It's being debated since Kevind Durant scored 66 at Rucker that he IS the best scorer in the world. I understand we can all be prisioners of the moment, so I wanted to know what yall think.
My View- The ish is impressive, BUT overrall scoring just flat out. Melo... It's no way to stop this guy, in the post, range, and quick first step. Im sorry KD until you are unstoppable on all 3 levels I just don't see it...
But no comment? LOL, that's terrible... It's like you slick dissing, because you too scared to comment... Only thing I wanna know if YALL think KD is the best scorer in the world and why...
That's just illogical. Durant is a 6'10 Small Forward who can shoot better than most the league, is a freak athelete, and is great in crunchtime. If you're saying best scorer, all that matter is getting the ball into the hoop. Where's Melo's 30 ppg, when does Melo have that great of a three point shot, honestly if you were saying all around, I would pick Kobe or Durant. There's your comment.
when does Melo have that great of a three point shot,
When he started playing for New York actually. For the Knicks he hit 53 three-pointers in 27 games at a clip of 42%. Now I realize 27 games is a small sample size to draw a conclusion from but don't be surprised if he becomes more of a down town threat in D'Antoni's system.
This season Carmelo had a career high in three point attempts with 251, the most since his rookie year when he had 214. All other seasons he has taken between 149 to 187 attempts from three point range. Durant has averaged 382 three point attempts over the past two seasons. A matter of fact Melo's accuracy over his last four seasons (and 772 attempts) is 35.6%. Practically identical to Durant's 35.7% over his last two seasons (and a similiar 765 shots).
Just because in the past Carmelo has chosen not to take as many three point shots as KD doesn't mean he can't make them when given the green light to do so.
Durant is now leading scorer, followed closely by Melo, Wade, Dirk, Kobe, even includes JR Smith (if you were playing 40 minutes per game statistics speak for themselves)
I think the best scorer is yet to come
kevin durant will go for 40 and you would literally have guessed he was at 18 he scores so effortlessly...melo is the exact opposite when he's on it seems like hes at 40 yet he'll be at 28 or so
Yeah Durant gets to the line at a crazy rate as well. He knows how to draw fouls better than Melo.
I'll take his strength and clutch making abilities over durants long range shooting and speed.
Wow, you guys are wildin...
I'd agree with the majority and say that Durant wins this debate, but its not "easy", its pretty close, they both possess a natural scoring ability and can score in soo many ways, Durant wins based on consistency...
Think about it. What tuck 243 means by "best scorer" is the one who is the best in terms of his skill in scoring the ball and not just who scores the most points. IF we assume this as his premise, I wouldn't even put Durant in the conversation. He's really talented, yes. But he mostly gets his points through jumpshots and only gets to drive since players respect his J so much. I've watched him play and I'm telling you, when he does iso moves, 90% of the time he's gonan go for the stepback J! Being 6'10 also helps him in being able to pull-off those contested jumpers as if no one was there. I can't put a one-dimensional scorer (though a prolific one) in the conversation of best scorer. Maybe 2 years from now when he's fully developed and established his game.
If you want me to name my best scorer, it'll probably be either Kobe or Melo. Now those 2 are SKILLED and just know how to create shots for themselves. Please. Think about it.
I agree somewhat with what you're saying. I think Durant is the best scorer because he averages the most points, but I'm not a big fan of his scoring style.He has a pure stroke, but he can't drive to the lane consistently, and has no post game despite his size. I think he's too much of a jumpshooter.
I think he really needs to improve his handles. I doubt his handle will ever become really good for a wing player like LeBron's because Durant is so tall and long.But that's why he should add a post game.
I think Melo is the most complete scorer, and I would take him over KD.
I don't think you should include athleticism as a factor to being a scorer. At least, not much. Atheleticism is more of a physical give rather than something you work on and improve on such as shooting, basketball IQ, footwork, etc. And please, I don't see why people think Durant is great in crunchtime. I seriously think otherwise. Ok, he might make shots but, that's mostly because he's such a good shooter. But his decision making is pretty bad if you watch closely. He makes bad shot selections (mostly goes for 3's down the stretch looking for that "dagger") and when he does pass, it's again, mostly just a bail out pass rather than an assist or even a pass that opens up more opportunities for his team. He's also almost a 90% ft shooter and there have been a lot of close games i've watched where he misses free throws in crunch time. (even 0/2!!)
