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Is Blake Griffin a top 10 player in the NBA?

I'm working on a article (for sircharlesincharge.com, check it out) and I looked up Griffin's numbers

22.8ppg, 12.6rpg, 3.5apg, 0.5bpg

Besides the fact he's a piss-poor defensive player, does his numbers open up debate he's a top 10 player?


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I think

I think he may be a top 15 player but prob not a top 10 player quite yet

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I think it's more of asking

I think it's more of asking yourself the question; is he better than:
LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant, Derrick Rose, Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Chris Bosh, Tim Duncan, Dwight Howard, Paul Pierce, & so on so forth.

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Oh & how could I forget Dirk

Oh & how could I forget Dirk Nowitzki, Russell Westbrook, and Carmelo Anthony.

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I would say 1. Lebron 2.

I would say

1. Lebron

2. Rose

3. Durant

4. Kobe

5. Dwight

6. Wade

7. Dirk

8. Carmelo

9. Westbrook

Those 9. no particular order are definitely better than him. Then theres a grey area. It depends on who you ask. Many probably think guys like Amare and DWill are better than him, but its really debatable because Blake is so young and inexperienced we really dont know how good he is.

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Dirk with those under 7rbs

Dirk with those under 7rbs under 1blk stats doesn't look top10 anymore, especially when he is avg 3less points than in recent years..

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you guys have got to be

you guys have got to be kidding me when you add westbrook to the top 10 list, that is a joke. i am 99 percent positive anyone in the thunder organization will take blake griffin over westbrook in a heart beat.

westbrook doesnt even get top 15 yet imo.

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your kidding right? Westbrook

your kidding right?
Westbrook scores 22 points a game as the 2nd option.. along with 8 assists and 5 rebounds..

Im still not sure whos better between him and Rose

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I don't think he's a top 10

I don't think he's a top 10 player yet. I'd say he is in the top 20. We will really know how good he is once he gets grounded in the NBA, which will take about 3 full seasons. Bestter coaching and team defense concept will help out his defense a lot.

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No

People give Amare a lot of crap for being a bad defender, but at least he can block shots. Blake is a TERRIBLE defender and has given up a lot of big games to very average pf's/centers. He is definetely a top-20 player, and maybe a top-15, but definetely not a top-10.

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I wouldn't say Westbrook is

I wouldn't say Westbrook is better than Chris Paul and Deron Williams right now

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& I'm going out on a limb to

& I'm going out on a limb to say he shoots more shots than Dirk Nowitzki.
Nowitzki plays with one of the greatest 6th Men ever, a Hall of Fame PG, "The Matrix", and he had Caron Butler too so you know he shares his shots with some great teammates. Plus JJ Barea has been doing a lot more this season as well.

Griffin has Gordon.... and I guess Davis at times.

I'd take Westbrook over Griffin;
Defense PG > Offensive PF.

Imagine if he were given the keys to the car; right now he's just in the passenger seat.
I'd say increase in numbers, but decrease in shooting percentage if there was no Kevin Durant.

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Blake is still far more

Blake is still far more sizzle than steak. He is a highlight machine, but top ten talents win games. They don't lose to Cleveland. They come up bigger than 4-19 on the road. He cannot be in the same conversation as LeBron, Rose, Durant, Howard, Wade, Kobe, Dirk, CP3, Deron Williams, Pau, Melo, etc. He might eventually be, but not now. A youtube worthy dunk is still only two points.

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Top 10? Why even ask that

Top 10? Why even ask that question what has he done that Randolph hasnt? What has he done that Jefferson wasnt doing in Minnesota? I dont understand this nonsense lol. Is it because you think hes pretty?

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no not top 10 at all. And

no not top 10 at all. And he's still behind bosh who has done the same thing and more numbers wise on a bad team but he lead that bad team to more wins and a playoff. Zach Randolph has done the same things as well but with less athletic ability and.

