With shoes, where you add about 1.25 inches, that makes him about 6'10. Why do you dislike Blake Griffin? Wait until you see him play an NBA game before totally writing him off. He was very unlucky and his expectations wwere very high, which made the spotlight on his injury even worse. It is not like people were expecting him to revolutionize his position, but he is a good, hardworking and athletic player with nice upside. He is also incredibly strong, which is a great thing to have for someone with his athleticism. He may not be a franchise player, but than again, people write off Greg Oden saying the same thing. At the same time, tell me that teams would not want to have those two guys just for the chance they stay healthy? If they are both healthy, they are both better than most players at their position on any given night, simple as that. That is why they both went #1, and if they ever get the chance to stay on the court, than it will be very evident.
I asked you a simple question and you failed to answer it.
Do you believe Blake Griffin is a FRANCHISE PLAYER?
Even Clippers' fans don't think he is.
I refuted the people here who thought Blake Griffin was a franchise player in '09... just as I refuted people elsewhere who thought Michael Beasley was a franchise player in '08 (guess who was right?).
That you keep giving thumbs down to posted statistical facts and actual measurements tells me you can't deal with the facts. How are the facts I've posted "wrong"?
You must believe Cole Aldrich has a better max vertical than Troy Murphy, Nick Collison and Channing Frye. Do you believe this?
Oh so you just post facts? What's the post of that? I can read stats anywhere. That doesn't make you smart. It actually makes it look like you don't watch basketball. And I have to doubt that you watch any of the players you talk about play...
And yes, I think Blake Griffin will become the best player on the Clippers. I don't thnik he'll be an elite franchise player like a Kobe or Kevin Durant, but he'll be the best player for the Clippers in the future, which will make him a franchise player.
I don't know what it is about a few of you people on this site this week saying I gave myself and take peoples points. I don't care enough about you or the point system to do that. I only give points....Never do I take away points or give myself points. I have more important things to do on here.
I don't think he has a better vertical than any of them. But I do think he'll provide a more valuable defensive and rebounding presence than any of those guys. And that's what he was drafted for. That is something your "facts" will tell you too....lol.
You are a joke
No. You're the joke.
I already posted that Cole Aldrich is better defensively than Murphy, Frye and Collison. So? He'd still be nothing but a scrub backup C on most NBA teams.... unless your team is starting Nick Collison at C... in which case Aldrich becomes an upgrade.
Still not impressed with him.
A 3 inch shorter version of Joel Pryzbilla isn't what I'd want starting at C.
cyclo, I'm the one who keeps giving you thumbs-down.
Im gonna cut your thumb off.
You still mad I gave you one thumbs down, like a year ago?
You were defending tli232. You had it coming.
What does height or max very have to do with anything? And if Dirk was shorter he would stll be a allstar because he's good.
Blake Griffin, Oklahoma
Height without shoes 6' 8.5"
Height with shoes -6' 10"
Weight - 248.4
Wingspan - 6' 11.5"
Standing Reach - 8' 9"
Body fat - 8.2
Haha i was defending tlii in a dream inside your dream, inside your dream.
You woke up into your other dream and gave me a negative for saying your wedding dress for your marriage with jnixon-iggy looked gay,
And then you ACTUALLY woke up and gave me a negative for telling a John Bryant joke thinking you were in a dream, but you ACTUALLY were in a dream when you gave me a negative for defending tlii.
Or maybe i shouldn't have seen Inception.
I just don't think he's a franchise player.
When people were hyping Blake as a franchise player in '09 and Beasely in '08, I said they're not.
When people were speculating about their heights prior to those drafts, I posted the speculation. Beasely turned out to undersized at 6'7" without shoes, while Blake measured 6'8.5" without shoes. Beasely is a tweener at the NBA level, while Blake is a legit PF. Still, Blake isn't much of a defender or shot blocker (just 1.2 blocks per game in college) with only a 6'11.25" wingspan which may contribute to his not being a shot blocker. Short arms for a PF. By comparison, Blake's 6'11.25" wingspan is shorter than players such as PF Jeff Green 7'1.25" and even SF Thaddeus Young 6'11.5".
And Robert Dozier too right.
So basically your a bust if your too short, and have a short wingspan?
Blake Griffin is shorter than Channing Frye.
Therefore he will be a bust.
Look at me. I'm a scout.
Blake Griffin has better skills and more athleticism than Channing Frye.
That's why Blake Griffin is better.
It's about more than height.
It's about skills.
