Bill Simmons on New York Knicks
They did it with stark sprewell and king. Lol. That was like 20 years ago
recently the did it with
Sergio rodrigez
darko milic
tracy mcgrady
I had higher hopes for the knicks before preason and seeing how they have no rebounders and defense is still the same (Randolph has zero blocks in the preseason)
It is debateable that Griffin is better than Duncan as is of now because Duncan is old. I disagree with that statement but it is possible that at the end of the season, that remark does not sound like Simmons fascination with a team he watches which he does a lot. I disagree with Simmons on a lot of things but this article there was not anything I strongly disagreed with him on.
Stanford....Gotta be more accurate.
Darko, Rodriguez and McGrady don't even fit what simmons said.
So because Randolph has no blocks in the preseason, he shouldn't be taken seriously? I guess the chemistry (3 new starters) should be thrown out the window too huh?
Randolph potential = Lamar Odom/Josh Smith Hyrbid
I love Bill Simmons always an interesting read. I do agree with what he said about Blake Griffin that he looks like one of the best power forwards in the NBA already, but I do not agree he is better then the Immortal Big Fundamental.
And the Knicks have a lot of potential this year, but I'm not sold on Ray Felton being albe to the run D'Antoni's offense yet. Good thing he was only a one year rental.
My question: Why Lamar Odom? Because Randolph had somewhat of a handle? Even though he never had a 5 assist game on a terrible LSU squad? Come on, I'm not buying the Odom comparison.
I just feel that if he's gonna post up 11-14ppg, 5-7rpg and 1-2bpg per game, he's a good 14th overall pick. People are overrating his talents because they overrated him in the past and he failed to live up to thier expectations.
By the way: Anthony Randolph's 3 games in the preseason:
16-4, 14-3 and 9-5. He's a 6th man people.
Amar'e Stoudemire on the other hand. Look at this
32-6, 11-2 and 30-5. He's looking impressive.
I do agree, NY needs a rebounder. Maybe trade for one? I dunno.
You are acting like the Lamar Odom comparison is a bad thing.
The Odom comparison is because of their similar body build, and the fact that coming out of college Don Nelson had Randolph playing point forward. He can play 4 position just like Odom and for that matter Josh Smith. But Randolph blocks more shots and is more of a freak along the lines of Josh Smith athletically.
I think Amare can average 30 this year and I wanna see it happen. Everybody thought he was too high on Eddie Johnsons list will understand halfway thru the season when Amare is putting up 31 and 8.
He's not an LO type passer...he don't have Odom's court vision...but Randolph has nice passing ability. He showed it in high school every now and then. In college he was forced to play in the post a lot without the ball in his hands but in workouts leading up to the draft he was showing off his total package. And the following summer league he showed off his point forward ability.
A lot of the Odom comparisons was based on Randolph having a similar physique, being a smooth mobile athlete. Left handed. And his versatility being able to guard multiple positions.
Knicks latching onto tortured souls
What does chemistry have to do with not blocking shots and taking bad shots
Hoopsworld has a couple quotes from d'antoni saying Randolph needs to work harder has alot of potential and needs to know what a bad and good shot is
That's not chemistry problem because he did the same thing in golden at
So the Lakers never latched onto a tortued soul?
When I said Chemistry, I meant the team chemistry for thier defense. I do agree they need another rebounder.
That's great for Hoopsworld. We already knew Randolph was taking bad shots. He did do the same in GS but he forced shots due to being played like 10 mintues a game. I feel he will be more effective knowing he will have a role.
Honestly, I'm pretty sure I said he was a bench player....That's you guys thinking he's a star or starter.
But you didn't name anyone who fits Simmons' description. Rudy and McGrady played like 29 games for NY and neither were bad people in the eyes of the media. Darko doesn't even count, he got traded midseason and he wasn't even in games. He discussed redeeming careers. Niether of the 3 played more then 35 games for NY.
Besides another rebounder, I think NY is alright this season. You may disagree, which I don't have a problem with but that's a season tickets list I believe. As a Knicks fan, I would love to get some tickets right now because there's alot of hype going into the season.
