Blake will never be an all-star
Blake Griffin is an outstanding player, but until he develops a consistent jump shot he will never live up to the expectations. He's listed at 6-10, but looks like he's 6-8 (I wonder what his wing span is). Also Blake's defense is lacking, he doesn't put too much effort into the defensive end of the court.
Maybe I'm dead wrong, but Blake will never be a double digit rebounder in the NBA. Only 5 guys in the NBA are averaging double figure in rebounds.
Blake is a monster no doubt, but you are right about his height. He could be 6-9 in shoes and his superior weight/strength and athleticism should make up for that. But, I don't think he has the range right now. He is like a young Carlos Boozer. I could see him becoming a bread and butter 20-10 guy, but he doesn't really have that game changing ability that someone like Karl Malone had as a wide body PF. I hope I'm wrong; he is really fun to watch.
you guys are crazy, blake is a beast now and will only to continue to get better. again HE'S A BEAST
I agree he's a beast in college, Beasley was a beast in college and he had a face up game (something Blake lacks) and he has struggled a little in the NBA. I just don't see Blake being a 20-10 guy in the NBA. Blake needs to go to a team that has another low post player.
If Blake does measure out to 6-10, I would re-think the situation.
I think he will pay more attention to defense in the NBA I think he will be an all star in his third or maybe even second year
By the way Kevin Love is averaging 11 and 9 in 25 minutes. There's only 10 other players that are doing that and the closest player in minutes per game is Paul Millsap and he averages 5 and a half minutes more a game. Here's what he had to say about this season and improving his athleticism. He still got a lot of problems finishing around the rim, but if he pushes himself into better shape I can see him being a David West/Mehmet Okur type of player, if not a little better.
Griffin definitely has the chance to be a 8-10 time All Star. His mid range is getting much better with every game and he's already got a pretty good handle for a 4. Plus, his speed and quickness for a 4 with the amount of strength he has is unheard of at his age. He just turned 20 in March, he's got a very high learning curve. Honestly, his worst case scenario comparison is Carlos Boozer. He's almost as strong as Boozer right now with better range and ball handling. Obviously his free throw percentage is nothing to brag about, but I believe that can be attributed to the fact that he can't get his mind to concentrate on making a standing shot because he's so reved up from having the opposing defense solely focus on stopping him. He'll be a very good player, but he'll probably never receive the attention (triple teamed) he's received from college defenses. Also, his NBA teamates will be too good to be left open for the defense to triple team him, if that ever needs to happen. I believe to fully access his skills right away though, he needs to go to more of a "running" team.
Thanks for the article on Love. He has quite a few things to work on to reach his full potential, but I like his chances. When it comes to Griffin, no way does he have better range than Boozer. Yesterday versus UNC it almost seemed like he completely forgot he even had a face up game. I don't see any way Griffin doesn't put up 20 points efficiently in the NBA though. Like a young Stoudemire, he's just too quick with his first step and then he has the spin move to go to if his defender over plays it. I agree that his defense isn't great, Thompson made a couple shots right over the top of him, but at the same time I doubt his standing reach will be much less than 9 feet (Boozer I believe has a 9 foot and Love has a 8'10"). I think the best defenders at the power forward spot need to have a standing reach of atleast 9'2". The fact that Griffin jumps so high helps though. I bet he can hit his head on the rim. Also, for some reason the Big 12 just seems to inflate rebounding numbers every year for players like Beasley and Durant, so I'm not sure how dominate of a rebounder he'll be in the NBA.
I think he will, i think now allready he acts like a real wise man on the court!!
But why people think he will not be a double digit rebounder??? I don't know how good he will be in a lot of stat cats, but for sure he's the one getting the rebounds!!!
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beasley doesnt have the athletism blake does...in the unc game as he did thru out the year here and there he shows the potential of being able to bring the ball up the court much faster than the bigger defenders can keep up with him. he dribbling will only get better as well as his jump shot and face up game. so put that with what he has already and it sounds like amare stoudamire to me, but less explosive
Griffin is going to be a perennial all-star. Boozer is undersized and he still succeeds. His jumper is not always consistent and doesn't have the athleticism. Blake can dominate even without a jump shot. He can be one of the best PFs in the league in a few years.
Blake Griffin will be an All Star. Michael Beastley is on a Playoff team and plays off the bench until he works on his defense. He can score and rebound in the NBA but he is adjusting to his position and game in the NBA. Kevin Durant started off bad in his rookie season too but this year, he is putting up monster numbers and is playing a well rounded game. Blake Griffin will probably go to a team that needs him to score and rebound so he will no doubt average a double double his first year. I can see him improving his jumper down the line and if he stays healthy, I can see many All Star Appearances for him as well.
