With the excellent play of Robert Griffin this season, I thought to myself will his skin color hinder his draft position? Realistically the way he is playing as of now, come the combine nd all tht he will be a top 5 pick.
Will being black affect his draft stock? The NFL is obviously predominantly black but with that being said why arent there more black QBs? Why arent there any elite black QBs? ( sorry vick is not an elite QB) My good friend says he would never draft a black QB because there boneheads at the position ( yes, that was a racist ) but is he right in a sense? With guys like jamarcus russell flaming out and donovon mcnabb ending his career where are the black QBs, im not sold on josh freeman quite yet, and i dont think he will ever be an "elite" QB. Obviously Cam Newton is looking amazing and like a once in a 5 yr type talent but until he starts winning ball games the juries still out, and he is a freak athlete as well.
My best friend is black, so no im not racist, but i dont think I would invest in making a black QB my franchise player, and deep down inside i think a lot of gms and owners feel the same way, historically white qbs have had a billion times more success where as blacks have more success at every other position on the field then whites..... How come blacks cant seem to succeed at the QB position when they dominate every other position? Food for thought? Save the racist comments, play the race card another day cause it doesnt apply here.
Wow man... Wow... IDK what else to say.. This is a stupid post..
This is the reason that racism with never die.. People will read into things way too much.. Lets set and count how many black politicans there are and then lets say "I will never vote for a black president because there have only been white ones..." This post has no place in Modern America.
We are all responsible for racism still being around.. The whites for being stuck in old ways. The blacks for thinking that every missed opportunity is because of color. Old people for teaching young people that people of other races are infereior and young people for not making their own decision about a person before listing to other peoples opinioins....
Warren Moon was pretty good
LOL wow cant even have a convo regarding race without ppl freaking out...... unreal
why cant ppl just look at the numbers??
African Americans DOMINATE the nfl and every position but QB.... all im asking is why is tht? i find tht quite odd, the lack of african americans playing QB in the nfl
save the whole racism is alive and well in america, its u guys hoo r pathetic, all im asking is does anyone else find it odd how there is a lack of black QBs? There has to be a reason
"My best friend is black, so no im not racist, but i dont think I would invest in making a black QB my franchise player,"
That is the most backwards, disrespectful, ignorant, and contradicting sentence I've ever seen.
"My best friend is black, so no im not racist"
W. T. F.?
As an Eagles fan, I'm proud and happy to say that McNabb did an excellent job as our QB. Through all the negativitey, he held his own and now Vick is going through it all as well.
Most colleges try to recruit black qbs out of high schools that fit into their system...And as long as they team is winning and successful,the coaches dont teach them how to do the things nfl teams are looking for..
I dont get what you are so mad about... I didnt blame racism on you.. I said we are all at fault... Every person and every race... You made alot of mistakes..
You claim to not be racist but you make a racist post... You post about football on a basketball website.. You freak out when I call you out.. You make no valid points other than "look"..
This is a racist topic and you knew that... You even put it in the title... Then you get all pissy when someone calls you out...
This topic is a waste of time and you are looking for a "fight" by posting it..
ya whats the problem with tht? my best friend is black, i said tht so idiots like u can save calling me a racist and this and that, and im sorry but there is a reason blacks havent succeeded at the QB position and when u look at it historically I dont think its out of line to say I wouldnt draft a black qb over a white qb having the same skill set..... all you guys like numbers and stats so i dont get y this is so shocking when historically blacks have been lackluster at the QB position....
Having an African-American friend does not give you or anyone the right to make racist remarks.
It's a petty and pathetic excuse/reason.
Thats like asking if you draft a white player #1 overall over a black one. I don't believe your racist, just not wording it the right way. either way If I was a gm and I was looking for a QB, I would pick which one would better fit my team, and who has more potential as well as a more mature mindset. Race is not a factor, as for why there are more white qbs over blacks I have no idea, maybe they people want to be wrs,cbs. or other positions.
