Best pg in the league in 3 years
The league is filled with great young pg's and it will be interesting to see who emerges as the best from the pack.
Who do you think will be the best pg in 3 years out of Wall, Rose, Westbrook, Irving, Curry, Lawson, Lillard, and Rubio.
I've got Wall. He has the complete package. Him and Rubio are the best defenders of the bunch and once Wall learns how to play d properly he will be a great defender. Wall is also the best passer along with Rubio of the bunch and now that he has a jumpshot is just as good of a scorer as Irving, Curry and Rose because he is better at getting into the lane and to the line than Curry and Irving and is just as good as Rose in this aspect.
It will be interesting though, hopefully they can all stay healthy.
All of the names you mentioned will probably get all star games in their careers and will be in contention for the best point guard title but I don't think anyone of them will ever be the unquestioned best point guard in the league.
The position is just so deep and talented that it's really hard to stand out from the crowd as the best. A couple of them will be regarded as the best point guard for a season but it'll be hard for them to maintain that top spot for consecutive seasons with so many talented players.
In what way is Wall a better scorer than Irving? Kyrie is just as good at getting to rim. He is better at going to the rim than shooting IMO, so that is saying something.
Let's not get to carried away with his jumper. Yes, it is much improved, but i wouldn't call it solid just yet. He still has a long way to go to 'get a jumper shot".
I still think if you can shut down Wall from getting into the paint he will not be able to continue his high scoring games, whereas Irving and Curry can score out of the point and score high and still efficiently.
I don't think Lawson, Lillard, Rubio and Curry have the ceiling of the other guys or will be in this discussion for no1 but will be when talking 5-9
I think Kyrie if he can stay injury free
Hard to say, but I'm going with my guy Westbrook.
the whole reason people bash on Wall is because he is NOT the complete package. Apart from towards the end of this season, he has not shown he has a jump shot nor that he can play with any sort of pacing or under control. He is my favourite player in the league, but he is far from being the best point guard in the league, and I dont think he will ever be better then Westbrook or Rose(if he comes back at 100%), because IMO Wall is only equal athlete to them, not a better one, and they're both much better skills wise then him at this point.
Did someone just argue that Wall's hot streak in the second half of this season proves he is a better scorer than kyrie irving? Seriously?
It is just absurd. This is taking Wall mania to a whole new level. I love Wall and think he is such a good palyer to watch but Kyrie is leaps and bounds better scorer than Wall. He is the raining 3 point champ, has killer handles to get where he wants to shot the ball, he scores off the glass like a vet, has a nice mid range game, and so good going to the rim.
who said he was a better scorer than Kyrie? I said he's just as good of a scorer now that he has a jumper. He averaged 24 in April and 22 in March. He's a much more complete player overall than Kyrie who is primarily a scorer. Wall passes, defends, scores, rebounds, gets to the line more. The fact that John gets to the line like 2-3 more times per game is pretty big and is why he is just as good of a scorer now that his jumper is legit despite the fact that Kyrie is a much better shooter. John doesn't need great handles like Kyrie does because of his ridiculous athleticism that allows him to get into the lane vs anyone in the league whenever he wants.
with all the respect for Irving and Wall..
it's between Rose & Westbrook..
healthy Rose is even more athletic more skilled and better nearly in everything than Wall while still passes more and has more defensive potential than Irving..
and even with than being said Rose isn't a lock. Westbrook's potential is out of this world..if he can learn how to slow down his speed and to control the game like Rose did in his MVP year..he can be MVP caliber by himself
and all the other Curry Lillard Lawson Holiday..they look like allstar they are what makes PG position arguably deepest of alltime, but let's be real they are not in the same category with those four mentioned above when it's all said and done
Is it at all possible that Russell Westbrook can take OKC from Durant? Is it possible?
I think it comes down to Rose and Westbrook. Irving, Wall, and CP3 will be on that lower tier but still in a tier of their own. (Harden compared to Wade and Kobe)
Those two guys are almost the entire package while the other guys are still trying to put it together (Irving and Wall)
The problem I see with picking the best overall is that all the guys you named are the "best" at different aspects of the position. Rubio has the best floor vision, Rose is the best in traffic and around the rim, Curry is the best shooter, wall is the most complete defender, Irving might be the best closer currently. In order for someone to truly become the best point guard in the league I think they are going to have to develop into being the best or second best in all aspects or its always going to be contested. They are all great players though and the future of the PG position in this league is very bright.
I agree with Fast and Furious. Westbrook I think will be considered the best point guard in a few years. He is a scorer, he can defend, he is probably the most athletic player in the NBA and he isn't injury prone. This is the first time Westbrook has missed any basketball game period dating all the way back to high school. The only thing that holds Westbrook back is that he has to defer to Kevin Durant which I don't think someone as competitive as he is may want to do. Not that this is a bad thing. He has the luxury of playing with arguably the second best player in the NBA. All the other guys you have mentioned other than Rubio and and Lillard are the best players for their team. So the fact that Westbrook stats are what they are while playing alongside an elite player is remarkable. I would have said Rose but I just think Westbrook's mentality may be stronger than Rose. I believe if Westbrook had the same injury Rose had, he would be playing right now. Not bashing Rose for his decision, I just think if you know you are your teams best player and you are cleared to play, why not? Westbrook just plays with that pitbull mentality that all the great's have.
