Who are your biggest winners and losers on the trade deadline?
Wizards got rid of two players that gave chemistry problems to the team and acquired a reliable big man in Nene. Actually this trade was a shocker IMO because he just recently signed with the Nuggets last December for $67 million... So for the Wizards to acquire him long term was big news to most fans.
Pacers get a valuable offensive player in Leandro Barbosa and they gave up a second round pick in return...
Blazers simply blew up their team and decided to rebuild fresh with LaMarcus Aldridge and Nic Batum in tact...
Not sure if it's win/lose: Dwight Howard remaining in Orlando... Sure he's staying for another year but will Otis Smith be able to keep Superman happy and convince him to sign long term? We'll have to find out in the coming season..
i don't like what the nets did
Already posted this topic, but for the sake of it, I don't feel like typing out my personal winners and losers again, so i'll ust link the topic instead.
The Nets are absolute losers. They're going to lose Deron Williams this offseason, they traded away a draft pick, their best player next season is going to be a 30-year-old Gerald Wallace and a 7fter that dislikes rebounding more than Andrea Bargnani.
The Nets will be the Nets I guess.
Biggest winner: Tough call, but I've gotta say the Lakers. They got a really solid PG in Sessions, and got rid of Luke Walton- one of the worst contracts in the NBA. Also the Spurs in getting rid of RJ for Steven Jackson (who worked well with the Spurs before, and has a friendlier contract than Jefferson).
Biggest loser: Clearly the Nets. Their move for Wallace (especially in giving up the top 3 protected pick- the odds are they'll lose that pick) reeked of desperation. They went from looking good to get Dwight to possibly losing out on both Dwight and D-Will in the course of a week.
Biggest unknown: Nuggets. I have no idea whether giving up Nene for McGee is a genius move, or a completely disastrous one. Maybe Karl will straight up teach McGee some basketball IQ and become even better...or maybe he'll bench him after one game of knuckleheaded crap.
Saw that Nene wasn't going to produce at the level at which he was getting paid for, so they shipped him out for a guy who does nearly the same thing but makes 10m less. Also allows them to pay Wilson Chandler a nice contract and he can certaintly help them, just scary how deep that team stays. They could march out a lineup of nothing but Centers, cray.
Dissappointed in management, this team has been destroyed by injures lately, and we stand there while most playoff teams in the East are making moves to add depth and all we do is sell a pick to avoid paying tax...#WinningMoves.
yea the Nets giving up a good first round pick for wallace. Giving its top 3 protected.... but a probable number 5 pick in a strong draft for a 29 year old SF on his downside... Hopefully its a top 3 and the nets could go to BK with a Williams, Brooks, Wallace, Anthony Davis and Lopez
I don't dislike what the Pacers did, necessarily, but I'm pretty luke warm about it. I probably would have loved it if I hadn't heard a rumor about Indy getting Chris Kaman for basically the same price. That would have been a lot more impactful. As it stands, we barely have room for Barbosa in the rotation. I just hope they don't sacrifice any of George Hill's minutes.
Can the Nets keep their pcks for once? Jeez, they trade away Favors, and last years pick, which happened to be Enes Kanter. Now trading their lottery pick this year, which will probably be around the 5th pick. Pretty sure they gave away another first round pick in the D-Will trade too. They have to stop trading these picks.
Ahhh... just when you thought the Clippers were making progress they make darn sure you remember the name on the front of the jersey. Nick Young??? Scoring is not their problem. All Nick Young is going to do is heave shots that could otherwise be going to Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, Caron Butler, or Mo Williams. He certainly isn't going to guard anybody.
JaVale McGee to Denver. Can HBO do a 24-7 series of JaVale and Birdman as the Nuggets work their way towards a playoff bid?
The Lakers are either under order to save money or just don't get it. They gave away two first round picks for Ramon Sessions and Jordan Hill. This year, they win or lose because of Kobe, Pau, and Bynum. Ramon Sessions and Jordan Hill aren't changing that equation. All they did is ensure that they can't get younger players who could possibly be both talented and ready to contribute next year.
@both teams, the lakers did get younger by trading two basically retired players in walton and fish for two younger guys in hill and sessions. Do you honestly think they could have gotten better players then those two with picks in the 20's? even if they did, they need to win now and those trades cearly improve that prospect. If the lakers chmpionship hopes were based strictly on kobe/pau.bynum, then they would be fine. However thats not the case, it has become abundantly clear that they needed help in other areas as well.
