I admit, I'm a Blake Griffin hater, but I've watched a lot of him this season, and I expected more. His skill set is still lacking. When he gets the ball in the post, he rarely actually post up. He basically always faces up, does his usual between the legs crossover (which gets plucked a lot), and forces up a shot. His lack of length really hurts his ability to finish against other bigs. And he still can't shoot a lick. He can't make mid-range jumpers or FTs. And don't get me started on his horrible defense.
He's still a beast on the boards, but I expected more from someone that was being dubbed as a top 10 player in the offseason.
I also want to say that I hate this guys personality. Dude is a douche. He whines about EVERY call, and he flops. But I didn't let that get in the way of my analysis of his game. I just think he's overrated, and I don't think he's a franchise player.
The only things Blake is missing from his game is a good mid range jump.shot good ft numbers and great length.. just image if he had a 7'4 wingspan? He needs to improve like every second/ third year player but he's ahead of the pack by far
I dont agree with alot of what your saying, particularly about him being a franchise player. He's definitely that and will be that for the future too.
Blake Griffin does need to work more on his back to the basket game, but he's above average there. He shows an advanced feel for passing and being aware down low as well, which is an accomplishment for a 2nd/3rd year PF. He does have a good handle for a PF, but I think he does try and get too fancy sometimes. It comes with time and you see guys who has prodigious ability early on get too fancy at times. Griffin also is a subpar defender right now, he really needs to play with more urgency on D. He can easily take over games with his athleticism, and he really is an elite scorer, athlete and rebounder despite not having great fundamentals yet. He should be an All-time great as he matures, he seems to be a real hard worker too. He's gonna be a great player, if he isn't already. Only things he's missing is the proper fundamentals overall.
I lived in SoCal and watched most of his games in his NBA career and your on point with everything you said, I'm with you even to the point of being a Hater. His athleticism/motor is the ONLY reason he is an NBA player. Unfortunately for him he has been more athletic his whole life and never got to work on his fundamentals in the post.
His attitude reflects poorly on himself and it disrepects the game. I can't wait to see/hear his reaction after they leave him off team USA. Hopefully it will check his ego and force him to work on his game.
I hear you. But I know there were many shocked people when ESPN pegged Griffin as a top 10 player in the offseason and many who watch basketball knew that was too high. So he may have been overrated in that aspect.
But you must realize, this is this dudes second full year of playing and still is developing his offensive skills. And even at that he is still averaging 20+ ppg. He sat out his entire rookie year and exceeded all expectations last year. He has brought excitement to a franchise that has never had a good reason to cheer for its basketball team. If he wasnt a franchise player I dont think the Clippers would have took him number 1 or been in a position to aquire a top PG like Chris Paul.
I see what you are saying, but Griffin is still oozing with potential and he turns 23 in March. How is a guy who's capable of giving you 25+ ppg, 12+ RPG, make you attractive for other superstar players, and energizing a fanbase not a franchise player?
His build makes him the most athletic big/player in the NBA. I can't and i'm not arguing anything about his productivity, the boy gets #'s. I really don't like the age bail-out because Drose, KD, Love, Curry, and countless other around players his age are FAR more polished than B.Griffin and seemingly have much better work ethics because we have seen them add so much to their games in a short amount of time.
He is neither the leader nor the best player on that team. CP3 takes both without question. Blake is a typical AAU player that always cops n attitude, thinks he's the sh!t, and has little-no professionalism about him. All that being said, being around classy vets like chauncey and CP3 should help him to mature quickly. Leaders are born and he definetly did not get that trait, he was blessed with athletic ability tho.
I wouldn't say he is overrated. I think it is fair to maybe say he hasn't improved as much as we had hoped. His jumper isn't good, his free throws are horrendous, his post game isn't elite, and his defense is subpar. It is still only year 2 though. He is adjusting to all the new talent around him.
"I admit, I'm a Blake Griffin hater, but I've watched a lot of him this season, and I expected more."
Best start to a post ever.
The hate in ur heart has skewed ur judgement. Any gm/coach/player wud like to have blake. Barring injury hes a career 20/10 easily. And thats if he never starts makin that midrange jumper.
