[DondiJohnParticipant]

 Thunder are going to have salary cap problems with the free agency of Harden and Ibaka. They can have the option of amnestying Perkins to have room to sign both. But if you were the Thunder, would you trade Harden for the Bobcats number 2 pick in the draft? Probably select T-Rob or Beal.

[WolfRobParticipant]

 Absolutely not. 

[jhbm24Participant]

 The thunder are in the finals, they just need to take the luxury tax and keep em all. They are gnake enough money to do it. It’s too risky to trade the perfect 6th man for your team for something that isn’t a sure thing. And why wouldn’t they draft Drummond to solidify there back court for the future?

[jerb2011Participant]

FALSE FALSE FALSE, they will become a tax team! 

[lilballa141Participant]

they could potentially amnesty Perkins (or trade for player on 1 year deal) and pick up a cheap big such as dude from atlanta ..forgot his name but he D’d up d howard 1 on 1 in playoffs the other year.. but you absolutely keep russ/harden/durant/ibaka

[SportsNinjaParticipant]

I posted this in a diff thread but nobody responded:

 

If you are Jordan and your mentality is to trade the pick as has been reported, would you target Tyreke?

I really like Harden, but I like him in the role he is in. IDK that he is a player I would build around. IDK that Evans is that player either, but he would be easier to pry away from Sac and to me he has the higher ceiling between he and Harden.

Harden is def in the spotlight right now, but to me that’s because all of his bad games get swept under the rug. There isn’t as much pressure on him as the number 3 option, so if he has a bad game it’s not as noticeable. Evans jump shot hasn’t progressed as much as people want, but it has improved. He also doesn’t benefit from having the talent around him that Harden does.

As for Sac with the 2 and 5 you could get 2 of Drummond/Trob and Barnes/MKG. It could work out ideally where you get a big and a SF, you just have to hope if you draft Drummond 2, Trob gets taken 3 or 4.

Cousins

Drummond/TRob

MKG/Barnes

Thornton

Thomas

[omphalosParticipant]

@SportsNinja; I like the idea of Tyreke in Charlotte, but not in a straight swap for the number 2 pick, the Kings have placed such a low value on Evans that the Bobcats would need to demand the 5th overall and throw in an expiring or their second round pick to make it fair.

I said it in the other thread too, Harden is the only player I’d trade that pick for straight up.

I think Charlotte needs to take a long look at Beasley if they decide not to draft a SF. He can be had for a reasonable price and he fills a need as a scorer with the talent and skill-set to be a 1st option, it just depends on whether they can get a coach who’ll be able to keep him in line or relate to him.

 

[Lebron’s HairlineParticipant]

That’s a bad trade for the bobcats, Evans for the #2 pick? No way tyreke is a black hole on offense who cannot do anything without the ball in his hands the bobcats need a legitimate big man instead of another guard they have Augustine,walker, and Henderson

[SportsNinjaParticipant]

@ Omphalos: The Kings have placed a low value on Tyreke?  Says who, news reports? C’mon if they had a low value on him he’d be gone already. I do think they will trade him, and unfortunately due to their situation they will prob sell low on him. The weak get weaker. But saying the Kings have put a low value on him seems innacurate. And Evans and the 5 for the 2 and a 2nd rounder? ! That’s insanely lopsided. 3 spots down in this draft? There’s a drop off after 1 and then again after 6 or so, but picks 2-5 or 6 are going to be a bit of a crapshoot. The second to last thing the Kings need with a salary barely above the floor is expiring contracts. (The last thing they need is long bad contracts.)