My Wizards are winners. You get rid of not 1 but 2 guys who are very one dinensional who were going to leave in FA. Not a bad move even if Nene's contract is huge.
Blazers realize they weren't gonna contend and went into tank mode. That pick could be a really solid player but right now losers
Lakers got a upgrade at PG and free'd up cap space. Missed out closing the Beasley deal but I got a feeling they will pursue him hard this off season. Win
Howard came out of the draft as the biggest loser. His rep has already taken a hit with his flip flopping of the way he handled his situation.
Next season he will be in the same predicament.
Blazers are winners regardless if that pick is top 3 or not. The only way you should view them as losers is that they still have Felton, pretty much the cancer that started this whole thing. Felton is an expiring contract anyway so no big deal. The Blazers got former lottery picks from the Rockets who are expiring contracts along with the Nets players so the Blazers are going to have a lot of cap space. The team gets cap space and two potential lottery picks going into next season. Nothing wrong with that.
I have no problem w/ what D12. How many times are young adults faced w/ CAREER altering decisions that impact MILLIONS of people? Through his interviews he seems very genuine and a down-to-earth guy that wants the best for not only himself but for those around him.
Then people say it was exhausting...GTFO and STFU. If it bothered you leave it alone or stop paying attention. If your a GM or FO then you play the waiting game w/ your fingers crossed. Would you rather have had him silent,assume he was staying, then last second make his decision? ....that's what i thought.
What superstar handled that the right way? NASH? give me a break he's like 38 he is obviously satisfied w/ his career accomplishments, got his paper, got him a young girl, but sometimes a ring just doesn't come and he knows that. These guys we are criticizing (LBJ,MELO,BRON) are young people, its not like they've done this before and i'm sure they'll learn from the experience but to Knock Dwight for STAYING even though it was a roller coaster isn't that cool. For a moment we all got to dream, propose fake packages, and hope.
gotta agree with oldskoolbasketball..
with a core of:
batum (match any offer he gets, he's a restricted free agent)
irrelevants... flynn, babbit, nolan smith, craig smith, thabeet, kurt thomas, elliot williams, shawne williams
who would you draft if you were their GM? they got the rockets lotto pick and the nets- most likely top 5.
I don't think Blazers have Rockets pick only the Nets plus their own. Elliot Williams has potential actually, the team is high on him. The team doesn't even have a real GM the current one is an interim but if I was the GM I'll be looking at Jeremy Lamb, Harrison Barnes, and Bradley Beal if the Nets pick is a 4 or 5 pick. A lot of the fanbase want Drummond if he falls past 3. The Blazers pick is most likely 10-14 so I might look at Damian Lillard, Myers Leonard, and Kendall Marshall.
The team has never really had a long term franchise point guard so I wouldn't be surprise if they go with Lillard or Marshall with their own pick. The Nets pick should be best available imo.
sorry. they picked up the rockets 2nd rounder i got it mixed up
for me, they should go with:
top 5 drummond or lamb
the other one meyers leonard or wroten who they can play pg/sg
and pick up a PG with their two 2nd rounders
I haven't seen Wroten play, but I don't think the Blazers are looking for a combo guard. They want a pass first point guard. Someone that would get Aldridge the ball first instead of looking for a shot.
i feel you but with their top 5 there is no pg that's worth it and kendall marshall isn't gonna go past utah, but if they can get him they should. and im not sold on lillard in the lotto
they have the flexibility of drafting wroten because they got no legit sg or pg so they can draft him and see what he becomes, he def got a chance of being a pg, a score first pg that is.
so imo they should just to fill other positions and try to pick up a 2nd rounder pg, like machado, wayns, bost, etc
Just thought i'd throw this out there, the cavs now have three 1st round picks assuming they get that pick from the kings. but all they really gave up was ramon sessions & eyenga. I definitely see the cavs getting some key players in this draft. Btw how do you guys feel about the warriors getting richard jefferson & a 1st round pick for s-jax?