Kevin Durant is the best scorer as he has 2 scoring titles at 23 years old so I think he is the best scorer in the NBA .But , I can understand why people say Carmelo and Dirk,but they are the most unguardable offensive threats rather than the best scorer.Plus, I think you can be considered the best offensive player once you've won a scoring title and Carmelo and Dirk haven't won any.Also, if Kevin wants to continue being the best scorer in the NBA he got to learn to post up cause he is 6'10 and virtually taller than every SF in NBA.
I think Durant is the best scorer in the league, but honestly Melo is not too far behind.
Melo is different in the fact that he does not get to the line as efficiently as Durant, and although he does have a really good midrange game, Durant in my opinion has the best midrange game in the league. However Anthony does exceed Durant in the strength facet of the game. He is able to somtimes muscle his way past defenders and has a post game.
But If Durant gets a post game in the next two seasons, we are headed for a 36 point season.
Kobe bean Bryant. Has lliterally every ability to score there is. Durant isn't the shot cretor of Kobe. He gets to the line a lot because he swings through very often. That ish don't work nearly as much in the playoffs. If just getting a lot cheap fouls really counted for being a great scorer, then Kevin martin would be a part of this discussion. Durant is as good an off ball scorer as there is, but his ability to create shots for himsef is nowhere near on the level of Carmelo and Kobe.
Best scorer: KD
Most skilled scorer: Melo
If you are calling KD the best scorer because ofthe scoring titles then go sit with Allen Iverson for all that. I'm talking unstoppable... SKILLED wise... There's really no holes in his game offensively... I will have to go with Melo over Kobe, the only reason Kobe shooting percentage has gone down the past few years from his "sweet" spots...
KD has potential to go off just like every other superstar in the NBA... Him being 18 or 23 has nothing to do with right NOW. His 3pt % and FG% was worse than Melo's (Who also has one of the best jumpers in the league)... I'm just saying Melo can get his buckets in a variety of ways which means he's the best SCORER... Not who scores the MOST IN A SEASON... Hell LeBron could have a couple of scoring titles (which he doesn't care for) does that mean he's would have been the best scorer?
Corey Fisher scored 105 last summer in NYC, hell Nick Young scored 60 in Drew a day before KD scored 66 #FYI
Has fallen off the past couple of years... It's not as consistent as it once was, they even talked about it this year in the regular season and playoffs... If you don't believe me look at the tape, if that isn't enough look at the stats... His ability to get to the line has really helped his numbers... Looked at what he did versus the Mavericks... Without getting those reach threw calls (which he tried damn near EVERY play) his shooting % was TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!
Look, Tuck, the reason we are hyping up Durant's 66 is because of how he didi it and where he did it.
I agree he should have done what he did, but can't we just feel happy for the guy, he looked like he was having the time of his life.
No hate from me bro... But it was a small debate on my twitter page about KD's 66 at Rucker... Sooooo, many folks felt like he was the best scorer in the world... And just by me ASKING, just ASKING folks opinions on it I got thumbs down for mine... LOL... Like it wasn't even close for folks, KD was the man... Then I had to try and set the record straight, so it came off as hate... MY BAD KD!!!
when he doesn't settle, its MELO.
That strength, quickness, handle, jumper combo is too much. & he has a post game.
One underestimated thing about his scoring is him hitting those offensive boards. He gets a good amount points, from 2nd chances.
I'll say DIRK second. come on, did anyone not watch the playoffs..
then Durant, Kobe, Wade, Bron.
Carmelo can score in more ways than Durant but that doesn't make him a better scorer Durants deadly shooting and ability to draw fouls is far superior than Carmelo's low post scoring, don't get me wrong carmelo is a great scorer and he gets points in many ways but durant is the best scorer in the nba.
he hasn't lead the nba in scoring the past 2 seasons with a shoot first pg on his team for no reason
Melo is an elite scorer in today's NBA, but he's never won a scoring title, he's never scored 30 points per game for a season and despite the fact that having a 50 point game is a tremendous feat, he's only had 2 in his first 8 seasons. Kobe has done it 25 times, Lebron James has gone for 50 points in a game 9 times in his career, D Wade and Dirk have done it 3 times, Gilbert Arenas and Jamal Crawford have gone for 50 three times.
I just don't see how a guy, who IS a great scorer, but who has never won a scoring title and isn't even in the top 10 in 50 point games among active players can be considered the best scorer in the NBA.