Evans is not a black hole. I hate how on this site, somebody says something, they get a bunch of points for it, and everybody repeats it because it is a popular opinion here. Evans has averaged 18-5-5 with a 44% FG% and teammates that can’t hit an open jump shot. If you have watched the team every single game like I do, you do not see a black hole. How many assists do you think Rondo or Westbrook get because they play with Durant and Allen? I could throw the ball to those guys for a jump shot and get an assist. Evans is a playmaker, but he gets 0 easy assists per game. I am not saying he is Rondo or Westbrook, but I’m telling you he has a much higher ceiling than Harden. I LOVE Harden, but the dude is being super hyped right now. I see people sayng he is about to be the best 2G in the league, but bball is totally different if you are THE guy vs the 3rd guy.  

@ Igetbuckets: Augustin, Walker and Henderson played for a team with a .10 winning %. Stats are going to be inflated because the team is so bad, somebody is going to get the stats, because stats accumulate no matter what. But nobody on that roster should feel safe. You say they need a legitimate big man, but my point was if they are ging after Harden as rumored, would they consider Evans. They do need a big man, but then again they need everything.

[omphalosParticipant]

If the Kings are moving Tyreke in favour of Marcus Thornton and Isaiah Thomas then yes, that’s placing a low value on him.

A straight up trade of Tyreke for the 2nd overall just wouldn’t work, maybe if you involve a third team like the Hornets. Not sure if this works in terms of salary but a three team trade like this…

Charlotte gets) Tyreke Evans, 10th overall pick
Kings get) 2nd overall pick, Trevor Ariza
Hornets get) 5th overall and Charlotte’s 2nd rounder.

Bobcats get Evans and another top 10 pick, where a player like Meyers Leonard or another big man will be available.

Hornets get the 5th overall to take a guy like Lillard if they want a PG, or take Beal/Lamb if they are worried about Gordon leaving, and open up room for Aminu to play more minutes at the SF.

Kings get their choice of whoever they want at the 2 spot, which will likely be a big man (so either Drummond or Robinson) to pair with Cousins, and they get a relatively young SF who can space the floor and defend at a championship level.

Thoughts?

 

 

[PulseGlazerParticipant]

Tyreke and #5 for the 2 makes sense if the Kings love Drummond.  Maybe even take back Gerald Henderson to make the team fit a bit better.

[SportsNinjaParticipant]

SMMFH that the 5 and Evans for the 2 is an even trade. Even if the Kings loved Drummond there’s a chance he’s there at 5. It’s not like Drummond is the key piece that makes them a championship caliber team. It’s not like they couldn’t draft MKG or Barnes and hope Whiteside asserts himself.

3 spots in a draft can be a big deal, but in this draft from 2 to 5, it just isn’t that much of a talent gap. You guys act like Evans is garbage. . . I can have one of MKG/Barnes/Trob and Evans, or I get Drummond. C’mon, nobody takes Drummond there. He’s too much of a wildcard. I think he could turn out to be the best player in the draft, but that’s a HUGE if. Not one I’m willing to risk my franchise on. 

So there is no way OKC should trade Harden for the 2, but the Kings should trade Evans and the 5 for the 2? ? Ridiculous! ! !

If I’m Sac I wouldn’t trade Evans and the 5 for Harden.

If I’m OKC I trade Harden for the 2, draft Drummond, then go sign a combo guard that can do a number of things off the bench. I may even look at a Terrence Williams/Lamar Odom type that can handle the ball/run the team from the SF position. Will this person be as good as Harden? No, but I’m thinking about my future, and I’m also thinking that with the franchise players I have, it is very possible this person can come in and have a better statistical year than they normally do. 

Part of building a team is looking at what players will do in your system. Find players that are struggling on certain teams, but would do well with the talent you have (buy low). Anybody that’s ever played bball can tell you the team they’re on makes a lot of difference in the way they play. OKC doesn’t need a guy that can go off any given night (JR Smith type) they need a guy that can assert himself when he needs to and stay out of the way when he needs to. That is why Harden is a great fit for them, his mentality suits them. Ideally they can keep him and not worry about it, but it seems very unlikely they can keep him and Ibaka. Harden’s stock will never be any higher, if you’re going to trade him, now is the time to do it (sell high).

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