The Blazer were definitely the big winner they realized they needed to be in a rebuilding mode and made a trade that would make the process as quick as possible. The nets pick will be in the top ten and in this draft they could very well get a really good player out of that pick. They also have their first round pick which without wallace will be better because they wont win as many games this season. The way they are consrtructed and with the right picks in the draft everything could come together for them while Aldridge is still in his prime which is what they were trying to do.
The Nets were pretty stupid to trade away their draft pick that's only top 3 protected...
are done. Blazers are done. McGee with George Karl? Yikes.
I know I am going to be in the minority with my thoughts, but to me....
Winners: LAL - upgraded the team while cutting costs.
Losers: Orlando - because they didnt do anything. It looks as if they didnt lose at the moment, but they stand a chance to lose big time by not making any moves before the deadline....even if it meant acquiring a veteran player. I may be totally wrong about this as they may be able to get a lot more next year for D12 than they wouldve this year.
I really dont see how the Cavs are winners. To me they dont have anything but bad contracts (Walton and Varajao) and a bunch of draft picks. They dont seem to be looking to get better right away, which I thought should be the main goal.
I didnt think the Nets was a bad move because there is no guarantee that Dwight goes there or Deron stays. I just like Wallace as a player and I think he can help them get better and that could influence both of the stars to be there. Although, I really dont think either will be. Its a strong draft but still, I dont know if thats enough to make DWill want to stay.
Again, I know I am in the minority, but I thought the Spurs-Warriors deal was good for both. Jefferson is the better player and more durable, but I dont think he fit, I think Jackson fits and it will save them some money. Plus they have Kahwi, so if Jack doesnt pan out they dont risk a lot.
I like the Wizards deal too, yeah, Nene has huge contract but I just like the fact that he adds a veteran presence with good I.Q. and that should help Wall. Now if they will just amnesty Rashard.
(Loser) Even with the best record in the Association, I still think the Bulls needed to make a move to beat the Heat in the playoffs. Just wait until Kayman gets bought out and joins the Heat for the playoff push and that would really hurt the Bulls.
(Winner) Also- I like what the Bucks did. Bogut was servicable but has not been the same since the elbow injury and that "era" for the Bucks provided some playoff appearances, but nothing that was going to put them over the top. Hopefully, the Jennings/Ellis backcourt pays dividends, but at the very least, they will put butts in the seats.
Nets- I have no clue what the hell they're doing. Around 2 and a half hours before the deadline when it became official that Dwight was staying put, I thought that there was no doubt D-Will would be on the move, but I'm not sure why they didn't trade him. I know he already has 5 Brooklynn based endorsements, but it's pretty obvious that without Dwight he was out the door. And then you go around tradin a top 3 protected first rounder? These are the type of moves that make me want to slam my head into the wall. Sure Gerald Wallace is a good player, but why? Gerald Wallace is not going to keep D-Will a Net. Most likely the Nets will get a 4-7 pick, and it will go to the Blazers. The Nets got absolutlly robbed here, and will have to gothrough several more years of rebuilding.
Portland- I've always given Portland credit for finding a way to build a quality top 5 in the West playoff team despite all of their injury woes. This year and las the Portland front office did just that when they aquired Gerald Wallace for nothing(And basically flipped nothing for a top 6 pick) aqired Camby a couple years ago, dsigned Crawford, did what at the time was a great move by getting Ray Felton, snagged Wes Matthews and although it was crazy money, he is still a solid contributor. They were able to put together a team that should've been a top 6 or even 7 team in this deep West, but they flopped, and gave up on their coach. I like Nate McMillan, but inthis situation, he should have realized he had a run'n gun team, yet he continued to run a half court offense. I like what they did by blowing everything up. Jamal Crawford will likely opt-out after this season, and they may be stuck with Ray Felton(but in an up tempo offense I have no doubt he will flourish once again) but they cleared cap space, got a high draft pick, have a late lotto pick of their own, got underperforming prospects for a soon to retire big(Johnny Flynn and thabeet for Camby) and still kept the cornerstone of their Franchise, and now have the ability to rebuild rather quickly. It was unfortunate that Oden and Roy had to go down, they still put together a respectable roster thatunfortunatly underachieved greatly, but are now headed in teh right direction, and should be able to surround LaMarcus Aldridge with some solid lotto picks.