But that is mostly based on speculation and long term potential. I mean, he averaged 22.5 ppg and 12.1 rpg as a rookie. That is pretty freaking ridiculous. Tim Duncan averaged 21.1 ppg and 11.9 rpg, albeit on a contending team and being a much more complete and infinitely better defensive player (not to mention getting 1st Team All-NBA honors. Yes, as a rookie), but that is a frame of reference for Griffin's rookie year numbers being pretty awesome.
All I have to say is, who cares if he is "only in the NBA because of his motor and athleticism". Not only is that a bogus statement, but the guy obviously is a complete beast and has done a solid job of overpowering a majority of the competition. Plus, his team is 9-5 right now. In his second year. They obviously got some help, but Griffin has not exactly taken a swan dive. If he is "struggling" this season or looks like he has taken a step back, the fact is, most people have been.
Let's put it this way, anyone expecting Blake Griffin to put up even bigger numbers this year is looking at the wrong thing. HIS TEAM IS WINNING. That is the key, people. Most guys usually do not have to go absolutely ape to get their team to win, especially once they get a bit more sufficient help. The guy is a poor FT shooter, we knew that, but he shoots over 50% from the field. Athleticism may help it, but that is still a number a majority of PF's who take as many shots as Blake are below.
I will admit that I found it weird that Blake was already being ranked in the top 10 players in the league, but I think he is well on his way. He may b!tch and moan to refs, but I do not know a lot of players who refrain from such action. His defense is an issue now, but he has strength, energy and a work ethic that could make him atleast a passable defender with time. Most players struggle with defense early on in their careers (Kevin Love still does, too) and it is something that comes with time more often than not.
The one thing I will say is, he seems to play hard and have desire. I still think that there are PF's better than him, but to say he is overrated just seems a tad ridiculous at this point. He is a 2nd year player who seems to either kill or hold his own against most of the players he goes up against. For a guy who only uses his athleticism to score (which again, is not necessarily true), he is doing a pretty damn good job. Hate him all you want, I know I am not as much of a fan of him as many people seem to be, but this guy is a big time player. Right now. In the future, it is pretty easy to see him becoming the best PF in the league and one of the better players. He may not be the explosive scorer that Karl Malone was, but he is the closest thing to Karl since he has retired. Plus, he averaged more rebounds as a rookie than the Mailman did in any single season of his career.
It's just that people expected too much of him. He was made into a god last season, dominating the top 10, all the speculations about what nickname he needs, rookie all-star (which honestly should've gone to Aldridge).
Seems some people expected him to have a 25 & 15 season, dominating every day, being an MVP candidate. He's very-very good, but probably shouldn't be an all-star this year and people should really stop regarding him as something superhuman.
I don't get why people are always complaining about his "lack of scoring ability/skills." He is averaging 21 ppg on a team with a winning record. It doesn't matter how you score your points, because they all show up the same way on the scoreboard anyways...
I've never seen two players in Blake Griffin and Kevin Love put up such great stats, and still get so much hate for the things they CAN'T do as players......
I've been saying this for months, Yes he's a highlight reel waiting to happen. He's raw on fundamentals. Jump shot is lacking and weak post up game and not to mention defense so sad that we can't wait for the Clippers to get back on offense.
He's a work in progress and hopefully Vinny Del Negro notices that and gets somebody in there to teach Griffin and DeAndre some post moves
I'm a Clippers fan and a Blake fan and I admit he is overrated. His post game is weak (maybe he should work with the Dream this summer just like everyone else). His FT shooting is shakey at best. His defense is subpar and dribbles in place too much to get in rhythm. That being said he has the motor to make up for these short commings and work ethic to improve on them all in the future. I still beleive he's a franchise player.
