Can you say Michael Beasley?
Marcus Fizer anyone?
Don't be surprised if legit 6'10" Jordan Hill or 6'11" Greg Monroe become the more dominant PFs on the next level.
So go ahead. Tout Blake Griffin as this franchise player. You were touting Michael Beasely last year also.
Blake Griffin is way more athletic than fizer. He jumps higher and is quicker and faster, that translates to todays nba game. paul millsap is getting 15 and 10 with regular minutes. he is only about 6' 8" and griffin is more athletic than him. griffin could be a 22 and 12 guy in the league, but at worst he is a 16 and 8 guy which is way better than marcus fizer. As for Beasley, he hasn't played a whole season yet. If he was getting the minutes Rose and Mayo were, he would be putting up close to 20 points and 6 or 7 rebounds a game. His percentages are decent and he is learning from dwayne wade. Why can't beasley be a franchise player, he is 20 years old. Monroe may be a good player in the league, but jordan hill is going to be a bust if he is a top 5 pick. he is at best a 15 and 7 rebound guy, which would be good for a team after the number 5 pick.
The guy doesn't even have a year under his belt and people on this site are writing him off already. The guy has shown flashes of the player he is going to be...a stud. People were saying last year at this time that Durant was overrated because his shooting %s were so low. I think he has answered those critics. Beasley will be a 20 & 10 guy i believe.
Well if he is 6'8 well then he will have to work a little harder but there are plenty of good NBAers that were 6'8 or so that play or played big like brand and barkley now im not comparing them to him but dont say he cant do it and beasly is not playing big thats a big reason he hasent played as well when your standing out jackin up threes all day you dont rebound and he dosent play like a big anyother way either so thats an unfair comparison and fizer give me a break.
Who cares how tall he is. Wait until we find out how long his standing reach is. You don't block shots with your head.
The only player averaging more rebounds and points than Mike Beasley, while playing around the same minutes is Charlie Villanueva.... And he's only averaging 1 rebound and 3 points more, while playing a additional 3 mins. and STARTING... Mike is a Rookie... I think telling you these facts, you should think about what you are saying!!!
Blake will be cool... He gets better every year and his game is polished more than Fizers ever was....
Where are you getting these reports cyclo? ESPN.com(world wide leader in sports!) has Griff listed at 6'10. He is clearly 2-3 inches taller than his Bro (listed at 6'7"). As for Monroe, he isnt a banger and never will be. he is a finesse guy and i wouldnt be suprised if he saw time at the 3, due to his athleticism and intangibles. Here are some Monroe rebound numbers: 5 boards vs. UL, 3 vs. Tennessee, 4 vs. Marquette, 3 vs. UConn, and only double digit rebounds on 4 occasions. Griff is a Banger/Baller/Gansta and he will compete at a very high level next year, undoubtedly.
Milsap is only 6-6 or 6-7. Blake Griffen doesn't need to be as tall as Hill or Monroe to be the better player.
point bieng, Height Isn't everything. If he is only 6'8, which I kinda doubt if anything he is like 6'8 3/4 barefoot which is about 6'10 in shoes anyways, but even If he is a flat 6'8, thats really not that short for a power forward. It's not tall, but its just about average, especially with his chizzled build he wont have size problems. In college, guys he is bigger than aren't fast enough to keep up with him. In the pro's guys bigger than him dont stand a chance. My comparison with him is an Amare like player, but with an all around game geared towards winning. The kid is a winner, will be an allstar several times and has 0 chance of bieng a bust like Fizer. At the absolute worst he would be Kenyon Martin before the injuries, who was starting to look pretty good with Jason Kidd and the Nets and never really was able to hit his peak. Kid is a starter his whole career, bottom line, and probably more. Beasley too, give the poor guy a break he is A ROOKIE, and is a solid contributer on a playoff team. What the hell more could you expect?
