DNYCE, I'll make you a deal.
You show me a article that says this Bosh-DeRozan for Bynum-Brown deal is even possible- I'll never call you a idiot again.
We all know that the trades that happen are the ones that you don't hear to much about. Bynum for Bosh has been discussed plenty of times during the season before the trade deadline, but Derozan for Brown hasn't been discussed.
Bynum and Brown for Derozan and Bosh is a great deal for the Raptors. As I stated before, the Raptors won't get a better deal if you think so please post the deal that is better than this.
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I don't know if the Lakers would trade Bynum for Bosh. Gasol has been a center his entire career (until he came to the Lakers), but he isn't the defensive presence that Bynum is. He doesn't have Bynum's size. It also benefits Pau that he doesn't always have to defend centers. He usually has the mismatch advantage while playing the four.
Bosh isn't much of a defensive player either. He's a finesse player, just like Pau to be honest. Then you have to think about the roles. Would Bosh be happy being the third option?
The move would give the Lakers more offensive fire power, but it'd make them weaker defensively.
Then you have to think about it from Toronto's perspective. Bynum is worth the $44,700,000 remaining on his contract to the Lakers, but would he be worth that in Toronto? I'm not so sure. Throw in the fact he's injury prone and has already had two major knee injuries.
I think Toronto could get a better deal that makes better sense for their team.
ITS FUNNY HOW THIS GUY HAS -155 POINTS LMAO HES JUST SCREWING WITH EVERYONE
If I am the lakers, I don't think I could afford giving up Bynum for Bosh. While Bosh is a great scorer and rebounder, he lacks the defensive presence that Bynum brings to the game. What are you going to do, have Bosh and Gasol start at PF and C? They would get manhandled by big centers. Howard would punish them down low. Gasol and Bosh are too similar as finesse PFs. They are great players, but they need a defensive big to make up for the lack of weight they bring to the block. If LA were to get Bosh, I think either Bosh or Gasol would have to come off the bench. My Timberwolves are having a similar problem with not being able to start 2 PFs who lack D.
And DNYCE I really can't stand how arrogant and stubborn you are being. THIS TRADE IS GOING TO HAPPEN. How the &$#%#&@! do you know? You do zen in the afternoons with Phil Jackson or something? Where the hell do you get your inside scoop? I have yet to see any such thing even rumored let alone guaranteed.
bro your reasoning for this trade is awful... you said Bosh wants to go to LA to become an actor? no self respecting professional would make a decision about where to play basketball on that... plus the lakers wouldnt even be able to afford him!!... and then you said derozan has been a laker fan his whole life so it makes sense...NO IT DOESNT... he has no say in where he is traded to
this whole idea is a little far fetched. bosh is a horrible fit for the lakers, he would be the 3rd option and theres no way that would fly. typical laker fan who likes big names..
As a laker fan i rather keep bynum but wouldnt be upset if we got bosh instead. as far as that laker fan he speaks for hisself and obviously this is just his opinion no matter how much he tries to make it fact. Also there are many quotes of bosh sayign he wants to be the man and he will nbot be a second option, he's said that many times. As far as shonnon brown , from what ive read his stock isnt that high with other teams. chances seem to be that he will not opt out
Shannon Brown production comes from his role in the triangle. He's not a true PG, but with the Lakers that is OK because of their system. He isn't a good fit for most other teams (except Minnesota because they run the same offense, but they already have a bunch of PG's). Brown is limited as a free agent because he can only operate in certain schemes. Notice how he played before he found a niche in LA. He would be wise to say with the Lakers.
im not saying that trade wont happen because its actually possible and has been talked about before but its not a for sure thing and bosh could just as easily leave without being traded. Im not buying him wanting to play for the lakers because hes said he will only be a number one option. he doesnt even wanna be a 1b option. you seem to not realize that he can just go where ever he wants cuz hes a free agent. Plus when we win the title it makes no sense to make that trade ..you dont try to fix something that isnt broken
What are you talking about? When Brown started at the 2 when Kobe was injured he posted career highs, and by the way the Pacers were very interested in Shannon last year but he didn't want to go there thats why they ended up getting Dahntay Jones, and I like Shannon if we keep him great he is better than Derozan at this point the championships will continue to pour in, I just think he could start on atleast 50% of the teams in the NBA
If Bosh went to the Heat he would'nt be the number 1 option(Wade)
Bulls same thing (Rose) is their franchise player
The Knicks are going to land Joe Johnson and Bosh wouldn't be a number 1 there as well
Bosh is all bout winning he hates losing so scratch the Knicks off lmao
Everyone said Ron Ron couldn't play with Kobe and the Lakers when we acquired him, and I laughed last year when they said that nonsense, now im going to take this moment and laugh at you clowns once again lol
which is why i dont think hes going to those places either except the bulls. rose clearly stated he doesnt like being th enumber one scoring option. its a perfect situation for bosh there. As far as brown its already been talked about on other sites with inside infor that the market for brown isnt as high as you want it to be. gotta understand that youre opinion doesnt make it fact. i liek brown as much as the next guy but teams arent as high on him as you or other laker fans. And we dont knwo if bosh is all about winning or money or just being the top guy so lets stop with the we know what the player is thinking.