He is a horrible defender but that isn't factored into being a top 10,5 player. Nash has won two MVP's wasn't he considered a top 5 player at one point and we all know his defense was/is horrible

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He's not top ten just yet,

He's not top ten just yet, but the fact that this is even a discussion after only one half of a season just tells you how good he is.

I say by year three, he'll be a top ten player for sure.

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Top 10? Why even ask that

Top 10? Why even ask that question what has he done that Randolph hasnt? What has he done that Jefferson wasnt doing in Minnesota? I dont understand this nonsense lol. Is it because you think hes pretty?

First off, WTF are you talking about? Jefferson was a top 25 player (AND RISING) in the NBA before he tore his ACL in Minnesota. I asked because Griffin's numbers as a rookie, his value and upside warrants the question.

Second, I don't judge men. If you think he's pretty, that's all you man.

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He's not top ten just yet,

He's not top ten just yet, but the fact that this is even a discussion after only one half of a season just tells you how good he is.

Thank you. It shows people aren't reading to me. I asked does his numbers open it up to being a top 10 guy. That's all I asked.

Another thing, if the Clippers called the Thunder and offered Blake for Westbrook, they do it in a heartbeat.

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Knicksboy.. He meant putting

Knicksboy.. He meant putting up 20+psts, 10+rebs. ZBo and Jefferson both did it.

And by pretty, he meant his highlight dunks.

No need to take it offensively.

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Well, I ranked Randolph as

Well, I ranked Randolph as one of my top 20 players in the league last week and last season, I had Jefferson in the 20-30 range. Griffin has better polished moves then Jefferson and he isn't as bulky and a stump in the post as Randolph has the tendency to be. I liked all 3. I like Randolph and Griffin now, Jefferson once he leaves Utah because he's a awful fit

Nah man, if you meant pretty as Dunking, say Dunking, don't say pretty.

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Also, Griffin is putting up

Also, Griffin is putting up almost 4 assists per game...I don't remember Z-Bo and Jefferson doing anything close to that.

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I understand that Randolph

I understand that Randolph and Jefferson put up great numbers, but they just aren't as good as Griffin in my opinion. I mean, they're more skilled in the low post, but that's about it. They can't read doubles/triples and pass liek Griffin. They can't handle it like Griffin. They just can't do some of the things Griffin can do.

It's not hard to see that Griffin has what he takes on and off of the court to be a top five player eventually in the NBA. He's not top ten right now, but I'm personally not offended by the question.

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His stats don't lead to more

His stats don't lead to more wins so no. Once his stats start leading to more wins then the debate becomes more real

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I have to say, Blake is

I have to say, Blake is better than Jefferson and ZBo. He's a better passer, but not only that, he brings energy. ZBo and Jefferson don't bring energy. A top 10 player? I would say no, but he'll crack my 20-25 range for sure.

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His stats don't lead to more

His stats don't lead to more wins so no. Once his stats start leading to more wins then the debate becomes more real

- Coming from the same man who hyped up Kevin Love the past 6 weeks?

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That's cuz i knew it would

That's cuz i knew it would piss off a couple of people who always put him down. You really couldn't see that plan unfold?. It was pretty obvious.lol I just find it funny some use certain reasons why Love isn't as good but the rules Don't apply to Blake.

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It's all about

It's all about circumstance.

Jefferson was a loser last season. He's now a winner because he's on a better team.

Randolph has been a loser who put up 20 and 10 for majority for his career. The last two seasons have been the best of his career, but it's not like Memphis has made the playoffs.

I wouldn't take Jefferson OR Randolph over Griffin despite the fact they're on better teams right now. You put Griffin on those teams and they're both better in my opinion.

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"- Coming from the same man

"- Coming from the same man who hyped up Kevin Love the past 6 weeks?"

Hahahaha aw cmon knicksboy, you did him dirty on that one! Hahahaha great call on it man! LMAO

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I just find it funny some use

I just find it funny some use certain reasons why Love isn't as good but the rules Don't apply to Blake.