KD shot = Melo shot... There isn't a big difference... Outside of Russell Westbrook who else is a go to scorer on the Thunder? Lets get real now... KD numbers WILL drop once he gets a low post presence... The scoring titles doesn't matter... Yall looking too far into it... LeBron could have won the scoring title damn near EVERY year, but didn't want it... I don't think Melo is looking for it like Durant is... Which Durant said HE IS!!!
Now JoeWolf, you managed to give good insite on different stats and what not, BUT wtf is your point? Scoring 50 points a number of times means something? If so what does it mean if you NEVER scored 50? KD NEVER did... A player younger than him (NBA years) scored 55... Does that mean anything? How about staying within the Top 5 scorers every year? And be offensively gifted from every spot on the floor... Name 3 players in the league that you can say that about? KD is only given lead way because of his mentality is scoring, but he still missing ish...
I'm going 1. Melo 1.235 KD... That's better?
Charles agree too!!!
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It's just some additional information as to why I don't think he's the best scorer in the league, I still think it's Kobe with Lebron in 2nd. If scoring 50 points isn't a big deal or has no bearing as to who is a good scorer then why has Wilt Chamberlain topped 50 points 105 times, Michael Jordan 39 times, Kobe Bryant 24 times, Elgin Baylor 14 times, Rick Barry 13 times and Allen Iverson 11 and they are #1, #2,#4, #5, #6, #10, and #15 on the all time points per game list....you're right 50 point games have no bearing as to how good a scorer a player is.
Why isn't Dirk Nowitzki getting any love as the best scorer?
Post game? Check. He can shoot over the left or right shoulder. He's improved his moves on the block and knows how to take advantage of whatever kind of matchup he has. Put an athletic shot blocker on him, he'll show him the pump fake. Put a bigger guy on him, he'll go around him. Put a strong/tough guy on him, he'll shoot over him.
Mid-Range game? Check. His pump fake, then one or two dribble pull up is deadly.
Three-point range? Check, though he doesn't take as many attempts from here as he used to.
Ability to get to the line? Check.
Ability to make free-throws? CHECK.
Can he put the ball on the floor? Check. He's not LeBron or Wade, but his handle is above adequate for a seven footer.
Can he get shots for his teammates? Check. Once again... He's not LeBron or Wade, but he can see the floor and is unselfish enough to make all of the right passes.
Is he clutch? Check. He could be quiet quarters 1-3, and then score 10-12 points straight in the key moments of the 4th.
Dirk is the most unguardable offensive player in the league right now. He's a 100% complete offensive player. You can't single cover him. And if you double or triple him, he'll pick you apart by moving the ball and making the right passes.
Durant has no post game, so smaller wings can defend him... He doesn't have good vision. And is he really clutch right now? Yea... He's come up big in moments, but I've seen him running away from the ball a lot.
And Melo... He has a complete game offensively, but he's selfish. He has solid vision, but once he gets the ball, you know the chances are he's not going to pass it. The ball stops completely.
You are confusing me... Whats your POINT? That Durant is better? Kobe? You not telling me anything, just giving me random ESPN stats that's irrelevent to the question... WHO IS THE BEST SCORER IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW? Not all time...
If you stop the NBA right now who currently has the best career? LeBron or Kobe? Kobe right? BUT who is the CURRENT better player? LeBron... So you giving me career 50 point games tells me nothing... And it sounds more bias than anything else...
Bro I agree with you whole heartedly, but even though Dirk won a ring I'm not ready to give him ALL the love just yet... He's done this for a whole playoff YES, but Dirk also tends to drift in and out of the "Superstar" role in a season... If I see the same Dirk we saw in the playoffs during the regular season I'll agree with everything you said about him... He still barely drives though, but I get the picture...
Can be said looking at his career the best scorer of all-time maybe... That 81 point game meant a lot more than Chamberlain's 100... But Kobe TODAY doesn't get buckets with ease like Melo, KD, and Dirk... Neither does LeBron...
Carmelo can fill it up, no doubt, but my point in bringing up those stats is that I don't think Melo is the best scorer because he's not known to bust out for 50. If you're saying Melo has the most well rounded offensive arsenal, then I'll give you that, but to say he's the best scorer I disagree. Wouldn't the best scorer have won a scoring title, have a handfull of 50 point games, etc?