The difference between these two is that Blake Griffin has the drive and will to succeed and become the best player he can, and myself and a lot of others, I'm sure, never really saw that intensity and fire in Beasley. Both have the talent, but the best NBA players actually put in the work to maximize their potential. Regardless of whether Griffin is 6' 10" or 6' 8", he can be a great NBA player soon.
the game of basketball is going back to shorter power forwards or long/thin athletic forwards, just think the last few paul milsap, chuck smith, brandon bass, jared dudley,leon powe, carlos boozer of the thin athletic ones like tyrus thomas, hakim warrick, josh smith, and darrel arthur
and look at college with tyler hansbrough, varnado from mississippi state, tasmin mitchell(who could play either forward), dejuan blair, patrick patterson, jeff adrien, trevor booker so........
blake griffin at 6'8 will still be better than most of those players except for maybe carlos boozer, josh smith, and i'm still holding out on my hometown kids tyrus thomas and brandon bass-they both have flashes when they consistently get minutes, and another louisiana kid milsap is also a beast
so blake griffin-rookie year 13 and 7, career 19 and 9
I agree with most people in that Blake Griffin will do just fine. Of the numerous short PF's that have been mentioned I'm surprised no one said Elton Brand. While is definitely a lot thicker than Griffin, it proves that height isn't everything. If it were, guys like Manute Bol and Shawn Bradley would have been the greatest players ever. There's a certain point when skill trumps physical stature and I believe Griffin has enough basketball talent to overcome his shortcomings. That said Monroe may turn out to be a better pro than Griffin (Hill will not be I can assure you of that) but at this point in the game it would be wise to take Griffin over him because of the assurance that he will be a solid performer.
yea totally forgot about elton
Dont write off beasley this fast man, he will be a 20 10 guy next year guaranteed. But dont read too much in the blake grffin size thing, he is a good athlete (even 4 nba standaRDS) with long arms and exceptional strength. He will be a bull in the nba 2...
Im sick and tired of hearing people talk trash about Blake Griffin, the dude is an absolute animal on the court. He has the intensity, athleticism, and with an improving skill set who cares if he is only 6' 8'' (even though i still think he is a legit 6' 10''). In case anyone hasn't noticed, there really aren't that many huge power forwards anymore nowadays. Blake Griffin is gonna be an absolute stud once he gets to the pros, mark my words. I think he is a mix between Shawn Kemp (pre-drug problems) and Carlos Boozer. I dont know bout ya'll but ill take that type of player any day. He won't fail
a lot of big power fowards get drafted high, like dwight howard, amare stoudemire, and pau gasol. but guess what they all end up playing center for the most part of their careers. if griffin is 6' 8", it only helps him because that will keep him at strictly power forward where he can dominate bigger guys with his speed and athleticism or over power smaller guys on the block.
I agree with the supporters of Blake Griffin. This guy is an absolute beast he will at least be on Paul Millsaps level when Boozer was out and that is borderline all-star level. With that being said don't count out Greg Monroe he has the most upside of anyone in this year's draft. What is scary is that Griffin could be the next Boozer while Monroe turns into the next Chris Bosh. Both the guys are great but right now you got to go with Griffin. Two seasons from now Monroe might make you regret that. Oh one other note I think Hill is a hustle energy type guy nothing more. He can help a good team become great but on a bad lottery team he wouldn't help at all.
It still boggles the mind when people throw height out there when talking about a prospect, height is not a deal breaker when it comes to NBA potential. Hakeem the Dream was 6'10" in shoes but dominated in an era when there were legit dominate 7+ footers in the game. Charles Barkley was probably 6'5" on a good day and was untouchable on the box. Calvin Murphy was 5 foot nuthin and did work back in the day. Wes Unseld 6'8" going toe to toe with Wilt the Stilt. Joe Dumars was 6'3" and more than held his own on a nightly basis against the Jordans and Reggie Millers of the NBA (real BIG guards). I could go all day with this but what I'm saying is if your special your special....period. Blake Griffin is special.
i forgot to throw in one of my all time favorite players Larry "Grand mama" Johnson (before the back went out) 6'7" and was on his way to being one of the dominate power forwards in the game before the back injury sucked out his explosiveness
I think that he is a legit 6-9 maybe 6-10 in shoes. His wingspan will be very important. Comparing Greg Monroe and Blake Griffin is ridiculous. They are completely different types of players and bring something different to the table. Charles Brakley was 6-4 3/4 barefoot which is right at 6-6 in shoes, and like I always say, the game is played in shoes, so let's kill that myth about Barkley. Michael Beasley is fine at 6-8 because he has a much more skilled offensive game than Griffin because he can step out and shoot the long ball, so being 6-8 isn't necessarily a bad thing for him. Larry Johnson was one of the more overrated players of all time. He was a big strong guy who was a glorified garbage player. All of his buckets came within 5 feet of the basket, which doesn't suggest much skill level. He later developed a long range game after he lost his explosion, but when he was in his prime he was just a brute inside. If you took 30 pounds off of LJ's body what was he ?