Another thing- As someone who I believed was knowledgeable, you going off preseason stats made me sad. You never look into those things unless it's alarming. Randolph averging 0 blocks? Not a big deal in 3 games. Knicks not having rebounding? That's somewhat a big deal, they can probably find one in FA (Earl Barron maybe) and/or trade for one.
i really gotta say perez... how many minutes will timmy d play this year?... at most pop said 25 per..... but then again, how many will blake play? its all gotta do with if he stays healthy... cause if he is, hes instantly a top 3 power forward in the league..
New York would be really dangerous if they had Sammy D type center who I think would thrive in the Knicks offense especially playing alongside Amare they would have two pogo sticks downlow.
But if the Knicks were to get an aggressive shot blocker/rim protecter and rebounder down low.
Plus a legit starting shooting guard that can play defense. I thought Roger Mason was their best option to start at shooting guard before he got off to a bad start in the preseason. Bill Wallker I still think is going to be an impact player in this league and its him more then anybody that I think will benefit most from D'Antoni.
If I had to pick one player to keep out of Walker and Randolph I would pick Walker because despite being injury prone he's an extremely hard worker who knows how to play the game. He's a truly underrated talent.
And am I the only one convinced that Gallo is an Italian Peja?
Gallo is a way better shooter then Hedo is tho. But you're right that Gallo is more well rounded on offense then Peja was. But his scoring and shooting are similar to Peja.
And Evan Turner is top 5 in all rookie stats. He's 3rd in steals, 3rd in rebounds, 4th in assists, and 5th in scoring. He is shooting bad from the field right now but almost every rookie is. And one spot that Turner is not shooting bad at is the foul line he's shooting 87% from the charity stripe. That's incredible for a rookie and shows that he's been working on his shot and got good shooting ability he just got to get adjusted to doing it in game speed.
The Knicks will live and die with Amare and he'll get hurt...Randolph will never be more than a decent bench guy...I'd say he's a Bust...He was seen to be a Bosh/Odom type of player...Ray Felton will be exposed under those bright lights...Gallo will never be more than check and shoot threat and Chandler is not that good as a Starter...Bad Teams always score...so what..lets see them beat a Good Team during the second...Mosgov will not be in the NBA in a year...Turiaf is trash...Walker is one injury away from early retirement
Sigh, if that's how you feel man.
I always said Randolph would be a bench player
Raymond Felton got embrassed in his 1st playoff series by a PG who played in 5 series...Should I post all the people who had terrible 1st playoff series?
Gallinari is a Hedo type player minus the passing.
Chandler is alright, he hasn't done terrible at all. He's solid.
Mozgov is a big body....he will be in the NBA.
I don't really care about Turiaf or Walker (when everyone liked him) so that doesn't matter to me.
I never said NY would win 50 games nor would they be anything higher then a 7th seed. So you my brother....can fall back.
Basketball...Blake isn't better than Duncan now and he won't be for a long time...Blake would not be a top 5 power forward if he didn't break his knee cap...Do people really think coming off all that before he even played a real game a rookie could be a top 3 Power Forward already....
I like Blake a lot...but he's not a top 20 Power Foward yet...and he still has to prove he can survive an 82 game season,win and look could doing it before we can even begin to Think he's better than anyone Named Tim Duncan...
That statement by Simmons is why I hate ESPN...does anyone else think that If Dnyce said that...he'd have another - 100 point thread...
Bill Simmons is not a idiot. He's a top 5 basketball guy.
You may not like him but most people can agree he's one of the greatest basketball minds out there. I also said in the previous posts that he does jump to conclusion too quickly.
Also on the Griffin better then Duncan stuff. Let's not forget, Griffin has looked impressive this preseason. The last rookie to come in and be a top 5 guy was Tim Duncan, I doubt Griffin does that but I wouldn't be shocked if he posted 17-9 this season.
So what...you guys have to prove that you even deserve any hype...
You failed in Free Agency...Amare for the Max is a fail....
Traded your best player for Randolph( who you just said is a bench guy) Turiaf who you just said is trash and Mosgov is out playing and an Injured bench player in Kelena Azibuke...I spelled that wrong too...