There is one player that reminds me of Blake Griffin- Kenyon Martin. Two number one overalls, 6-9 6-10 super athletic dominate college basketball players with little true offense game. Blake has a little better work ethic, but it is highly doubtful that he will ever be a dominate offense player. A number one option on a championship caliber team. never. all-nba or starting all-star. never. He has the possibilty to be an all-star or put up great numbers especially if he plays with an excellent creator like Martin did. Carlos Boozer has a jumpshoot. Everyone in the NBA is athletic. I cannot think of the endless super-athletic unskilled bigmen who haven't lived up to expectations- martin, stromile swift, tyrus thomas are all reminiscent of griffin. He won't simply be able to jump over people and get offensive board and score a ton of points- ive never seen anyone in the league do this. The only one I can think of that does this and is truly a superstar is Dwight Howard and blake isn't near that range athletically or defensively.
twolf, you're absolutely right, his defense is definitely subpar for what his physcial gifts should allow him to entail, as for his face up game though, just because he forgot to use it doesn't mean that it's non-existant. In a very intense, pressure filled game like the one with NC he was trying to do too much, he wasn't allowing the game to come to him, and he was double or tripled teamed everytime he touched the ball on the block. Do you really believe that Boozer could ever hit a college three, espcecially since it went a foot back this year? I don't see it, and Blake at least scored 3 or 4 this year. Obviously that's not a very conclusive number to evaluate from, but look at Griffin's form on his shot to Boozer's and you'll see why. Boozer has the most awful looking shot, and does it really go out past ten feet consistently? I've haven't seen him take too many fifteen to twnety footers and hit them consistently. I don't see Griffin scoring them at will right now either, but neither is he really given the chance. I would imagine that's a result of his team being so dependant on his offense that he's more likely to try get a close shot then to truly experiment with his skill set. His form though, would definitely suggest that the consistent 15 to 20 foot jump shot is either, already in his skill set or it will come very soon. Also, does Boozer really have as good of a handle as Griffin? I remember reading an article last year about Griffin where the writer was interviewing GM's and one of them said that Blake was like LeBron James because of the quickness, handle, and athleticism they both possessed for men of their size and strength. He said he's obviously not going to be as good as the King, but that he had all the tools to be very successful in the League, and remember that was from last season, he's gotten much better this year. I wish he would've choked slammed Hansbrough in that game, that bug eyed white boy gets more phony calls than anybody I've ever seen. I know somebody will draft him in the first round and give him guaranteed money, but he will never do anything. Fellow country boy Luke Harangody has much better skills than Hansbrough. I think Luke will actually carve out a decent career in the League, Hansbrough should've realized as a pro prospect, spending four years in college is for honing your basketball skills (handle, passing, consistent jump shot, athleticism, strength), not just playing Dickie V patented, tenacious, injury-causing, all out basketball. Yes, you've got the college refs eating out of your hands by playing with your heart and being the next great white hype, but deep down they really treat you like the indentured kid, they really feel sorry for you because you're all heart and no skill. It's like all the NCAA D1 refs got together and said Tyler Hansbrough deserves a chance to succeed, sort of like the Make a Wish foundation. Sorry bro, that doesn't work in the League, refs are betting on games and your shot will get swatted back in your face without you getting the call, to be honest it already does on the college level because the refs can't make it too obvious. In all honesty, how sad is that, and he's still considered to be a pro prospect?!?!
Did you just use a post Blake Griffin post to go on a Tyler Hansbrough rant????? I can understand not liking the guy as a ball player but D@#mn Blanco you make it seem like my man took your girlfriend and kicked your dog on the way out. Thats post is both sad and funny.
There could've been many other things said that are much worse than the fact that he's an overhyped, no skilled, whiner. I just hate to see NCAA programs that are successful without any real legitimate pro prospects. I think it just takes the fun out of College ball for me. It's unfortunate, but I think I watch NCAA ball because of future pros rather than for the competiton, except when there's money to be won. This year of D1 ball has been sort of a disappointment this year, especially when compared to last year's. When a guy gets calls all game long, it just gets tiring, especially after four years. Unless your from NC, do you really want to see them succeed? I brought Hansbrough up in a Griffin post because he just faced him and as another undersized 4 like Blake, he should've had to face an uphill climb, as Griffin has (constant double and triple teams this year), to succeed, but as I'm sure you've noticed over the course of the past four years, Tyler's been getting calls since he gave the NCAA refs a reason to believe in a great white hype again. Hey Zebras, there will never be another Larry Legend.
Griffin must develop that jumper, and learn to play Shane Battier defense, that is what i think of him becoming. If he can get the D down pat and learn to shoot better he has a good 12 to 15 year NBA career. All star?? Maybe, not consecutive years though, but you never know... I never thought Mo Williams would be any thing but he is doing it now.