Why you bangin on LJ? I said he was one of MY all time favorites not the best in the world or something. I'm sure we all have our favorite players that everyone is not gonna agree on. I just thought the dude was a beast (in his prime) and I liked to watch him do work. As far as Chucky goes he himself says he is closer to 6'5" than anything else and he says that all the time. My point was lets not get caught up on the height, special players over come that.
griffin will never have 22 12 season
Why you say that? He's a great rebounder, so averaging 12 isn't out of the question. He'll be a 15 point scorer next season. I don't see why he can't average 22 eventually.
he was great rebounder in college, he didnt even play nba game so i dont want to predict crazy numbers before i see him in nba...
And cyclo says he doesnt go just off measurements?
Remind me to NEVER listen to what Cyclo says...
Okay, ill pop up the thread where he said Tyrese Rice, is better than Ty Lawson.
Barkley was 6-4 and 3/4, and led the NBA in rebounding.
It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog. (And no, I'm not endorsing dog fighting.)
Has cyclo been right about anything?
It doesn't look good for Luke Babbitt.
What he say about babbit? All star? I doubt it. But he will be a pretty good player
He also thinks that everyone plays basketball barefoot too. Griffin measured 6'10'' in shoes, I tried to tell him Cole Aldrich was 6'11'' in shoes and he said it didn't matter beacuse he measured 6'9'' in socks so he was vastly undersized.
Try something a little steeper lol. He compared Babbitt to Dirk Nowitzki lol. Said he was a 6' 9" Dirk.
blake is 6ft 10in in a game he jumped so high that he hit his head on the backboard blake will be great with his athleticism strength and skill he has.
Ouch Dirk. Lol
Blake Griffin measured 6'8.5" without shoes.
Why is that so far off?
And the original post is from Feb. 2009 when it was reported that Griffin may end being shorter than his listed height.
Wasn't there pre-draft camp speculation to that effect?
People here were touting Blake Griffin as a FRANCHISE PLAYER.
He wasn't then and he isn't now.
Who thinks Blake Griffin is a franchise player now?
we havent seen him play yet
Blake Griffin is Carlos Boozer on defense.
Not much of a defender or shot blocker (1.2 blocks per game in college is pathetic).
Blocked fewer shots per game in college than Michael Beasley.
He's athletic, but his max vertical is 35.5 inches.
Don't overhype the guy.
That was my first post ever on this site.
Still undersized for a guy with a pathetic 28 inch max vertical. That's less hops than Troy Murphy and Nick Collison.
Troy Murphy 34.5 inches.
Nick Collison 33 inches
Cole Aldrich 28 inches
Call him 6'10" with shoes if you want, but he's not 6'11" minus the fake lifts.
And he was a worse offensive player in college than Joel Pryzbilla and Eric Montross who at least weren't undersized for the position.
Dirk is 7'0". His height really helps him get his shot off.
But if Dik were 6'8" or 6'9" would he be as good?
Think he'd be a player like Babbitt who shares the same offensive skills minus 3-4 inches.
Yeah, he doesn't have Robert Dozier shot blocking potential...pathetic
Aran, can we please get an "Ignore User" feature?
What does Robert Dozier have to do with this?
Blake Griffin in college:
0.8 blocks per game in '07-08.
1.2 blocks per game in '08-09.
Height without shoes:
Troy Murphy 6'9.75"
Channing Frye 6'9.5"
Cole Aldrich 6'9"
Nick Collison 6'8.75"
Troy Murphy 34.5 inches.
Nick Collison 33 inches
Channing Frye 31 inches
Cole Aldrich 28 inches
All that shows is that Griffin isn't a truly good shot-blocker, which is true. It doesn't, however, give relevant facts about his impact as an overall player. You can be an extremely effective NBA player without getting a bunch of blocked shots.
And the fact that you're NEVER right makes you never believable
I think Cole Aldrich will be an upgrade over Nick Collison (who's been playing out of position at C) , since Aldrich is better defensively, but on most teams Aldrich would be backup C material.
Then challenge my statements one by one.
Thus far, I see you've failed to do so.
I'm posting statistical facts, measurements, so how can you say I'm not right?
Do you think Blake Griffin is a FRANCHISE PLAYER and will you stand by that statement?
Just look at everything you've ever posted on this site....EVERYTHING. And you tell me what you've been right about...
All stand by that griffin will be an All Star very soon.
Not sure about franchise player.