Got a front row seat to Lebron's kiss my ass show...Infact it was almost as big a diss to NY as it was the Cavs
Your biggest summer move was getting Timofey Mosgov( seriously you guys are super high on him for what )
And on top ...2 of the 3 guys you traded Lee for have been very average in summer league and preseason.
That's your 2011 NY Knicks...If and when Amare goes with an Injury...Your a lottery team...and then the Rockets will just take your pick...hahahahahahahahaha....enjoy the season....
If Blakes stays healthy he is rookie of the year and a top tier Power Forward right away. I'm not gonna put a number on him or put him above proven champions but Blake is def going to be a problem.
And I love Bill Walker always have...
Hahaha yeah if one of us said the Blake Griffin was better then Tim Duncan in a thread OMG people would flip...
I don't think Chandler is a starting shooting guard but depending on the situation he can be a nice starting small forward but he is in no way a starting shooting guard.
And you can't blame Ray Felton for lil Meer Meer taking it to him. Meer Meer will get the best of them.
But Felton might very well be exposed. There will be not in between. He will either thrive and die in New York
Your'e Opinion chief. I have no problem at all here.
Eddy Curry off the books next season= another max player?
Raymond Felton and Ronny Turiaf off the books in 2 seasons (combined 15 mil)= another good player?
I said pre draft, the Knicks won't go from outhouse to penthouse unless they got LeBron. You get Amar'e Stoudemire, who everyone can agree is a top 15 player in the NBA.
Landry Fields is looking like a nice steal in round 2. Randolph is a bench guy, but he has potential to be a little better. Like I said, if he's a 12-8-2 guy ( which is possible) I won't be mad. Randolph just needs the LOVE. Your also forgetting, NY will still has a 1st round pick in 2011 draft.
Let's not forget Carmelo likes NY and NY is still looking at Rudy Fernandez. This is not a finished project.
Where's Dr.Jack Ramsey...Hubbie Brown...Dean Smith....Larry Brown....Phil Jackson...Dick Vitale...sike...
Simmons is a fan that gets to write his views and have it spread across the world...He's not a great basketball mind at all...
Any one with half a mind for this game would never say a guy like Griffin is better than a top 10 all time player in Duncan before he's played 1 regular season game...
Griffin is a stud Forward who'll be a tough nosed defender,rebounder and low post option...He can become a 20/10 guy if he really's work on the mid range jump shot and real post moves...Right now he's a dunker/rebounder who can post up young/bad defenders...he's Kenyon Martin in his first year...High Lights and High Expectations...
Has far as the Knicks...I wouldn't be suprised if he was told to write about/hype up the NY fan base...
Because they're 4 to 5 teams not Named The Heat/Celtics and Magic that are better than the Knicks...I think they need the hype to get into the playoff picture...
Those guys you named are coaches and such so I don't count them. There's in a different bracket.
Blake Griffin=Kenyon Martin? I'm not even gonna attack that. If that's what you think, all I can say is LOL
True, there are teams who will be fighting for those last 2 playoff spots: When did I ever deny that?
Also, if Bill Simmons asked me to hype up the Knicks....you really think I'd start here?
I want the Knicks to get Fernandez he would look great in their system. And Why is Bill Walker not the starting shooting guard. He is shooting lights out in the preseason.
Anthony Randolph really looks like he don't care enough. I was a big fan of him in the draft and watched horrifically as the Warriors drafted him 14 despite having Wright when the Sixers had the 16th pick.
I think Randolph could get your team 14 ppg, 8.5 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 1.4 steals, and 2 blocks in 30 minutes a night off the bench or starting dont matter.
What did all that money get NY last summer...Amare for the Max and Ray Felton for 2 years...I know the plan is
2010. Get Amare and a bench...check
2011. Get Carmelo and the pick...but you have to wait another year of sub par play only with a "Star" now...
2012. Get Chris Paul....Copy cat a big 3 with Cp3/Melo and Stat...Gallo,Randolph,Chandler and the (who you may not be able resign)
2011...Eddie Curry = another Max Guy...who besides Carmelo next summer is worth the Max??? You may have to Max JR Smith haha...sike naw...who's out there though...you haven't learned from last year...about all your eggs being placed in one basket...It ay very well happen...at what cost though...
