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Best MVP race in quite some time

I know its still pretty early but I love this MVP race. With Lebron dominating the NBA the past 2 seasons, it was never really in doubt. Now that he's in Miami you have so much guys who could win it.

Ama're Stoudemire

Derrick Rose

Dirk Nowitzki

Lebron James

Kobe Bryant

Dwyane Wade

Deron Williams

Rajon Rondo

Dwight Howard

Manu Ginobli

Gonna be a photo finish to the end. Makes for some pretty entertaining basketball.


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I ask this: If LeBron puts up

I ask this: If LeBron puts up 25-6-6 and Miami wins the East....does he win it?

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Nope, for the main reason why

Nope, for the main reason why KG didn't win it in Boston his first year. If LeBron gets hurt that's still a decent team that could win. Can't say the same for teams like the Knicks without Amare, or Mavs without Dirk. Guys like that are leading their teams as the main guy every night.

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LeBron is not winning MVP.

LeBron is not winning MVP. The only good thing he's said to the media over the last 5 months was that neither he or Wade is going to win MVP. Take either off that team and it's still a 50-win team. Wade won 47 games last year without either, for god sakes.

As boring as it would be for him to win again (and it would give him more MVP's than Shaq and Kobe), I honestly think Dirk is the MVP again this year. The Mavs are 2-4 w/o him and would be winning the west if he was healthy.

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The Bulls would be terrible

The Bulls would be terrible without Rose.

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i dont kobe at this pt. is

i dont kobe at this pt. is near an mvp candiate

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I know Durant's not

I know Durant's not performing exceptionally well but he's still leading the league in scoring so he has to be up there

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The most valuable player

The most valuable player should be Rose or Amare. If you take either of them off there teams, they would suck, so they are the most valuable imo.

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So let's ask this, what do

So let's ask this, what do you think about these candidates then...who would most likely win? all just projecting

Stoudemire: 27-9-2 on a 50 win team

Rose: 28-7-2 on a 55 win team

Howard: 23-12-3 on a 58 win team

Durant: 30-7-3 on a 55 win team

Westbrook: 25-6-8 on a 55 win team

Who would win that?

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kobe will be motivated and go

kobe will be motivated and go on a tear and win. He is currently at 25-5-5 and on a top 5 team.

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I doubt Kobe is winning it.

I doubt Kobe is winning it. He's putting up great numbers on a top 5 team but so is LeBron....and Wade....and Durant....and Westbrook. If he pulls away and shows dominance the last 3 months...maybe.

I think Dwight Howard has the best case to win it. Monster on D, improved O and overall clog on a team that would win 30 games without him

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why does kobe have to pull

why does kobe have to pull away? Have those guys you mentioned pulled away? Whats the difference? Fact is this is one of the closest mvp races i have ever seen with maybe 10 legit candidates and not one of them has a clear edge.

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why does kobe have to pull

why does kobe have to pull away? Have those guys you mentioned pulled away? Whats the difference? Fact is this is one of the closest mvp races i have ever seen with maybe 10 legit candidates and not one of them has a clear edge.

I think Derrick Rose is ahead of everyone right now IMO. He needs to pull away because right now, people are talking about Kobe aging. I doubt were gonna give it to someone who many people believe is slowing down ALOT at this point. Kobe needs to have a monster 2nd half to take it. My example, I'd give it to LeBron over Kobe right now considering EVERYTHING ( moved to a new team, issues on and off court, he's been the NBA's most consistant player this entire year IMO)

If I had to make a top 5 today, Kobe's not in it. It's Rose-Howard-James-Westbrook-Stoudemire

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thats fine, you could not

thats fine, you could not include kobe in your top 5 and get no argument from me. Like i said, its very close. But no one you have mentioned is clearly ahead of kobe. It really just goes to show how great kobe is that 25-5-5 while playing the least minutes since he was a teenager is considered slowing down. And the lakers who are in 5th and about 3 games out of second are having a bad year.

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So were just gonna ignore the

So were just gonna ignore the fact Pau Gasol was holding up the Lakers for a month? That what I mean when I mean EVERYTHING. I look at everything, that's why I don't have Kobe in my top 5. I feel the 5 I named have all done better then Kobe. I feel Rose is CLEARLY ahead of Kobe. I think Howard is CLEARLY ahead of Kobe. I think Westbrook is above Kobe and Stoudemir'e is probably on Kobe's level.

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pau never held up the lakers

pau never held up the lakers for a month. It was more like 2 weeks and kobe was still doing his thing. The Pau for mvp talk died real quick. ANd ill repeat, thats cool you dont have kobe in your top 5. No argument here. All i said was that nobody has clearly pulled ahead of kobe so i dont see how you label kobe as having to do something crazy down the stretch while everyone else doesnt. I mean amare isnt on a better team then kobe, he only gets 2 more points, he doesnt play better defense. He doesnt create for his teammates as well. But he is number 1 by some people. Just goes to show that people have different standards for each.

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But he is number 1 by some

But he is number 1 by some people. Just goes to show that people have different standards for each.

Ok, I'll bite: Who else besides you and Laker land have Kobe as the #1 MVP candidate

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i never said kobe is number 1

i never said kobe is number 1 for mvp

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Then who is he #1 for? That

Then who is he #1 for? That first line I put is what you said

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at this point, i think the

at this point, i think the mvp is too close to give anyone in the league an edge. Like i have been saying, its all a toss up and nobody is pulling away from the others.