Now if you want to be serious, almost any PG in the NBA could get starting opportunities to play for Indiana. If you didn't know, Shannon Brown was a jourrneyman before he played for the Lakers, and was given opportunities to play PG in backup roles for the Cavs, Bobcats, and Bulls. And struggled HORRIBLY. Shannon Brown is a product of the triangle offense. He's not quite a talented enough shot-creator to play SG for any other team in the NBA, and not quite the playmaker to be a legit PG for any other team. He can play in the triangle because he can dribble-drive in stragiht-lines agressively, knock down open shots, and defend quick PG's or strong PG's. Not because he's a true playmaker and gets the ball in guys hands off pick and rolls, or because he can set up an offense. Let's open our eyes young man.
Shannon just wasn't givin the opportunity to play. Shannon has never gotten more than 20mpg in a season. Shannon is more than capable to play the 2 for the Raptors, he is better than Derozan and Bellinelli and he plays very good defense(which is why the Lakers got him in the 1st place they seen how he played defense against Kobe). Shannon has gotten much better since joining he Lakers, he plays against Kobe in practice everyday and he has been groomed and ready to start. We did the same thing with Ariza. Its Derozans turn to be taught by the very best in the business lol
In LA Bosh gets the money, the fame, and the championship, Bosh knows this he isn't stupid. Did any of you catch him at the last Lakers home aginst the Jazz? He was scouting out the best arena in the NBA and all the banners, he also saw all of the greats that have thier jerseys retired Magic Johnson, Worthy, Jabbar, Chamberlain, West, Baylor, Goodrich, and Chick Hearn. He wants to be up there as well.
Demar will never reach his full potential on the Raptors
yeah i gotta agree hes more then a journey man and is better then you give him credit for. I dont think hes a starting sg for most teams but he has shown he has the ability to start for some. hes showed scoring ability beyond just playing in the triangle offense when kobe was hurt. people tend to think the lakers run the triangle every time down but thats not the case. there were plenty of times he has scored by creating his own offense. someone like jason hart and kevin olli are journey man. shannon brown is not
Would the Raptors be better off with Shannon Brown as a starting SG??? No. Not the quite the shot-creator to be a good starting SG. Brown is a bench player on any team besides the Lakers, and he comes off the bench for them (even them I like him as a better starter than Fisher)! Trust me, I like Shannon Brown. I'm just telling it like it is.
Correct me if I'm wrong. 3 teams in your 1st 3 years makes you a journyman.
Shannon Brown is a combo player. Kobe didn't make Brown better. The Laker system made Brown the player he is. He's the prototypical triangle PG. Practicing with Kobe isn't why Brown ha.s gotten better. He's the same player he always has been. He just found a niche under Coach Jackson.
Trevor Ariza and Demar Derozan have steady positions. Kobe didn't make Ariza better. Ariza working hard on his jumper did. Kobe may have had an indirect effect on him working on that, but Ariza was the same player he was before except with a better shot. Kobe didn't have as big an effect as you think.
ok im correcting you then. he isnt a journey man... you actually have to play longer then three years to be consider a journey man. anyone whos ever been listed as that has played in the nba for many years. would the raptors have been better with brown at the 2?..yes because right now he is better then the sg that they do have. like i said brown would start on most teams but he would start on some and his offense doesnt just come from playing in the triangle. it does highlight some of his strengths but it also holds him back at times just like it does with other players
once he gets in his prime and gets traded alot while not putting up nice numbers then he becomes a journey man. was just checking out the list of players considered journey men and all are considered well seasoned vets
Exactly you nailed it, people just don't want the Lakers to get Derozan, because we will add his athleicism to our team and we would groom him into a star because he has potential, but right now Shannon Brown is a better player and he would help the Raptors out tremendously, and yes he would start on the Raptors.
i dont know about helping them tremendously
Sometimes it takes time for players to find thier game in the NBA, Brown isn't a journeyman.
Guys, don't argue with DNYCE. He doesn't know basketball.