Here are few things to consider about Griffin.
1. He is a superior ballhandler and much quicker than most of the guys mentioned who are playing the 4 in the NBA in this thread, Boozer, K Martin, etc.
2. Shooting is an overrated way of evaluating potential production. You should never, ever assume that because a guy can't shoot in college, he won't be able to shoot in the pro's. Anyone who saw Patrick Ewing or Karl Malone shoot in college should know this. Both players went on to be among the best mid-range shooters at their position in the history of the league. Part of what made Malone great was that on the pick-and-roll, he didn't just always roll to the basket. That is where most people get stupid-confused. He was much more likely to pop and hit the 15-18 foot jumper. FYI- you should also never assume that because a guy CAN shoot he has an NBA career.
3. Rebounding is as much about quickness, desire and the ability to rejump as it is anything. Dennis Rodman is arguably the NBA best rebounder of all-time because of those three facts. Beasley is an NBA rebounding flame-out (averaging 5) because he would rather stand 20 feet from the basket. I don't see Griffin being unwilling to rebound. He goes and gets the ball, showing an ability to rebound outside of his area, which is always an important factor.
4. Most of Griffin's ineffectiveness on defense is due to unwillingness to pick up fouls. If he goes out, OU goes down.
5. I agree that Griffin's offensive game is a work in progress. However, because of his quickness and ability to handle the ball he could be a match-up nightmare for 4s. I think his ability to face the basket and drive is something that isn't often talked about, but I promise that will be where Griffin makes hay in the NBA. One of the things that really impressed me about both he and his brother is their ability to shot fake. An undervalued basketball fundamental, but both players consistently got their opponent to bite, even through neither is a threat to really shoot. I actually think Taylor Griffin has a chance at making a roster as well.
Griffin is a great college player no dout and he has the potential to be very good in the pros but he will have to work hard as do all players going to the pros he is very athletic great vert and quickness but so most nba players so that will be a ajustment the hieght i dont see being much of a problem hes not 6'6 so he can do the job but yes he will have to develope a consistant j but that is a very comon thing among big men comin to the pros look at howard and amare and guys like that not to compare them just to show guys that dont of didnt have js but he definaly could be a star in a few years but wont have a durant like rookie year
Blanco, I like your strategy in your two previous posts. Correct me if I am worng, but I beieve that is to write so much irrelevant and incoherent garbage that nobody will a) finish reading your posts or b) take time to comment on all the trash. I am going to take the bait and throw a few thoughts out on it.
1. Boozer does shoot quite a few 15-20 foot jumpshots, although he does have ugly form. So yes, he does go out past feet consistently.
2. I take it you are extremely well-educated cause you did seem to notice that both Hansbrough and Harangody are white. Very insightful critique on that one.
3. Hansbrough is obviously concerned about much more than just his status as a future pro. Him dedicating himself to being the best college player and teammate doesnt seem like the worst thing in the world. Telling an individual that he should have been more focused on himself for the last 4 year make you sound like you have never been part of a team or program before. Once he finshes his college career, I am sure his focus will be on becoming the best pro he can.
4. Hansbrough's basketball skills, strength, and athletic ability have all noticeably improved during his time at Carolina. Perhaps not as much as some others due to the fact he was relatively polished as a freshman, but still a noticeable improvement.
5. Sorry to hear you dont like his "injury-causing" style he plays. That sort of makes you sound like a coward. You must have been knocked over a few times in your life by someone else trying to hard. Maybe you even got a bump, bruise, or some other type of ouchie and I am sorry for that. How can you take trying too hard and playing an "injury-causing" style as a negative thing?
6. Your theory that he won't be good in the NBA cause obviously refs are betting on almost all the games (which still means he would get the calls in roughly half his games, unless the refs always bet aginst him) and refs bet on college but they can't make it too obvious makes no sense at all. Saying refs in college can't make it obvious implies NBA refs do not care if it is obvious?
7. Where does this "great white hype" theory for Hansbrough come from? You seem to be using in terms of an NBA career, but in his entire career, not many people have claimed Hansbrough would be anything more than a solid pro. The phrase, which Shaq has used on Tom Gugliotta (drafted 6th in a good '92 draft) years ago and has also been thrown at Keith Van Horn (drafted 2nd behind Duncan), was used for guys who were thought to have great NBA potential. He is one the best players in college b-ball. That isnt hype. The team success and stats speak for themselves. Any guy who is projected as a late 1st or early 2nd round pick isnt the "great white hype".
