick and pop/roll player with Lee.. Also, Lee's motor is so high, he would be all over the place on the glass. He runs the floor like a mad man and attacks the rim like crazy.. However, he isnt the calibur player that Bosh is.. I dont think that Wade or Lebron would feel bad about not giving Lee enough shots. Bedrins has lost alot of playing time over the last few years but he is still young and early in his career, he was a great defender. He is a legit 7' tall and is very mobile. If he were motivated, I think he can get back to where he was early in his career. Also, I think he is a clear upgrade to Anthony and Turiaf. The pick could be used for a trade or could be used to draft a PG/C. Both of those spots could be a need.
I see what youre trying to do here and I like the idea behind it. Not that the Heat are better by any means without Chris Bosh but they might be better with Wade, LeBron, and 4 or 5 above average role players than they are with Wade, LeBron, Bosh, and the rest of the teams being scrubs. I think they might be able to get more for him though from a team like Houston, Phoenix, Milwalkee or Philly that is looking to trade depth for star power in order to make a playoff push.
Sorry, I like David Lee, Bosh doesn't bring anything Lee doesn't and we'd have to give up a pick and take on Miller's contract? No thank you. It's not a bad deal, but I don't see how David Lee is much of an upgrade over Bosh, they play pretty similar, but the only difference is that Lee is a better rebounder.
I know we unload Beidrins' contract, but that's 2 more years for 9 million, Miller is about 6 million for three more years, but all it does is give the Heat a better rebounder, and gives us a bigger name.
The Heat don't get enough for Bosh from the Nuggets, Chandler is a 3, not a 4. The only way I can see this is some sort of package that involves at least Javale McGee, but that specific trade that you proposed turns the Nuggets into a contender, you're basically substituting Bosh for Harington from this post-season's team. I would love to see a team actually run sets for Bosh rather than just have him as a designated shooter.
Bosh isnt much better than Lee??? Wow..
At Lee's best, he is an All-Star.. Bosh was a superstar in Toronto.. Its funny how quick people forget..
I may have underated Bosh a bit in my previous post, but David Lee is a lot better than people think, I know we were pretty bad this year, but Lee is a legit 20-10 guy that can shoot drive to the rim, and rebound. Bosh is better, but really not by much, both are below average defenders, but Lee is clearly the better rebounder. And I never thought Bosh was a superstar, he's a perenial All-Star that is an All-NBA third teamer on his own team. He is a star, but not a superstar.
“I think it is safe to say that the Heat are playing their best basketball of the year without Bosh on the floor.”
No, it isn’t safe to say that. The Celtics are a smaller team, which allows the Heat to get by better without Bosh. It doesn’t change the fact that they will be horribly outmanned up front without him in the Finals against San Antonio.
Bosh has been a 25/10 guy for the bulk of his career.. Lee has been 20/10 mayble 2 years of his career.. Also, Bosh is a much better defender than Lee. Lee has never been a guy that scared people out of the paint.. Bosh was that guy in Toronto..
Dont let Bosh's play with Miami make you think he isnt that good.. This guy was an MVP canidate for about 5 years in Toronto.. That didnt disappear, his situation changed.. Make him the focal point of a team and you get that player back..
MVP candidate? Not even, he was a very solid first option for Toronto, he had 22 and 10 for 4 years straight, and then had 24 and 10 his last year in Toronto. In 07 he finished 7th in MVP voting and in 10 he finished 12th. Ben Wallace and Peja have more MVP shares than him.
And I know his stats are considerably deflated in Miami. I'm flabergasted and upset that Miami doesn't use him in teh post a bit more because he has a really nice post fadeaway. But the fact of the matter is that this season he has been a below average rebounder.
Bosh has in my opinion a very nice jumpshot and potent post game but he is not the first option on anything more than a 6th-8th place team in a bad conference.
But weren't they over-sized in the Indiana series? Let's not act as if they haven't played any teams with size.
I disagree. I think if Bosh were to go to the Nuggets, he would be a great first option for a team that would instantly challenge the best in the West..
Look at Toronto.. With him, they were pushing teams in the playoffs but without him, they were instantly terrible.. That team didnt have much other than Bosh.. They had a chance to do something with the Bargs pick but blew it..
As for his rebounding numbers. I am not saying that it is okay that he doenst get many rebounds because rebounds are alot about effort.. I am going to say that he is playing with 2 great wing rebounders.. Lebron averaged 8 rebounds, Haslem averaged over 7, Wade was getting 5, and Anthony was getting 4. Teams only get around 40 rebounds a game. There just werent many more rebounds to go around..