At the C position, Cole Aldrich is shorter than Joel Pryzbilla and Eric Montross, but his offensive skills are no better than theirs were coming out of college. That doesn't bode well, except on Oklahoma City where he'd be a defensive upgrade over Nick Collison who's been playing out of position at C.
Butidonthavemoney...cut the nonsense and do something useful with your time....
Tally the damn votes so we can get the award presntations arollin
Thats the same thing i tried to tell people in 04
with ha seung jin
and silly old dwight howard
I would, but I have to go somewhere.
The votes are already in. Maybe I'll post the winners when I get home.
Ouch. My feelings are now hurt :/
Youve just been insulted by the person who said Tyrese Rice, is better than Ty Lawson.
Doesnt it sting?
All the way to the core timmahforprez....All the way to the core....I think I might cut my wrist smh
I never said Tyrese Rice is better than Ty Lawson.
^Yeah you did! We pulled the thread yesterday and saw it! Why would we make that up? Wouldn't that be EXTREMELY random to make something like that up?
...has still failed to refute even a single point.
When statistical, numerical and player measurement facts are presented, he simply claims they're "wrong" and then provides no examples and no supporting evidence.
Now who made it up....Stupid ass boy
You did make it up, because nowhere did I say Rice was better.
Lawson did get owned by Rice those two games, which is all that thread was about.
How is that thread wrong, considering Lawson DID get owned?
Again, where exactly did I say Rice was better?
I'm afraid that statement is nowhere to be found.
Wrong again, JNixon-Iggy9.
I love it.
Not only are you stupid. You can't read!
Did you show us any of Blake Griffins stats besides his blocks?
Your exact words were: "This is for every fool who thinks Ty Lawson is better just because he's on North Carolina."
How can you lie when the proof is in your face?
Blake's a good offensive player and rebounder, but he leaves a lot to be desired on the defensive end.
Not a franchise player.
He was OU's best player he couldnt afford to get into foul trouble thats why he didnt get as many blocks as he should. But he is a franchise player this year will prove it.
Again, that statement doesn't say I believed Rice was better.
Who cares anyway? I saw Rice own Lawson twice.
That was long before the '09 draft.
Later, during the '09 NCAA tournament, I believed Lawson was clearly better.
You'll have to find more examples than just one.
One isn't a bad track record, especially when I stated that Lawson was better prior to the '09 draft.
How in the HELL does that not show that you said Rice was better??? Thats EXACTLY what it says lmao
We pulled up all kinds of threads you were wrong about man....You're not right about anything you project. All you do is pull up stats. Stats that everyone knows. I'm done arguing with you. You're seriously stupid.
No. You're seriously stupid.
That's not what it says at all. Can you read?
Back in Jan '09, I said Lawson got owned by Rice twice. He did.
What's the big deal about that?
Back then, I said people shouldn't think Lawson is better just because he went to North Carolina. So?
In the weeks prior to the '09 draft, I said Lawson was clearly better.
Why ignore the fact that I said Lawson was better prior to the '09 draft?
In fact, I had Lawson in my '09 mock lottery.
wow going back to old posts, interesting. I wish people could back to the old post where i said Curry would be a great point guard and I said Phoenix Suns would definitely make the playoffs now that they have a coach in Gentry that likes to run and they got rid of Shaq.
I am just curious about that.
Blake Griffen plays in shoes and is going to be a stud and will be an All Star.
Okay right after i pull up the thread where you said Ramon Sessions is top five point guard.
Lol i know youve been right a lot, ive been right before (probably less) but still all of us have been right before except Cyclo.
How many examples do you need of me being right???
To state in April '09 that Lawson and Flynn may end up better NBA players than Thabeet, Hill and Clark was a projection held by exactly one poster on this board. Me.
"but still all of us have been right before except Cyclo"
Let's go home.
Let's go play some W.O.W.
That also wins.
Was that the beginning of another After-Hours adventure?
Or is this the beginning?
I say from now on, The After Hours Crew bombards cyclo with our patented nonsense everytime he posts. We'll drive him crazy.
He's gonna leave like LeBron:
Wasn't he the big face on the Power Rangers?
That lebron video was the best video ive ever seen.
that jay-z impression was so f'in funny.
I love it when people just post like we didn't ruin the topic already.
I KNOW YOU ARE READING THIS mbd!!!
LOL my bad
Just saw this on tv and he reminds me of the Nets new owner
Awesome. McDunkin + butidonthavemoney + me not having class tomorrow = Legendary Post.