Like what?

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Well Knicksboy, stanford

Well Knicksboy, stanford hoops disappeared rather quickly after that question.

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He'll be back, just preparing

He'll be back, just preparing why he's correct with incorrect logic

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As always.

As always.

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Go check out the archives.

Go check out the archives. Look at all the Blake post then check out the Love post and the reason's people think he isn't that good

Numbers on a bad team

Bad defense

Same things Blake is doing (numbers on a bad team , bad defense) Yet you will rarely find anyone mention that. They will ask question's like "Blake one of the best players in the NBA"

Might need to keep you're tounge in instead of out like 23 cuz i'm tired of it on my ass all the time

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Hey stanford, is your tongue

Hey stanford, is your tongue tired of being up KLoves a.ss? Probably not.

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Are you tired of hiding

Are you tired of hiding behind a fake name with other people pictures yet running you're mouth???..yeah i guess not

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Ooooh an internet thug.

Ooooh an internet thug. You're really tough now.

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I disagree, alot of people

I disagree, alot of people loved Blake but I don't remember too many people hating Kevin Love. For one, Love played alot of last season out of shape and even then, he was coming off the bench. Alot of people had questions about him coming into this season (which was fair) but I don't believe ANYONE said he was a bad basketball player. Plus, Love isn't better then Al Jefferson, Zach Randolph, Blake Griffin, LaMarcus Aldridge just to name a few.

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That was nasty bro lol.

That was nasty bro lol. The tounge on your ass comment lol.

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;) You might wanna check out

;)

You might wanna check out BTPH and Urban post then Knicks. And another guy who's name escapes me said he would be a 6th man on a good team. Just because YOU don't believe anyone said it doesn't mean it wasn't said

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I don't think Kevin Love is a

I don't think Kevin Love is a go-to player or top option player. I think he'd be best as a second or third option. A pick and pop guy who rebounds.

I just don't view him as a player with superstar potential or franchise player type.

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You might wanna check out

You might wanna check out BTPH and Urban post then Knicks. And another guy who's name escapes me said he would be a 6th man on a good team. Just because YOU don't believe anyone said it doesn't mean it wasn't said

1st- Post where? Show me the post.....

2nd- I don't care if BTPH said it, then he's wrong. Love is a solid starter.

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I don't think Kevin Love is a

I don't think Kevin Love is a go-to player or top option player. I think he'd be best as a second or third option. A pick and pop guy who rebounds.

I agree. I hope Stanford isn't saying Love is a #1 guy because that's DEAD wrong.

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Now on a real serious note.

Now on a real serious note. I'm not as big of a Love fan as i have shown, it was obvious i did all that to piss Urban and BTPH off. But i also don't think his numbers are just a product of being on a bad team. I don't think he's a better player than Blake( used to but the more i watch Blake the more i realize he's a special talent and not just all hustle). What i will debate about is how People dismiss what Love does but praise what Blake does when both are on bad teams and both of there teams have won less game this year than last at this point.

There are many subjects on here i debate about that i don't truly believe but debate anyone because it gets pretty boring on here when everyone see's things from just one side instead of trying to look at both. Alot of Knick fans do this Alot of clipper fans do it and Even some Laker fan's do it. People may get butt hurt by what i say and so be it but it makes for very interesting debates and its never dull

Learned years ago in Communication class that people rather see a train wreck instead of a peace conference

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oh i don't think he's a

oh i don't think he's a number one option on a title team. But he can be a number one option on a playoff team like Zach and Aldridge.

You seriously dont remember some of these Love hate post??? google NBAdraft.net/ove or something along those lines and read the post, you must have missed alot of post because there are a couple of people who really don't think Love is as good as people say he is.