2012...You better pray nobody else gets some Money to challenge you in Free Agency for not only Paul but the glut of your roster in 2012...their may be a lock out in that time...and the salary cap could prevent how much any one can spend... It's good to think ahead...but be for real...New York can't/won't be good unless they get Melo and Paul in the next years...Amare can be very much deminished in that time( why do you think The Suns wouldn't give him the Max???) They wanted new legs....
Scarecrow: name the 4 teams that are better than the Knicks excluding Miami, Boston, Orlando, and Chicago.
Remember that the Knicks ALWAYS somehow beat Atlanta.
The Knicks have the best PF in the league, one of the best shooters in the league, size at every position on the floor, and one of the deepest rosters in the NBA.
The D'Antoni system wins regular system games. The playoffs may be another story but the Knicks will win enough games to make the playoffs.
Randolph is not better than Speights...They are the same guy up stairs but the only difference is M16 has 20 + point a game potential and Randolph might top off at 15-20( this is if both were given starting spots on Bad Teams)
The Pacers are a Team that could use a Starting PF like Speights or even Randolph
Speights is poor mans Amare/Lamarcus Aldridge...
Randolph was supposed to be a poor man's Bosh now's he falling to a poor man's Lamar Odom
both have the same amount of potential in my eyes...But Speights has lit up Howard and Gasol...The same with Hawes...he had good games against the Lakers and Magic too...I haven't seen Randolph light up a big team yet...
We were lucky that we got Speights Mr 19134...Randolph is already on team 2 and might take a team 3 to really be a good player...Speights should start over Brand but EB has to earn that money and he's a veteran...I still think they should start Speights and Hawes and bring in Brand as the 6th Man with Turner the Best 7th man in the League...
We have to see what we have in Thad/Speights and Hawes...why not start all 3 together with Jrue and Iguadola
Maybe they get a swagger as starters and fulfill their potential has 20 point players(Thad,Speights and Hawes can all get 20 on any night right now as role players...imagine they start for 82 games)
At the very worst..they get the chance to grow and we get a shot at Barnes/Jones/Kanter/Sullinger/Irving or Knight...We need a shot blocker but I'd draft BPA over a role player...you can get a Center in Free Agency...
Dalembert is ironicly a Free Agent...also Tyson Chandler is out there too...And lets not forgot about This Guy named Greg Oden...I would do what I could to get Oden...I think the Blazers are given him up this year and if the Sixers have 7 to 10 million they should get that Man to defend the Rim...I'd want Sullinger at that point in the Draft...
A line up Of
Holiday/Lou Williams( I feel we could/should trade Lou Will for a Veteran Pg or Pick )
Iggy/Turner ( 6th man canidate next year) /Meeks
Thad/Nocioni/ FA( I would Mbah Moute from The Bucks...)
Sullinger( top 10 pick ) / Brand / Speights( who may become trade bait for a good back SF)
Oden(with the 7 to 10 in Cap...I dont the Blazers match that offer with Camby and Joel)/Hawes
That's a very solid team...Oden if healthy would make us a force and even with that youth in Philly it'd be fun to watch...
Say it with me " It's Holiday Season"
The Bulls...The Hawks...The Bucks...The Sixers....The Bobcats...and potentially the Piston's with McGrady and Monroe
The Pistons are a sleeper team in the East...Stuckey/Rip/Prince/TMac/Big Ben Gordon/Monroe/Charlie V/Bynum/Maxiel/Daye/Wilcox and Ben Wallace( I think )
The Knicks are not the deepest team in The East and their not even close to the Pistons depth chart...who are my 9 th team in the East...Hype and a Monster season from Amare/Gallo and Randolph are the only thing that can get the Knicks into playoffs...The Knicks are the 10th best team in the East IMO
The Hawks may have lost to the Knicks during the regular season but they've at least consitantly made the Playoffs...
How are the Knicks better than them...???