8. "I just hate to see NCAA programs that are successful without any real legitimate prospects." Wow. You are talking about North Carolina. Based on this webistes mock drafts, Lawson (18th in 09), Ellington (29th in 09), Green (52 in 09), Davis (3rd in 10), Thompspn (34th in 10), Ginyard (57th in 10) are all projected to be drafted in the next 2 drafts. Ty Zeller will likely be a first rounder at some point as well. They have about as many pro prosepcts as the Memphis Grizzlies, and the Grizzlies are an NBA team.
There is no way you can say he wont be. His jumpshot is underrated and hes athletic as hell. Ive seen him play in person. Its ridiculous how powerful this guy is. If you compare him to some rookies this year I dont see how he cant contribute right away. And someday be an allstar.
kricket755, damn man, what did your wife put a restraining order on you today for beating the piss out of her? Man, you went off. That's all right though, it just goes to show how much you're on Tyler's you know what. You can come off your knees now. He's a great white hope because it's insane to think that he will be drafted at all, he just doesn't have what it takes to truly make a difference for any team. When I say real, legitimate pro prospects, I mean players that will either be an All-Star, a consistent starter, or at the very least a sixth man. Is Ed Davis right now a top ten pick, a legitimate starter or even a sixth man? I don't think so, maybe in a year or two, as for Lawson, he would be the only player that would even come close, and I just don't see him being anything more than a backup point. As for the others, give me a break. Do second rounders usually ever make a huge difference? There's been a couple over the years, but none from NC. So where's their real, legitimate pro prospects now? Yes, you're correct NC does play team basketball, and they're a great team, but wouldn't you think that Hansbrough's skill level (consistent range, handle, passing ability) would've gotten a little better after four years of playing at a financially set collegiate institution like NC? Come on, you know they bring coaches in that specialize in certain skills, and it's funny because he's never gotten any better at any the aforementioned skills. Maybe that's because he's already reached his learning curve. You're absolutely right in the fact that he's gotten much more muscular over the years, but he still has a small frame, he will never body anybody up. He's just another hustle player with no skill. He's Eduardo Nejara without the cool name.
You're pretty blind sighted, never once was Hansbrough being an immediate impact to an NBA team was mentioned. You act as if the NBA will always draft based on potential. Don't you think that's a tad bit discriminate?
Hansbrough will be a role player off the bench, nothing wrong with that. What's even more in favor of Hansbrough is that being projected to be drafted in the late First Round will let him be on a winning team. ;]
Why would you pay guaranteed money and give guaranteed years to a hustle player at the end of the first round. For christ's sake, you can pick that type of veteran up any off season for less money and less guaranteed years. Hansbrough is destined to go in the Second Round, which he will early, and not to a contender either. Playoff teams know better than to give guaranteed money and years to a hustle player, like I said, there a dime a dozen every off season. He's just not a special player by any means, he just doesn't have enough future value or a true skill set to give guaranteed money and guaranteed years too, especially in this economy. Teams are looking to cut corners these days, I can imagine that there's going to be at least three or four teams that will possibly sell their first round pick this year. Why would a team ever take a player who's skills most everyone else has. He's a hustle player for christ's sake, nothing more. Wouldn't you rather pay guaranteed money and give guaranteed years to a player that at the very least still has a learning curve, meaning that he will continue to progress. Do you really think at 24 years old Hansbrough will actually develop some true skills (ball handling, passing, consistent shooting), besides being the hustle guy? At his age and skill progression so far, I would imagine he probably would not, and unfortunately for you, the Hansbrough faithful, there's no place for that kind of player in the First Round. Also, what makes him an immediate impact type of player, because he played four years of collegiate basketball? Come on, you have to have a skill to be an immediate impact type of player, what skills does he truly have, besides hustle and energy? I'm sure you've already realized, as I'm sure everyone else has, that he will never get to the line in the NBA as much as he has in College. He doesn't have any sort of handle, he has no fluidity, come on, the guy is stiff as hell. I will admit his shot has gotten better in College, but you have to realize that there' s no way he'll ever make that shot with an NBA defender draped on him. His moves are extremely predictable, will you at least admit he's nothing more than a Hustle Player? You have to at least do that. It's unfortunate for him, but he will most likely be relegated to earning his roster spot after his second round selection, and I've heard quite a few teams will possibly be cutting out their Summer League Team, so the chances of him making an NBA squad I would imagine would go down even farther. With how bad the economy is too, I could even see teams cutting their rosters down to 13 or 14 guys. I can imagine that would really make his chances of making an NBA roster even more bleak. Maybe he'll become an assistant under Roy Williams quicker than I thought.
Hansbrough did something right isnt he the all time leading scorer in ACC history. I think he will be a better pro that most people think (think a less athletic Udonis Haslem). He may not be a star but I see him as a capable back up power foward in the NBA.