This is a conversation that has been had for many years. Research has been done on this subject. The way you wrote your original post deserves flack. Weather or not you are a racist, you have to appraoch this kind of subject with some care. Making a statement like "I don't think I'd invest in a black QB" is probably not the brightest thing to say unless you can handle the back lash. You are right that, in general, GM's are more reluctant to draft a black QB. Whether its fair or not, racist or not, is an interesting to debate to have. At the end of the day, the GM is going to make the best decision for his team.
ok tongueout, so why do u think blacks havent succeeded at the QB position?, instead of calling me a racist, and as always playing the race card when anyone says anything bad about a black athlete... y do u think they havent succeeded? all u have done is essentially call me a racist this whole time, as i said earlier buddy save the race card for another time
He will be viewed as a "running" QB, but with that being said he has shown the ability to play the position. Pro success in any sport is as much about the oragnization that drafts a player as it is about that players habbit. Even the most talented player can be failed by bad coaching and player development. McNabb was more of a "running" QB than many of the spread guys that have been drafted the past 5 yrs, yet he was taken in by a organization that allowed him to turn his ability into great results. Another example is Steve Young, he wasn't drafted by the 49ers,he played in the USFL first,then the Tampa Bay Bucs,and looked like a draft bust. fortunately for him a organization felt his talent was worth cultivating for a few years,and he's a Hall of Famer now
The reason there are so many more great white QBs than great black QBs is just the sheer number of white people playing QB trumps that of blacks, maybe not as much in todays game, but back in the day...hell yes.
The proportion is probably about the same. Becoming an elite QB is nearly impossible no matter what color your skin.
^ ok m dymes.... lol if ur using population as an excuse how come blacks dominate EVERY other position EXCEPT QB.... lol nice try tho
How many people are tired of that'''my best friend is black excuse?!!''''
It is scientifically proven that African-Americans are better athletes than whites, generally. The quarterback position is one of the few positions in sports that the player does not have to be athletic to succeed. That said, it is easier for a non-athletic person to become a quarterback. When an Afriacn-American is quarterback, they are much better runners than a white quarterback thus seen as not "pure-pocket" passers causing them to be drafted much lower if at all.
In a nutshell, African-Americans play different positions because they use their athleticism as an advantage over white players.
kanyedabest just realized the limited number of black qbs and thinks now he has a shot at being a qb in the lingeriebowl......lol
Why Do I Get the Feeling that this is going to be 1 of those memorable posts?
the chicago bulls need to rebuild..
and the wizards should trade john wall for young pieces....
and deng is too african to guard lebron...
and is colt iverson, allen irverson's brother?
Jared Sullinger hires an agent
WOW tongue out ur a hypocrite buddy ur gonna call me racist then go around say how blacks r better athletes the whites, maybe ur right, but the reason whites r indeed better QBs is because whites r typically smarter, and able to process information better, ive been texting my buddy bout this and he flat out said black arent smart enough to make it at QB ( ill admit that was racist, but if u have the audacity to say what u said about white ppl then u better be able to take what white ppl say in response, in all fairness)
its been scientifically proven that blacks are better athletes because of the hard manual labor they did on cotton farms picking cotton, they were able to breed and make big strong athletes.
and @ rudeboy, ill glady be in the lingerie bowl compared to the group gay orgy u have with their own father and cousins LOL
Look back in the history of the game. QB was a predominately white position, as plenty of other positions were too as black still had limited freedoms, including playing the NFL. You don't think GMs would discriminate? Wake up. Its getting better now, and i think in a decade or so, you'll see the black QBs being proportionately as solid as the whites. You need a histroy book and to stop listenin to Kanye.
* not to mention, historically blacks didn't have the educational opportunities that whites have, and still till this day often don't. That plays a big part in the mental make-up of a QB.
*also look back to pee-wee football. Coaches son's or people with money or power in the community often get to have their sons brought up as QBs and that carries on unless someone is good enough to top them in the future. That also can play a very small part.