Lol hype up the Sixer and trash the Knicks... I guess perception is reality.... Sixers are gonna be trash next year, theeir best player is a 3rd option.. Spieghts is overrated and has a low BBALL IQ (he wishes hes a poor mans STAT).... Hawes is a 7 footer that plays like hes 6 feet... Turner aint gonna be NO 6 th man of the year candidate (thats a joke)...
The Sixer will win about 30-35 games next year, atleast the Knicks have a chance to make the playoffs (6,7,8th seed).. SIXERS HAVE NO CHANCE...
I'll break it down for you position by position...
PG...Holiday and Lou Williams Vs. Felton and Tony Douglas...Sixers by a mile...Holiday will have a huge year and Lou Will Is a 6th man type of guy...Felton was exposed in the Playoffs and Douglas is a shooter/career 10th man...
SG...Why should I even Say this...Iggy and Evan Turner Vs. R.Mason,Chandler,Azibuke and Walker...Are 2 are better than your 4 shooting guards and by a mile...
SF...Young and Nocioni( and Iggy at times) Vs. Gallo/Randolph and Fields...to this point Thad has been better than Gallo and Randolph combined and Nocioni is a proven veteran that defends and hits big 3's off the bench...Thta's another win for the Sixers...
PF...I know you've been waiting for this One...Brand,Speights and Brackins Vs. Amare and who's their backup 4...Brand rebounds better Amare has a 32 year veteran and Speights can score with the best of them too...Brackins can also score and rebound better than the back up bigs on the Knicks Roster...Amare is a Top 20 player but that won't equal wins...I believe Philly's depth and talent at the position gives them another win IMO...
C...Hawes and Battie Vs. Eddie Curry,Ronny Turiaf and wait for it ......Timofeyyyyyyyy Mosgovvvvvvvvv...now Hawes is better than Turiaf and Mosgov( Curry won't see time and isn't even an NBA caliber player in everyone's eyes...why he still exist is a mystery) Battie is a proven veteran and solid defender that basicly does everything Turiaf does..Hawes can be a Brad Miller type center and with the starting spot in Philly he'll produce more than Mosgov and Turiaf combined
I'd like to hear why you think the Knicks are better than the Sixers...other than having Amare...and praying for Carmelo everyday...
FYI...The Nuggets would rather trade him to The Sixers...The Knicks have garbage to offer in a trade...Melo is just to blind to see their team is Garbage too...minus Amare and maybe Felton and Gallo ( who are average starters at best people)
I will not even tell you how high you sound saying The Knicks are on par with Bucks...they have a Real Pg and C and entire team of perfect role players...They are 10 games better than the Knicks IMO...
FYI...The Nuggets would rather trade him to The Sixers...The Knicks have garbage to offer in a trade...Melo is just to blind to see their team is Garbage too...minus Amare and maybe Felton and Gallo ( who are average starters at best people)
LMFAO.....You got that from me because I made a post about it.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmonsnfl2010/101015&sp...
Look at what Bill Simmons said about the Knicks. I like it. :)
It's OK, Knicks fans. Get a little excited. You're entitled after eight years of misery. Especially because Denver might panic in mid-December after Carmelo tells the team for the 100,000th time, "I only want to play in New York."
Actually, there's reason to get excited even without a Melo trade. Not everyone embraces playing in New York -- the media, the pressure and expectations, the sophistication of the fans -- but Amare always carried himself like a superduperstar even when he wasn't. In New York, strangely, that's going to work in his favor … unless his knees don't hold up. You also have Mike D'Antoni (never dull), the intriguing Danilo Gallinari/Anthony Randolph combo (I like them both), Ray Felton (sneaky-good last year until Jameer Nelson destroyed him in the playoffs), and the mysterious Timofey Mozgov (generating "MOZGOV!!!!!!!!!!" e-mails from every Knicks fan I know). I'm not just intrigued; I'm overintrigued.
(Quick note on Randolph, my favorite random player in basketball for three years running now: Knicks fans are great at latching onto tortured talents, showering them with love and redeeming their careers. They did it for Bernard King, John Starks and Latrell Sprewell, three baggage guys with personal demons who played with heart, fed off the MSG fans and thrived. If Randolph is redeemable as an impact player -- and I think he is -- New York will bring it out. You watch.)