It doesn't matter how long you've been in the NBA, it matters how many teams you've played for. If you take a journey, it's about where you've been. A journey is not how long it takes you to get somewhere.
And no, Shannon Brown isn't better than DeMar Derozan or Marco Bellinelli.
i guess now that i think about it it depends on a persons definition of a journey man. there are many players even some former allstars who have played for a couple of teams. personally i view a journey man as being someone who is too far from living pay check to pay check ala sheldon williams, ronnie price
The Raptors would get a player that actually plays good perimeter defense and he is just as athletic if not more athletic than Derozan, he is also a good shooter something the Raptors love to have.
i could see him getting 14 a game with the raptors at best with all the time hed get and hes a better all around player then anthony parker who was getting about 13 a game while with the raptors if im not mistaken
It's no knock on Brown, or the route it took him to be his best. But to say a guy who played for 3 teams in 3 seasons before setting with 1 team isn't a journeyman is inaccurate. I didn't know that that was even in question. He was considered by more than you 2 to be a journeyman. He's no longer a journeyman though (for), because he has stayed with the same team.
Its one thing to think Derozan is going to be better, but he isn't at this point, but to say Bellinelli is better than Brown is just plain laughable.
I can't see him getting 14 ppg for the Raptors. He's no better than any of the SG's on their roster. And they use a committee approach with their SG's. I think he could get 8 or 9 ppg with the Raptors.
Shannon already gets 8ppg and he only gets 20mpg a game, and you think he would only avg that on the Raptors? LMAO your crazy
like i said thats youre opinion of what a journey man is. i veiw it differently. i dont put brown int her same catagory as sheldon williams and ronnie price who i consider journey men so no its not inaccurate to not view him as a journey man or not a journey man just liek viewing a player as a superstar or not a superstar. its matter of what youre criteria is
if he can average 15 for the lakers with kobe out and alot of points coming outside of the triangle then i cant see why he cant get that with the raptors when they dont have any real threat at sg and considering parker put up almost similar numbers
Look at what Bellinelli did in less minutes than Brown. And Derozan put up stats just as good as Brown did as well, as a rookie. Sonny Weems also put up numbers similar to Brown, in less minutes.
shannn is the type of player who can create his own shot not just score because of what offense he is in. and being in the eastern conference playing against worst teams will help alot as well.
most people dont realize that most guards in the nba are capable of putting up double figure points every night if given the time but the thing is does it equate into wins or is it best for the team? im pretty sure some people dont think flip murray could put up the numbers he did while in seattle if they just watch him now
Shannon would go to work on the SG in the east you just have no clue, and Shannon can create his own shot what are you talkin about?
If he played for the Raptors, he's not much better than any of their current SG's. You guys must not have watched Raptors games. Shannon Brown isn't much better than Antoine Wright, Derozan, Marco Bellinari, or Sonny Weems....if at all.
Those guys are all scrubs, Weems and Wright won't even be in the league next year. Shannon plays in a more dynamic system in the triangle and he avgs 8ppg in 20mpg. Those scrubs that you mentioned wouldn't get any burn if they played on the Lakers. Lets say Shannon played atleast 30mpg he would easily avg 15ppg
Flip Murray can create his own shots better than Shannon Brown. Shannon Brown wouldn't get the opportunities. Toronto uses a committie approach at SG
id take him at his best over those at there best ( best for a nice stretch of games) all of those guys arent consistant when given time over a nice stretch of games so yeah id start him and give him more time because hes shown to be more consistant. they dont even have to earn there min they are put out there because the other guards dont cut it when they are out there, brown has to earn his minutes in while playing in the western conference
but of course we will never know. i remember alot of people not thinking ariza would score the way he has while playing with houston
He can create in straight lines, but he's not the best at breaking guys down off the dribble. A large amount of Brown's shot come off of spot-up shots and in transition. Not because he broke someone down and got to the rim.
He shot 42% from the field for the Lakers. If he shot that bad with all the weapons the Lakers have, I have questions about how efficient he'd be if given 30 mpg. He'd probably have efficient numbers similar to the ones Trevor Ariza, who has a similar skill-set to Brown despite his size, had in Houston. Ariza shot like 37% from the field.
Ariza scored a good bit, but he also shot 39% from the field. That's nothing to brag about at all.
You probably would start him and play him in extended minutes, but he's about the same level player as all 4 of those guys honestly. If he's going to be a SG.
i never said he would shoot a great percentage. just said he could get 14 a game. didnt go into how or if they would win or ho effective they would be
which is why i didnt agree with dynce that the raptors would be much better with him. he could score 14 but i dont see them being much better because hes not that could of a player where his scoreing would make the team much better.