I busted out those stats becasue those guys are some of the best scorers in history and they've got multiple 50 point games. If Carmelo was the best scorer right now wouldn't he have the most? Lebron came in the league the same year, has a higher scoring average, has won scoring titles and has 9 50 point games including dropping 56. If Carmelo were the better scorer wouldn't the numbers back him up?
Again, if you mean Melo has the most well rounded arsenal, then yeah, but having the most well rounded game and being the best scorer are not the same thing. Wilt Chamberlain is the best scorer in history and he couldn't hit a free throw to save his life. Maybe I mis understood your post because of the wording, or maybe I just disagree. Now I'm kinda confused, lol.
Always the best well rounded game offensively... First... Then you go to who is the most dominant while scoring on different parts of the floor... 2nd... If it's STILL even... That's when the scoring titles, 50 point games, scoring average...... All that is taking into account... But Kobe's last "SCORING TITLE" in '07... Like with everybody is its all about Opportunities... That's why I'm not looking at scoring averages or most 50 point games, some people just don't have those opportunities...
813-1,757 Kobe Bryant shot attempts w/ 77 games played w/ 667-768 Free Throws attempted... Kobe averaged 31.6
684-1,503 Carmelo Anthony shot attempts w/77 games played w/ 507-605 Free Throws attempted... Melo averaged 25.6
Its OBVIOUS that Kobe shot more... That's why stats particularly for this argument isn't really valid its more who are the top offensive players in the league... Now critique their game... Who is the best scorer? Melo and since Indiana mention it, Dirk, then KD, then Kobe...
Since you love these damn 50 point games sooo much, I did some digging... Out of all of them WHO was the last person to score 50? Go ahead and take your time to find out...
While he's doing that, I did say best scorer in the world NOW right?
When people talk about scorers, I often wonder if they are perhaps looking away from the very best players as often these are the best scorers as well. The greatest player ever by consensus Michael Jordan won an amazing 10 or so scoring titles and was that leader for all his last 10 complete active seasons.
Looking at the current active players those with the leading PPG averages are :-
LeBron 27.69 ppg
KD 25.9 ppg
D-Wade 25.43 ppg
Kobe 25.27 ppg
Melo 24.84 ppg
Dirk 22.95 ppg
I discounted Shaq as he is retired now and wasn't really a volume scorer after 2005.
One interesting thing that surprised me was that D-Wade has a higher PPG average than Kobe although Kobe has played many more games and maintained it over a far greater period. We can perhaps only expect say KD's and maybe Melo marginally if he gets the D'Antoni scoring boost which a lot of players do to perhaps boost their career averages long term as Kobe will watch his minutes going forward and D-Wade and LeBron along with Chris Bosh will share points amongst themselves.
The guys listed above would be fairly much my idea of the best current scorers in the NBA perhaps with adding say STAT to that mix and I'd favour KD to be the most prolific scorer going forward.
Can't wait for the season to start so that a healthy Kobe(first time in 2 1/2 years) can come in and shut this thread down and show that father time hasn't quite caught up with him just yet. Simply that he played through a coupe of injuries that most plyers woudn' havce thus making him look washed up and less athletic than we remember.
tuck, your definition of the best scorer is the player with the best all around offensive game?
I associate the best scorer as the person who can put the ball in the basket the best and the most. So maybe by your bizzaro standard when all around game rules and statistics are secondary Melo may very well be the best scorer right now, but!
By your standard Allen Iverson would be considered a worse scorer than Carmelo Anthony because he didn't have much of a post game, but in reality Allen Iverson is a better scorer. By your standard Wilt Chamberlain would be considered a worse scorer than Carmelo Anthony because he didn't have any sort of mid range or out side game...same goes with Shaq in his prime, but in reality they were both more prolific scorers. A young Jordan didn't get a 3 point shot until the early 90's but still managed to SCORE over 30 points per game over multiple seasons, but according to tucks' standard of who is the best scorer Melo would be considered a better scorer than a 26 year old Jordan because Melo has a more polished post game and a better outside shot.
And your going to come back with some comment saying how you're talking about right NOW and all these old names and stats don't matter, but your process in determining the best scorer doesn't make ANY sense. Lebron is a better scorer than Melo, and yes it may be in part to his physical prowess and not his all around game but that is what a SCORER is, someone who puts the ball in the basket. He got put on a team with D-Wade so he had to take a different role, but he still can....right NOW.