@ m dymes dude this is the year 2011, everyone has an equal shot now save the crap about QB was predominantly a white postion, it was 30 years ago but hello its the year 2011, thts an awful excuse
And buddy, READ. Proportion is far different than Population.
First off, didn't know you were a Birds fan Tongue-Out. I'm glad you give number 5 the respect he deserves from his time here.
Second, I don't think it really matters what skin color a dude has in order to play QB. It's all about the knowledge of the game, work ethic, and natural abilities. Yes, for the most part black QBs are "dual-threats" and white QBs are "pocket passers," but all of that is going to continue to change over the next decade. Look at Aaron Rodgers and Andrew Luck: amazing passers who are actually both dual-threats as well. Then look at PSU's QB, Rob Boldin: black but not a dual-threat (not a good pocket passer either lol.) Point is, the QB position is evolving and skin color is beginning to mean less and less.
As far as RGIII's draft stock, I have yet to see a Baylor game this year so IDK how he has progressed from last year. Regardless, I think he is in a battle for 3rd best QB behind Luck and Landry Jones. And it has nothing to do with him being black.
"WOW tongue out ur a hypocrite buddy ur gonna call me racist then go around say how blacks r better athletes the whites,"
I am not being racist, I stated it was scientifically proven.
"its been scientifically proven that blacks are better athletes because of the hard manual labor they did on cotton farms picking cotton, they were able to breed and make big strong athletes."
You hit the nail on the head. As bad as it may sound, African-Amercan's were bred while they were slaves to make the strongest possible slaves. As terrible as that sounds, that's exactly what happened.
Bull &$#%#&@! man...Listen to what even one of our posters said about how he has been kept out of a certain college, with race clearly playing a factor. Just b/c your so proud about not being racist, doesn't mean you can turn a blind eye to a society where it is still very much alive. Talk to me in 2070. Even then racism will still be alive. Its not going to ever completely fade. Its too much engrained in society and it is disgusting but it is the truth.
glad we can agree on sumthin @ tongueout
LOL @ m dymes..... ur "tht" guy who is anti-white and blames all ur failures on white ppl....... grow up and take responsibility for ur own failures, u were fortunate to be born in this era and have equal oppurtunities, so instead of blaming white ppl maybe go and take advantage of the oppurtubities u have in life compared to ur unfortunate ancestors hoo were forced to be slaves
bull&$#%#&@! man, im &$#%#&@! white.
Your prolly that white dude who voted for Obama without knowing a damn thing about him, his background, or his policies, just b/c it was the cool thing to do and you didn't want to come off as a racist.
Good knowledge on a fact that many people choose to ignore. They bred them to be "super-slaves." Talk about a &$#%#&@! up thought process.
Wow, kanye, your last comment was a bit too racist...
But it is true that black people and white people have different athleticism. They were separated for so long that they developed different skin color, why couldn`t they develop different bone and muscle structure. Eastern european weight lifters are the strongest, african runners have the best stamina and so on.
I just think that sometimes the more athletic players have a tendency to rely too much on their athleticism to dominate(black or white), and in the pros, where almost everyone is a great athlete a quarterback with a strong and accurate arm is better than a scrambler who throws a lot of INTs.
LOL yup m-dymes im the guy who voted for obama, except im canadian and under 21...... and id bet my scholarship ur a black man
lol, my bad.
Thats almost as ignorant as some poster calling out a dude for being a black who hates on white b/c of the history behind everything, gives himself a +1, and then finds out that the person he's trying to piss off and insult is actually white.
And yes, I am that dude negging you every time you +1 yourself immediately after posting for the last 3 posts which were filled with bull&$#%#&@!, stupid comments, or down right ignorant shortcomings and lies.
And the winner is.......M-DYMES! !
WOW!! Kanyeisdabest, dude i thought u were a much more thoughtful poster than what u just said..That white qbs are smarter!!! was ryan leaf smater than warren moon or mcnabb? u are grouping everyone 2gether..I cant believe U WENT THERE!! This IS A Foolish post...