Another thing people don't think about is how hard it is to get rebounds,points when you are on a bad team or a bad defensive team. Love may not score as much on a good team but Rebounds is one thing that translates. If you are a good rebounder on a bad team, if you get the minutes on a good team you are just as good or even better because the other team will miss more shots since the new team you are on is a better defensive team. Rodman was a good rebounder and you put him with a great defensive team like the Bulls and he gets rebounds like they are rain drops because teams are missing even more shots.

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we can all agree love is a

we can all agree love is a very good player but isnt a franchise player talent

thats pretty obvs. at this pt.

y even agrue that???

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it was obvious i did all that

it was obvious i did all that to piss Urban and BTPH off. There are many subjects on here i debate about that i don't truly believe but debate anyone because it gets pretty boring on here when everyone see's things from just one side instead of trying to look at both. Alot of Knick fans do this Alot of clipper fans do it and Even some Laker fan's do it. People may get butt hurt by what i say and so be it but it makes for very interesting debates and its never dull

That's pretty weak. It almost sounds like you go the other way just to do it. If that's the case, that's lame. Colin Cowherd does it all the time, corny dudes do that. I admit, it does get bored as hell here, but that's because there's not alot of dudes that know basketball on here. For real, we got dudes talking about being gay, cats with depression and all that jazz. People get mad when I say it but, some dudes posts wouldn't even get read on here if they were stupid.

Realistically, there's like 10 dudes on here that talk basketball

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No i go the other way by

No i go the other way by looking at the other side. You call it weak but that's life. You may call it Corney but in the real world that's what gets guys like Colin Cowherd,Rush, ratings, paid. You will realize this more when you get out in the real world if you get into things like News,Radio,Even basketball scouting

I feel you on some of the subjects on here that have zero to do with basketball. But go on another basketball site and chat with people who only look at things from one side. That's also a Corney way to talk about basketball if you don't look at all side. If you argue about how a guy is not good because he's on a losing team try looking at it from the other side, how hard it is for a player to score while the other team sole purpose is to stop him.

This reminds me of a poster who's name i don't recall who made a post where he would argue for the other side of any subject someone brought up whether he believed it or not. That was one of the most popular and interesting post's that has been on here in awhile

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I hear you on the getting

I hear you on the getting paid part. But honestly, I wanna go down as one of the best. I feel he goes the other way and FOOLS get upset enough to call in his show. Real talk, the second he gets to while? Click, I go listen to Bomani Jones and he keeps it real. That's what I want to be. That's just me. I wanna get paid, but I'm not gonna be a punkass to get paid.

If your going the other way to prove I point, I feel you. I just think if your doing it, agreeing with everyone else, is lame. As for the dudes on the site, you got the ppl who's been here for years talking ball and the dudes who come here and bounce ideas off. I come here for a couple reasons, talking ball and gather different ideas or ways of looking at the game.

Some dudes come on here just talk ball and if they get it wrong, it's nothing and because they on the CPU, they can keep it moving. Like I said, the fact we can lose points for talking basketball is stupid, but people come here, so Aran won't remove it.

We need like 3-7 new dudes to come here and talk ball with different perspective. Alot of the same people talking alot, we kinds have the same opinion on the same things

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Like I don't wanna call him

Like I don't wanna call him out because he's my boy and he cool people

but MemphisTyga23 consistanty let gives out alot of post asking questions. The first couple times it was cool, but now it's like too many questions. Provide some thought into current games.

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As much as I dislike stanford

As much as I dislike stanford hoops, I won't lie. Me and him have had some stat filled and fact filled debates as well as well as stupid childish arguments.

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That's the real world for ya.

That's the real world for ya. Saying things on you're show that people don't agree with will get you ratings,Paid and a better job. The key is that once you get to the top that's when you start doing it the way you wanna do it. Just like a singer or rapper. You have to sing certain songs or rap a certain way in order to sell records and get paid and then when you get to the position you wanna be in you can start doing things more you're way (good example is Andree 3000)

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