http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-14/sports/ct-spt-0215-on-bull... (at the end of the story)
damn.. so the ball is in the raptors' hands? would you do it? i would
lucas has been a sick spark plug off the bench these last few games and since he's been given more time since the departure of calderon. he'd be the only one i'd be sad to see go..
also i remember nate robinson cheering when the raptors didn't draft him.. i don't think he's gonna be a happy camper if the trade goes down
Why would you trade boozer why not someone young and fresh like Tyler Zeller or Cousins. Why an old fart like Boozer.
You're ignoring value and contracts here. Bargnani is not that valuable ATM. You take what you can get.
jeez.. boozer is only a year older than i am, he's not old haha! and he's the same age as calderon..
okay maybe in basketball years he's coming to the end of the line and his contract is up in the 2015/16 season but i like this trade for the raps because they're a team full of young guys. boozer would provide that veteran leadership that they have lacked in years.
the raps haven't had that good veteran big man since the good old antonio davis/charles oakley days...
The Bulls would like this deal as it cuts their cap and they get younger and Bargs gives them a 3 point range in the front court. The Raptors would be very close to luxury tax going forward so deal may not be so good for them.
If the Raptors do want an experienced PF then one idea that came to mind is Bargs for David West and maybe a pick. This way Pacers get a finesse big to go alongside Roy Hibbert and they have potential size mismatches at SF to C. Plus even when Grainger returns they can use George, Granger, Bargs and Hibbert to cover minutes in a number of positions so each guy could easily play 30 plus mins per game.
Toronto get an experienced PF in David West who they could renew for a lot less than it would cost to take Boozer on and if he did move on then they still make a cap saving.
the majority share holders of the raps (rogers communications and bell canada) would be willing to spend the money provided we get the right player
Siggy is spot on. Bargnani has NO value along with his contract. He plays with no hustle and heart. Takes bad shots and his game is not up to par with what his contract is.
Raptors are SERIOUS about this playoff push and I know Colangelo is trying to save his job (I think the Raptors will re-sign him) because our lottery pick is to OKC. Boozer looks like the best option and I don't think the Cavaliers in the right mind would give up Zeller (when we already have Valanciunas) for Bargnani.
Thibs will pull the rest of his hair out if the Bulls brass make this move. A 7 footer who does not play defense and averages 4 rebounds a game (for his career) is not exactly the move Thibs or the fans will approve of. The only sense this makes for Chicago is from a salary cap perspective, but I don't think it is enough to pull the trigger. If this goes down, shut D. Rose down until next year.
Please let this happen. I would be so glad to not have to watch Boozer, and Robinson, on a nightly basis. The next time Boozer steps up and puts pressure on the guard, coming off a screen it will be his first. The guard usually pulls up because there is so much space, and lack of pressure, and Boozer doesn't even put a hand up to contest the shot. I would do pick and roll all day with Boozer and get a free throw on every possession. And yes I know the type of player Bulls are getting in return in Bargnani, and his defensive effort. At least Bargs spreads the floor for Rose a little. Plus Boozer and Rose don't play well together. Boozer needs the ball to be effective, that doesn't happen w Rose on the floor. Boozer also has been known to choke in big games/playoffs so have fun with that Toronto.
This deal will save the Bulls around 5 million but does anyone know if they are able to use their MLE next season if the deal goes through? If they hang on to Boozer they will only be able to use the mini- 3 mil.
This article here says this trade is essentially in the bag, done deal. http://fansided.com/2013/02/15/nba-trade-rumors-chicago-bulls-finalizing...
Have fun with Bargnani's lazy plays, chucking up shots and his horrible defense.
I'd rather have a bruiser in Boozer than a no defense, bad shot selection Bargnani.
Boozer is hardly a "bruiser" and his defense is god awful, even under Thibs. Sure he probably is a better player than Bargani. But when you consider the contracts, and contrast in play style, it is a good deal for the Bulls. Boozer has had a few nice games and does rebound, but he does so many other irritating things, misses so many easy shots, takes bad shots, fails at everything related to defense, and is making 18+ million a year. This is also a guy who commonly sits out the final 6-7 minutes of games. I'm not sure what Bargnani brings, but if he can stretch the floor and not make 18 million a year, its probably a deal that makes sense for the Bulls.
Good trade for the Raps bad for the Bulls, Raptors should be a bottom seed playoff team next year. Bargnani get's hurt running laps in warm up he is not durable nor does he play defensive.
It's not a "good" trade for either really. They're just moving chairs and swapping bad contracts.
They both have bad contracts, but Boozer's is much worse as he'll be making almost 17mill 2 yrs from now.
Also, as bad as Barg's is on defense, Boozer's worse.
Boozer has had his durability issues as well.
Yeah people seem to be forgetting that Boozer is just as bad a defender as Bargnani, worse even because he lacks the right size. Bargs is still relatively young, and Thibs is a good enough coach to be able to impart some awareness of team D to Bargnani, because when he gives effort he's not a horrible individual defender, he just has no concept of help or spacing.
If I were Chicago I'd be crossing my fingers that the Raptors accepted this deal, because Boozer isn't part of their future, but with the right coaching Bargnani could be and a healthy Bargnani gives them a great frontcourt mate for Noah.
Also, it means Belinelli and Bargnani would be on the same team again!
As an aside, does anyone know why Italy isn't more of a force on the international stage basketball wise? Between Gallinari, Bargnani and Belinelli they have a fair amount of talent, certainly more than Deng's UK team, but somehow I never hear about their national team... anyone know what the deal is?