You overuse the word overrated. John Wall was overrated 2 weeks ago according to you, you still can't possibly believe that. LeBrons athleticism is "overrated" according to you, which is absurd. I really think you just live in the moment to regularly. If Durant has an off shooting game and goes 4-20 next night you will say he is inefficient or something. Back to the topic. I dislike Griffins attitude probably more than any player in the game now, but he is very talented. I agree his D is just bad, and he doesn't play to win yet, and his motor is only going on one end of the court. Now those are huge problems but he is still one of the most individually talented players in the game. His finishing ability is off the charts and he has a great touch around the rim. He might be slightly overrated if people consider him a top 10 player, then yes. But to me he is a top 10 talent and a top 15-20 player.
How does an apparent Wizards fan hate someone "for being a douche"? Your team is full of douches, floppers, and whiners.
As for the rest...maybe he's overrated, but he's not so far away from being the best PF in the league like you seem to suggest. He's at a point where his post game is still developing, and is getting a lot of his offense just by physically outmatching his opponent. You're acting like he's not a second year player and should be getting Kareem skyhooks off every time he gets the ball.
The only reason anyone says he is over rated is that he plays exciting basketball and people who know nothing of the game confuse flashy dunks with being a great player. He gets a lot of hype because of this. Anyone with any knowledge of the game can see he is very raw. Its scary that he can put up 22 and 12 playing off athleticism alone. He is a nice passer which shows he has decent bball IQ but has no go to move on the offensive end and plays poor D. Hopefully practicing with team USA he will improve a lot on D as other young guys improved from learning from coach K.
Pretty much everything you said is wrong. Jnixon and jamminlemon had very good posts tho
Despite all the focus on his weaknesses he is still a top 5 power forward in the L. Eat your hearts out haters.
I still think Wall is overrated. He has all the athleticism in the world, but he's lacking in the PG skills the greats had. What kind of #1 pick that was a PG had poor handles, no post game, and no floater like Wall? Lately, he's been playing better and has been playing better in the half-court and has started using more hesitation and change-of-pace moves, and has started showing signs of a floater, but he's not a franchise player until he improves on his many flaws. Can he become a franchise player? Yes, but he needs to keep on improving a lot on his weaknesses. I do think Wall has a good work ethic, so I'm confident he will. So it's up to the Wizards to give him the right resources i.e. shooting coach, dribbling coach, etc.
And I still feel the same way I felt in the summer about LeBron's athletic decline. But he's still a very good athlete that is very fast in the open court and can get up there. And he's made some slight improvements in his post game and his jumper looks good this year, so he's compensated for the loss a little. But I still don't think LeBron has the ability to take over like he used to. Yeah, you can say he took over in the game vs. SA last week when he started raining 3's, but that's not a winning formula, and he's not going to be that hot in the playoffs every game. He can't get to the cup or finish in the half-court like he used to. I'd still take guys like Rose, KD, and Melo over him in the 4th.
Consider this: Blake Griffin is a poor free-throw shooter with a decent -- not standout -- back-to-the-basket game and an inconsistent mid-range jumper, yet he STILL manages to drop 20+ppg while shooting 50% from the floor.
Top 10 player after last year wow ppl lead to relax.
The Pf's in the league aren't that bad Dirk, Lamarcus, Gasol, Amare, Love.
Obviously guys like Wade, Kobe, Lebron, Durant, CP3, DWill, Rose, Dwight Howard were better than him too.
His offensive game isn't really polished his jumper is inconsistent.
He does have a lot of moves but tried to dunk all the time doesn't get it done and he struggles from the free throw line. Not a shot blocker either which is suprising with his leaping ability.
His potential is very high, but whether you guys want to get upset or not, he is not a franchise player right now. He has no post game, very poor shooting mechanics and struggles when he catches the ball to far away from the basket.
Only rookies to ever average 22+ppg and 12+rpg.
- Elgin Baylor - Hall of Famer
- Wilt Chamberlain - Hall of Famer
- Walt Bellamy - Hall of Famer
- Elvin Hayes - Hall of Famer
- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - Hall of Famer
- Shaquille O'Neal - Future Hall of Famer
- Blake Griffin
Not to mention, only Shaq was younger than Griffin in his rookie year.
You're right, he's off to a terrible start to his NBA career.