Yes, tuck, by your "special little formula" of determining who is the best scorer, Melo and Dirk are at the top of that list, but Dwight Howard would be towards the bottom of that list NOW but in reality he finished 11th in the league because he's big and strong and can SCORE. The key word is score, you said who is the best scorer, not who has the best all around game.
isn't like baseball where you can look at "Stats" to evaluate a player or players... Especially when you compare them... It's not that simple, because majority of it is based off opinion... Finishing with the highest Points Per Game average doesn't mean you are the best scorer... I'm sorry it just doesn't... Like I said if LeBron scored 30 points a game MAJORITY of the site wouldn't rank him as #1... I did mentioned Iverson, Wilt, and you threw Howard in? LOL... YOU don't even believe yourself anymore, Dwight Howard = Scorer... Yea, that sounds about right??? The best scorer in the world (Wilt is dead, Jordan is old, Iverson is idk) is Melo... The best all-around player is LeBron...
And yes Iverson would be considered less than Melo... Maybe not Wilt because scoring 50 points a game for a season is ridiculous in general... But I'm still talking about right now...
2 points difference between the top player and 5th player in PPG, means nothing with more shot attempts a players Per game average could easily climb... Especially since A.I. 40% shooting average... is terrible but his 25 shot attempts per game allowed him to score his 30 points per game...
Like I said Charles Barkley also believes Carmelo Anthony is the scorer in the NBA...
If you'd actually read what i said, I only mentioned Dwight Howard because despite the fact his game isn't regarded as refined and well rounded he still SCORES to the clip of 23 per night, better than the vast majority of the league. You made a very general statement when you said Melo was the best scorer in the league, but now you've made your own rules as to what that actually means and discredited statistics and anything that is not your opinion in order to hang on to a dying arguement.
I know stats don't account for everything, but I'm not buying your arguement in which they have no merit. It just seems like an excuse because you have nothing to back up your opinion that actually contradicts any evidence that can be sited....Oh, yeah, I forgot your Charles Barkley argrees with me arguement.
It's cool if we disagree, but I wasn't merely bringing up pointless stats and players from the past for no reason. Thats how you back up an arguement, with facts, making connections and from pre existing examples.
@Tuck, sorry man, you lost me 4 days ago, what exactly is your point?
I went back to stats to prove my point too (well somewhat)... Who had the most 50+ point games last year? Who finished top 5?
I'm just saying when the stats are almost identical to the point you are just talking # of attempts rather than how their points are scored than the argument of the "Best Scorer" can't be found on NBA.com or Basketball-Reference... Charles Barkley did state Melo is the Best Scorer right? I might be tripping though... I even put a youtube video on a post... But its so easy to look at stats and try to dead any argument... It's like the Kobe has 5 rings and LeBron has none debate... Who's the better player? It's still LeBron... So, no... I guess we will have to agree to disagree... Fair?
Who is the best scorer in the NBA today? And my opinion its Melo...
But you also the guy who thinks LeBron has a post game... I don't know how much further I should conduct business with you...
LMAO, just joking bro...
When did I say Lebron has a post game? I am the guy ripping Lebron for not having a post game. Go back to that ost and look closely at the wording. I said Lebron should have a post game. I said he should be a great post player.
But does any1 else think lebron is a mid-range jumper away from being the "BEST" scorer in the game??
Cause for a guy with virtually no jumper he seems to be a f'in dangerous scoring threat...
Iverson was overrated as a scorer. Poor shooting percentages with a WHOLE lot of shot attempts. He was a good scorer, but definitely not as good as his 300 ppg numbers said.
Perhaps if we looked at who is the most effective scorer in the NBA then it might throw up some interesting names. For example the perfect example of this perhaps a few years ago was Tim Duncan during he Spurs 3 title wins between 2003 and 2007 when his 20ppg odd performances were perhaps more effective than say AI or T-Mac who were putting up several more points per game.
Kobe and Dirk would be high on my personal list of very effective scorers.
My bad, wont let me edit me post.
Hood_Legend32 Lebron does have a midrange jumper and during the regular season it was one of the most consistent in the league. http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=%25&yr=2011&gp=40&mins=25
These links compare Melo to Lebron:
Who said Melo gets to the line better than Durant? Durant's FTA per game was 10.7 and 8.7 the past two years. Melo 8.7 and 7.0 respectively...
I am with indiana on this one.. dirk deserves a ton of credit... his style of offense is so efficient and unguardable that you can't help but give him the throne here.. at the very least mention his name... this shouldn't be solely a melo kd debate..