And i'll be careful who i call my friend..if your best friend is black ...And that dude let you say STUPID STUFF LIKE THIS..Then he's not your friend at all...maybe he's after something u have...
This thread is insulting, childish, full of BS, and just disgusting.
I regret ever posting in it. Some things just irk me to much and I try to give a realistic explanation, but then emotions get caught up in it. I apologize if anything I said was bad but I just am heated right now about this and gotta let it go.
I apologize to Kanye as well, but I truly do not agree with you in this post. I respect you as a poster, but this subject we are at great odds right now. Lets let this go.
Interesting topic perhaps it should be in the off topic section as NFL is certainly not NBA. I don't follow the NFL as closely as I used to so I can honestly say I would not know the race breakdown of NFL QB's. Sure I've heard of Michael Vick here in the UK but mainly for his off field exploits and trying to make a comeback once he got out of jail.
On a funnier note I can recall back in about 1994, I had a work collegue who was a huge NFL nut at the time and he'd brought a souvenir Super Bowl programme/NFL magazine and he showed me the pen pictures of both teams and said do you notice anything about both line ups. The lack of black/mixed race players on both teams Coaching staff and QB rosters was obvious for us both to see and there was a general comment that along with certain other sports there are a lack of players of a certain skin colour or in this case in certain positions.
This guy who I still work with was about 6ft 2ins tall and maybe weighed 150lbs wet through but fancied himself as Grid Iron player and brought all the kit. He was an Oakland Raiders fan ( they might have been in LA then I seem to recall) and after he had brought all the kit, came into the office with pictures of himself in his kit stood by a poster of Jeff Hostetler who was the Radiers QB at the time and then proceeded to show us pictures of all his family stood by his Jeff Hostetler poster.
u wanna check my points list? ive had about + 3 for everything ive said, nice try tho..... and bet ur ass im sticking to my guns and saying ur black because if ur not u may be THE dumbest person to post on here, ur tht liberal who goes out and makes excuses for everyone, ppl like u r the reason ur country is going to be pre dominantly hispanic in 25 years, good luck with tht buddy, liberals like u r ruining the states allowing illegal immigration and giving 2nd chances to rapests and murders, good luck u liberal cu-nt
I'm done. Kanye ignore everything I ever say about you from here out. I am just ignoring you from here on out esp. after that last post.
Just let it be known i take back the respect thing, and you absolutely disgust me as a poster, and if this is how you actually, then you a judgemental, self-righteous, and just plain old horrible human being.
Have a good life sir.
I hope you get suspended from this site Kanye. You deserve it.
Good life to u as well m-dymes
hahaha @ may be based u absolutely made me laugh!!! tht was awesome
Is that Ray Allen sitting behind Beyonce in your GIF?
^^ I can't really tell, all black people look alike
@apb540 yooo I didn't even see that. I don't think it is but it might be his slight darker skinned half brother Trey Allen lol
and also m-dymes honestly man, u have ur views and i have mine, but dont hate just becuz im young and educated and can argue with someone like u, hoo is used to pushing ppl around in arguments.... i started this post wanting to know y there isnt many elite black qbs and u kept pushing and pushing it to another level by calling me a racist and so forth, so call me childish but ur the one hoo kept pushing the boundaries,
kanyedabest is out like m-dymes is out the closet
pce for the day
In my opinion he didnt wanted to say that black qb are dumber than white ones the thing is exactly what ghgr said that more athletic players have tendency too rely too much on their athletism and another fact that black ones are better athletes in basketball, football and in many other sports than white ones, so it goes that the bigger part of those who rely too much on their physical atributes are black but not always of course. Finnaly, when you are going to the next - higher level there is a lot of good athletes so you have to be skilled too in the nba its not enough be the fastest guy or jump the highest you also have to be skilled.
Little bit offtopic this topic really remembers of Friday Night Lights there were this kind of stuff too if I remember right, great really great tv series btw one of my favorite