Did I say he was off to a terrible start? All I'm saying is that I thought I would see more progress from somebody that was hyped up as much as he was during the offseason.
And didn't Tezo mention something about him having knee tendinitis? It looks like it's effecting him, because he's noticeably not jumping as high as he was last season.
Blake has played less than 100 NBA games so he won't be the finished article yet, but he's probably ahead of most of the current top NBA PFs at a similar time in their career maybe apart from Tim Duncan who had David Robinson alongside him.
There are parts of Blake's game that will improve and with CP3 on board then he has got the perfect feeder. Blake has a long way to go but he's already one of the better PF's in the NBA and an All Star within a couple of years he will surely be in the top 3 PF's in the league and a true Franchise Player.
Imagine if he had declared in 2008 and got taken in the 6 to 10 range as he was predicted, he could have been a Clipper then or maybe gone to Charlotte, the Bucks or even the Knicks. Imagine how those team's fortunes could have changed if he had been on the roster or the different sort of moves they may have made.
I actually agree with the concept. To me, Blake Griffin is overrated. He's a great player, top 15, but top 10? No, I can name more then 12 players I rather have over Blake today. The issue with Blake to me is he doesn't have post moves, and he looks uncomfortable when his back is to the basket. He's a good passer, but he fouls alot, he don't shoot well from the line, and more importantly, he doesn't look like a great fit next to CP3 because he doesn't have a jumper that could help him off P/R, nor does he have the ability to just throw the ball in to him for 4-6 trips down the court. He seems small (more 6-9 from my eye IMO), and he can blocked at the rim.
He's not terrible, but I'd take LaMarcus Aldridge and Kevin Love over him because they're more polished IMO.
Also, I feel Blake should develop a jumper over post moves, because I just don't think he's ever gonna be a guy like Zach Randolph or Aldridge who has comfort with his back to the basket.
The thing that's disappointed me is that he's playing less minutes and averaging more turnovers while playing with Chris Paul, and to me it seems that he's playing dumber and less D than what he was last season. the FT% has gotten worse by nearly 13%. That really is disappointing, and i want to see some improvement, he's the same if not slighlty worse than last season. I can't deny his unbelievable motor and athletiscm, he still scores at a great clip, but some improvement would be nice so he isn't a taller version of a Vince Carter.
I'm sure if he didn't have Mo Williams, Chauncey Billups, and Caron Butler, Griffin would be averaging atleast 26ppg. I don't see how much more you want.
I agree that his post-moves aren't that great but neither are Dwight Howard's and he's still talked about as the best center in the league. Why is that a knock on him? Sure he's not the most skilled player but he's using his advantages and strengths to score. Isn't that what the NBA is about? Using your physical, athletic, and mental advantages to outplay your opponent?
His game isn't complete, it's nowhere near complete but how many 2nd year players have the entire package? Hell, there are some 8 year players that still don't have the entire package. To put it into further words, LeBron James himself doesn't have the entire package. It takes years to put it all together.
I agree that his post-moves aren't that great but neither are Dwight Howard's and he's still talked about as the best center in the league.
Dwight is the best defensive player in the league.
Yes, but defense doesn't score points. He still puts up 22ppg+ on a nightly basis and his offense is non-existent.
You can be dominant on offense without being polished, Griffin and Howard are prime example of that.
^Defense doesn't score points, but they do take points away from the other team. The object of the game is to have more points than the other team by the last buzzer. And taking points away sure does help the cause. Just saying
I just watched LeBron James run all over the Sixers on Friday night. Almost every bucket he got was because of his athleticism. I hate the guy but his athleticism is not in any way overrated. When another 6-8 265 guy with a 4.37 fourty and mad skills comes into the league, we'll talk. I would argue John Wall with you but you watch a lot more Wiz games than me so I will take your word for it. I'm hoping he &$#%#&@! a brick tonight against the Sixdogs so we can get an easy win over the dead fetus that is named the Washington Wizards.