LA Lakers- What they did to D-Fish was pretty cold, but it's a buisness, and they saved cap short term, I would've like them to keep the Mavs pick(early to mid twenties) rather than pick up Jordan Hill, who although can develop in to a solid big, has underwhelmed thus far. I love the Ramon Sessions pick up. He won't be a game changer or svior to the franschise, but he will be able to run the offense much better than Fisher and push the ball more. Now that htey got a guy that can finally throw an entry pass, Kobe, Pau, and Bynum will finally be able to get lower in the post, and the bal will get there(expecially for Kobe, he won't have to self-post at the three point line). He can also drive the lane and find the dump off man, a dimension of a conventional offense that was eerily missing. I see teh Lakers as a bit of a more complete team, yet they still have a lot of depth issues, and can't rebuild with young energy guys though the draft.
Denver Nuggets- I LOVE this move for them. I know McGee is a knuckle-head and a raw developing center, but they got evn younger, saved cap room for this season(which allows them to sign Wilson Chandler THIS season, a huge deal) and even though they will have to play him big Nene-like money this off-season, he'll fit right in witht he Nuggets' high tempo offense, and with George Karl's system, I believe they will develop him nicely, and they wwon't put up with his shinanigans. Wilson Chandler is close to a long-term deal(it may be final by now) And this to me puts them in the top 4 teams in the West ahead of veteran teams like the Lakers and the Mavs(Alhtough there are currently 7 teams behind OKC that can get to the number two seed) Wilson Chandler will make them 11 deep. Think about it, they will have 11 players that can play 25 solid minutes for any other team. They have Lawson and Miller at the point, Afflalo and Fernandez at the two(Afflalo has been lighting it up lately, althgough his production will drop due to the return of seeral players), Chandler, Gallo, and Brewer at the three, Faried, Harrington, and Anderson at the four, and McGee backed up by the tag team of Kosta Koufas and Timofey Mosgov. They may not have a star, but their second unit is the best in the league, and plus they had a slump with Gallo and Nene out, and then they rebounded with them still out, and now you're basically adding McGee, Gallo, and Chandler(and Fernandez) to a group that won it's last 4 games with them out, three of them with those guys out, the last when they were easing back into shape. This team is vey scarey, and although it will take time for things to gel, come April they will be ready to play.
"@both teams, the lakers did get younger by trading two basically retired players in walton and fish for two younger guys in hill and sessions. Do you honestly think they could have gotten better players then those two with picks in the 20's?"
Jordan Hill is an expiring contract, not someone who they are going to have as a young player going forward. They made that move to clear the contract and paid the price in the form of a 1st round pick.
Sessions is a nice point guard, but he is similar to Steve Blake. He is a backup who has never played in the playoffs going to a team where the expectations are to get to the Finals. Also, the Lakers did is put themselves in a tough spot in negotiations. Sessions can opt out after this year. Do they want to replicate the Blake decision and give multiple years to a guy who is really just a solid backup point?
The two picks would have held just as much, if not more, value in June, and the potential that comes with price controlled first round picks is far greater. They didn't get that much better where it justifies giving up the opportunity to get two young players at team friendly four-year deals.
they won BIGGGG... Nick Young is one of the best scorers in the league easily... Kid can fill it up, and he playing in his hometown.. Dude has game and is still young.. They needed a 2 guard also
The same thing I said about JR Smith and Jamal Crawford joining the Clippers... I don't really see how Nick Young helps.
He doesn't do anything other than shoot and his shot selection is terrible. He's never seen a shot he doesn't like. And I've never seen a player turn his head on defense as much as him.
I don't think this is a great move at all.
Does anyone else think that this trade deadline worked out well for the Hornets, Kings, and Raptors? By making no moves of their own and having the Wiz and the Nets become instantly better (for this season), with Wallace and Nene, those teams could recieve a better pick in the draft. The Hornets now seem a shoe-in for that #2 spot in the draft lotto.
if they were going to amnesty Rashard Lewis, they wouldve done it by now...the reason why they havent, is because after this season they can buy him out for only ten million....then they will prob amnesty Blatche if they still cant move him in the draft/off-season...
that way, they can pretty much get rid of 2 players for the price of one...
After all these years at the bottom and only getting as high as a #4 pick, you really think the lottery will favor the Kings? I definitely see Stern giving the Hornets the top pick since the NO Governor just signed a 10 year lease and they will need a star player to revitalize their fanbase.