" The only thing that holds Westbrook back is that he has to defer to Kevin Durant" ummmmm when has that ever happened let alone be the thing that holds him back......?
He has had to defer to Durant. When people think of the Thunder. They say it's Kevin Durants team. Westbrook gets bashed if he doesn't defer to him especially being that Westbrook is a point guard. He would get criticized that he shoots too much and needs to give the ball to Durant more. Westbrook is the glue that holds that team together whether people want to admit it or not. Westbrook and Durant are in a situation similar to Shaq and Kobe except without as much drama when they played together. They are both great players individually. But when together they are unstoppable. Durant needs Westbrook just as much as Westbrook needs Durant. Just like Shaq needed Kobe just as much as Kobe needed Shaq. If Westbrook was the man on another team I think he could lead the league in scoring while being top 10 in assist. In fact Westbrook was the only point guard this year that was top 10 in scoring and assist. NO OTHER PG did that. Westbrook has had to sacrifice somewhat. That's why I said what he does is amazing. None of the other point guards the OP mentioned other than Rubio and Lillard have to defer to anyone. The Warriors are Curry's team. The Wizards are Wall's team. The Cavs are Kyrie's team. Westbrook could leave and go to just about any other team in the NBA and he would be the man.
Oh and I forgot to mention westbrook is top 10 in the league in steals. So Westbrook is a top 10 scorer, assists man, and defender in the NBA. While not being injury prone. His potential to be the best point guard in the NBA is limitless
Kyrie if he stays injury-free. Rose if Kyrie doesn't... and then Russell if Rose doesn't.. IMO Curry will be the most consistent of the bunch and have a full length career probably breaking every 3-point record to ever exist.
I didn't know Paul was retiring in three years...nonetheless with regards to that list of players I'm going to opt with Kyrie Irving if he stays healthy, it's crazy to think about how complete he is for his age and I could honestly see him average 28ppg in the next three years.
Westbrook is like an endangered species, the league hasn't seem anything quite like him before but there are some big flaws in his game such as his shot selection and at times destructive attitude which prevents me from seeing him as the best player in his position but I've said it before the Thunder's future success hinges on Westbrook's play more than anybody else on that roster because you know what you're going to get out of Durant, Martin and Ibaka but Westbrook is unpredictable in this regard.
With you sayin that wall is a better passer than everyone and is equal with Rubio. That is absurd to me. Idc what statistics say wall and Rubio are not the same passers
In terms of leading and orchestrating an offense Rubio will be unparalleled in 3 years if he doesn't knock knees with Kobe again, and his jumper will continue to improve. He may not have the physical abilities of Wall but he does have great length for the position... I'm clearly biased as a wolves fan but this is an exciting position looking ahead, there's so much young talent.
The lack of Chris Paul in this thread is kind of alarming. It's not like Paul is an old a decaying talent, he is 28. That means in three years he will be 31, well within the prime of the average point guard. Plus Paul's game is not built on ultra-athleticism that can decay quickly with time.
if rondo had a jump shot you'd have to say him but its russell westbrook.i think he's more athletic than rose imo.he plays on both sides of the ball and plays harder.he has that killer instinct to just destroy the other team.hopefully him and rose can come back healthy.
all the ones listed are good so it be can interesting next couple of years to see who can edge out chris paul.
the way stephen curry is playing it wouldn't shock me if we were talking about him as best in the game at pg.
I'm going against the grain and say Damian Lilliard will be the best PG in 3 years. I don't see a single weakness in his game at all, offensively he can score with the best PGs and at the same time still get his teammates involve.
my order of best pgs in a few years:
It clearly all depends on health. As we just saw with Russell Westbrook and Dwight Howard last season, even the most durable players can be injured.
IF Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook are healthy, I think it's hard to bet against those two. Chris Paul will still have something to say about it, but I thought a healthy Rose was nipping at his heels. Westbrook was close to CP3 this season... It's hard to imagine him not being better in three seasons.
I think CP3 still got it in 3 years, though a lot of the guys will be much closer to him than they are now.
Rose was the best when healthy, so again, injuries aside, it should be Rose. He destroyed Paul that MVP season and last year one-on-one. Not saying that's everything, just worth mentioning.
I'll take Paul. I feel like he's somehow underrated as a PG right now despite being the clear #1 statistically.
In the past 6 years no PG has had a higher PER than CP3 and it usually isn't too close. In the same time period he's lead the league in steals 5 times, stayed in the top 4 in assist/game each year, and has had an Assist/TO ratio that hangs between 4 and 5 each year. Toss in a shooting percentage around 48% through this time and there isn't all that much not to like. His 3 point shooting is bad, but he doesn't make many stupid plays. What else do you really need from a true point guard?
I don't see him dropping all that hard in just 3 years time. He doesn't rely on the insane athleticism of a Rose or Westbrook, and I think his game will age better because of it.
It's definitely John Wall. And ummm... Have u ever heard of Rajon Rondo? He's my second option. Once he play the regular season wit the mentality that he play wit in the playoffs it's a wrap. I don't think the injury will slow him down because he is a warrior just like AP