I think Blake is a great basketball player and all but I'm really beginning to dislike him as a player. He's an exciting, athletic freak but his attitude is really starting to annoy me. I'm okay with a player being physical but he pushes and hooks arms all the time. And when a call doesn't go his way, he complains and whines and puts his hands on his head in disbelief. Also, he'll push you in the back to get a rebound, but if you do the same to him, he'll freak out.
Blake is also a great flopper. I remember one sequence when he was playing the Nets. Shelden Williams went up for a layup, only to have it blocked by Blake. Instead of giving up on the play, Shelden fought for the offensive rebound, tying up Blake, only to have Blake flop and land on his back and then taunt Shelden with a kind of "lol u mad bro i blocked your shot?". Shelden did nothing wrong but fight for the ball but Blake got all mad at him for being physical with him.
All in all, he is a terrific basketball player but he needs to stop thinking he is entitled to every call and every ball.
Just leaving this video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQrNYIBw3fw
I think apb put it in the best terms.
Is LeBron overrated because he scores purely on his athleticism?
But TOL23, Dwight is the best defensive player by far in the league. If Dwight was 20% worse as a defensive player, I think the lack of a post game would be an issue. To be honest, I don't think you can win a title with Dwight as you're best player anyway.
What I do agree with is Blake has alot of time to get better, it's just, a couple of those things that need improving are things that players come into the league at a decent level at. To me, he can add post moves, but I don't see a high potential for a great post game. The jumper could be there next season, but the defense improving? I don't see it.
As I've said before, it's not like Blake Griffin is not trying to play defense. He's not Amar'e or Carmelo.
Blake Griffin wants to play defense, the effort is there play in and play out. It's just a simple matter of experience. When I started playing basketball for my high school a couple of years back, I wasn't an above average defender as I am now. It took a while to get used to the skill level of other players, the speed of the game, and the complexity of every fake, every pump, and every move. He just joined the NBA guys. He's played less than 100 games. He's not going to be a dominant defense presence at the start, plus that's why DeAndre Jordan is on that team. They are perfect compliments to eachother because one of them is pure defense while the other is pure offense.
Blake Griffin will end up being an average defender or even an above average defender with time. Like I said, it's not like the effort isn't there like Stoudemire.
I remembered what Charles Barkley said... Once Blake Griffin "learns how to play basketball, he'd be unstoppable"... Clearly, he is playing because of the talent that he owns but once he learns the fundamentals, he's going to be a force for years to come... Are you kidding me? The kid has more potential than I've ever imagined. He's a franchise player...period..
This is ridiculous... Is Griffin a bit overrated? Yes. But you guys are acting like he's a bad player. Any GM in the league would want this guy on his team. Who cares if he cant knock down a jump shot or shoot FT's. He scores, has good FG %, rebounds, plays hard, puts fans in the seats, and can attract other star players. He's not perfect,, but give the dude a break.
Also, you can definitely win a title with Dwight as your best player...honestly all he needs is a legit all star guard (Jameer doesn't even sort of count)
But in a post asking if he's overrated, do you expect him getting praise? I mean, all players have weaknesses, but when you call a guy a top 10 player, he shouldn't have monster weaknesses like Blake does to refute that. Think Tim Duncan, he was top 10 as soon as jump into the league and slapped up another great season with no debate. Blake is playing well, but we're seeing a few cracks in the top 10 debate.
I just disagree on Dwight. He's great, but he doesn't have that extra where you see guys like Kobe, Wade, and such had when you get there. I feel like sometimes, he plays at the level he plays, he never steps it up a notch IMO.
IF Blake Griffin is overrated, it's only because of all of the ESPN/Sportscenter, Chris Paul, LA/big market and "Lob City" hype.
JNixon-Iggy9's post was 100% on point.
I've only had two real problems with Griffin this season and they've been free-throw shooting and defense. Defensively, he doesn't close out quick enough on shooters and still just doesn't know where to be. He'll never be a shot blocker, but neither was Karl Malone. You can become a good defender without being a shot blocker. You just have to work at it. He shows an unbelievable motor playing offense and getting rebounds, but he doesn't show that motor at the defensive end. I don't think he's realized how to use his physical tools on defense yet, without getting in foul trouble.