Like I said, he should have been getting more but in Toronto he was the guy that was leaned on to rebound. That was a big part of his job. Also, in Toronto, he spent alot of his time around the rim where he could get rebounds.. In Miami, he spends alot of time in the deep corners.. There just arent as many shots that bounce that far out.
Not an excuse but a reason..
But weren't they over-sized in the Indiana series? Let's not act as if they haven't played any teams with size.
Miami beat them, but they weren't better without Bosh. The series was longer than the talent would have indicated it should have been. LeBron is the best player on the planet, and when he is going off for 33-12-8 on 55 percent shooting (like he did to close out Indiana) it doesn't matter if Roy Hibbert and David West can abuse Udonis, Joel, and Shane Battier (because Spo finally realized it doesn't help them to have LeBron deal with West). San Antonio has better talent than Indiana, and if Bosh isn't playing 7 or 8 of the 10 best players in the series with elite talents in Duncan and Parker to pick at where Miami is weak. The goal of the Heat is to win a title, not to show that when LeBron plays at his very best that they can win an Eastern Conference where every team is missing someone or multiple players.
I like Bosh in Denver. I think the reason why the Heat look better right now without him is because Spoelstra is just not a truly great coach. He is not bad, but he is not a great that can blend the talent. I dont like his rotations, thats my biggest problem with him. Bosh's role since the Raptor days has seriously been diminished....understandbly so when both Wade and LBJ are in the lineup, but what about when they arent?
Great point about the coach..
Its a different topic but 1 reason I hate that coaches dont get paid squat and are fired all the time is this:
Its the players job to go play,
Its the coaches job to tell the players how to play.
A bad coach can put player in a horrible situation. It is up to the coach to put each player in a spot for them to be as successful as possible with thier individual skill set. The player also has to use that skill to help the team. If these things are out of wack, it is the coaches, or the GM's fault.
and got like a -22 for it.....you made the same observation i did......lebron and wade seem to play better without deffering to bosh and as this team without him isn't better than with him, the team MAY better with him traded for some decent players with one of them bringing what he brings and others to add depth fill in holes.......
I think they should try and trade Wade. I know I will get killed for it and the chances are probably less than a Bosh trade but Wade is older & has injury concerns. He took a step back this year and while he has flashes, he isn't the same player.
I would love to see Bosh in Houston. I think Scola & Lowry is a fair package. They would get alot tougher at PG & PF. The only problem with that is Miami gets smaller again. I think in the trade Dalembert was in the trade but I don't think his salary would allow the trade to go through. It would probably have to be a 3 team trade.
@ The8thDeadlySin How can you say it's funny how people forgot when you're exploring the idea of trading the once superstar. I think it'd be crazy to trade Bosh, he doesn't complain about his role on the team at all and maeks them a lot better, not to mention he is much better than any other player in your trades.
when bosh was in toronto the raps were in 3rd place and he was the number 1 option
^I'll exclude his first two years because he was still developing, but from his third year in '06 to his last year there in '10, he made the playoffs twice, once in '07 when they were the third seed, but had the fourth best record, and then the next year in '08 when they were at exactly .500, made the playoffs as the 6th seed, but would have been 9 games out in the West. He had good individual years, and the supporting cast around him wasn't the greatest, he did take advantage of the one year he had decent teamates in 2007, but still, failing to even make the playoffs 3 out of the 5 years and having a winning record just once...............
Just because he is a great player doesnt mean he is a great fit with the team.
They can all play togther and be just fine but for the team to be the best, they should use him to get players that fit better.. Look at it like this:
Dwight Howard and Andrew Bynum could play together but each would be better playing with Dirk.
Rajon Rondo and Derrick Rose could play together but each would be better playing with Joe Johnson.
They can play together and still be good but the team would be alot better if they used Bosh to get other players.. They are using the guy wrong. He is a fantastic PF. His skill set is much more than "set the screen and go to the corner." If thats all they need, they should find someone else to do it and use Bosh to get a legit C and a bench scorer..
Guys I have watched the Raptors since they came into the league and Chris Bosh has never been a superstar. He was our star on some mediocre teams, but I was glad to see him leave, because he wasn't a big enough star to ever carry us any further than where we were. He's not a shoe-in all-star every year either. He is maybe a really nice Robin to someone's Batman. Unfortunately for him he got caught up in "the decision" hype and pretty much ruined his chances to ever be taken into consideration as a superstar in this league. He's basically what Iggy is at SF. One of the top ten, and sometimes top 5 players at his position.
If I were Denver I would not do that deal anyways. They already have a young, cheap Faried rising at that position and if Coach Karl keeps working his magic with Javale (assuming he resigns there), they're frontcourt is set. If Bosh went to Denver is he playing center?
If I'm trading Bosh to the Nugs, I would want Faried and Gallo