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you misunderstood my quote, i

you misunderstood my quote, i was comparing kobe with amare and mentioned that some people have amare as number 1 even though i dont think amare is better then kobe.

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Kobe Bryant deserves very

Kobe Bryant deserves very limited mention for the MVP as of now. He would have to really have a monster 2nd half of the season to get MVP.

Derrick Rose is a much better choice for MVP, as are Amare and Dirk. Those should be the top 3 guys.

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i disagree. Kobe is slept on.

i disagree. Kobe is slept on. He is shooting at the same percentage he always has and if you like those PER john hollinger things, he is having one of the best seasons of his career. He is getting his stats on the same clip as he always has. Plus even in his decling age, he is still a better defender then most of the other elite mvp candidates. Take last night for example, kobe got 25 on 10-19 shooting and led his team to victory over a tough new orleans squad. But his standards are so high, nobody is gonna talk about a night like that. The only time you hear about kobe is when he has an off night since its more newsworthy then him doing his thing.

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put it this way, take amare

put it this way, take amare off the knicks or dirk off the mavs or rose off the bulls and replace them with kobe and i think each of those teams either stays the same or improves. SO how are those guys clearly better?

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I think this don't get

I think this don't get better, Amare is vital to the Knicks, more then what Kobe would ever do for the Knicks (because of the lack of bigs). Chicago might stay the same if Kobe runs the point (otherwise they get worse). And the Mavs would get better because of the Butler injury only, otherwise Dirk is such a matchup nightmare and they lose length. So Kobe doesn't make other teams better IMO. He is really just very good because of the system he's in and the team he has. I'm not taking anything away from Kobe, he just doesn't make those teams better if you took off those players.

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"He is really just very good

"He is really just very good because of the system he's in and the team he has. I'm not taking anything away from Kobe"

ReallY? Kobe is just good becasue of the team and the system and your not taking anything away from him?

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No i'm not, he probably is

No i'm not, he probably is top 10 all time and is one of the all time greats. But at his age now, he wouldn't be able to go to another team and instantly make them a better team.

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I think Rose, Dirk and Amare

I think Rose, Dirk and Amare are having better seasons than Kobe is, and are more valuable to the NBA as of now than he is as well. Rose is the MVP of the NBA right now though. The way he's making the Bulls competitive with the team they have makes him the MVP of the NBA. Kobe hasn't been the most valuable player in the NBA this year.

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like ive been saying all

like ive been saying all along, i have never claimed kobe is the mvp or deserving of mvp. I would probably rank a few guys ahead of him too right now. But im seeing some comments like kobe has to go on some crazy tear and dominate the secnod half the season to have a chance and i dont agree with that at all. He is absolutely right in the mix.

and bigD, suggesting kobe is a product of his team and his system is absolutely taking something away from him. Kobe is great on his own merits and i think he would be the leader on any team he played on.

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You obviously misunderstand

You obviously misunderstand what i said, i never mentioned anything of him not being the leader of the team, he just wouldn't make it a better team.

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"He is really just very good

"He is really just very good because of the system he's in and the team he has"

what part of this quote that i mentioned did i misunderstand?

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For his age that is now, he

For his age that is now, he wouldn't be doing as well if not for the Lakers system and Jackson, if you sent him to the run and gun Knicks system he wouldn't be as effective for example. The Lakers system is built around him and it really helps his play at this stage into his career.

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You don't think he's the top

You don't think he's the top candidate, then how would he not have to have a monster season to get MVP? You think Dirk, Amare, and Derrick Rose and even Lebron will level off and Kobe will get it that way, or what? He'd have to increase his production a good bit to be MVP, unless you're depending on those guys to level off, which of course is super unlikely.

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i think you are

i think you are underestimating where he is at as a player and a competitor. The lakers have always played a slow half court style, even when he was younger. While kobe might not be best suited for an open court run and gun system, how many teams really play that way? The knicks warriors and suns? ANd those teams could all benefit from a half court post presence. Heck, kobe is proabably a better post player then either amare or dirk and would draw more double teams in the low box.

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@iggy, i think its a toss up

@iggy, i think its a toss up between all those guys with kobe right in the mix. No one has to fall off. Kobe just plays slightly better adn no one else goes crazy and kobe can defenitely win mvp.

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Okay after that last comment

Okay after that last comment i don't think i'll even bother to reply it sounds so bizarre, a better post player then dirk, maybbe amare but definately not dirk? get off the grass.

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i do think kobe is a better

i do think kobe is a better post player then dirk. Kobe actually runs the majority of his offense through the post. Obviously he is not gona post up pf's, but based on their respective positions, I would trust running the ball through kobe in the post over dirk. ANd its funny you are calling me out for an outlandish comment when you are the one who said kobe is only great becasue of the system he plays in.

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other than the media not

other than the media not liking lebron, i dont see any reason he couldnt be the winner of it. everyone said his numbers would dip because of wade and bosh, but they are very close. the heat are dominating people and his defense has been very good. i dont like lebron but he is there at the front with guys like rose, durant, dirk, and amare.

and i never really get why people put dirk in the conversation all the time but amare gets hated on. dirk is a seven footer that gets like 7.5 rpg and himself isnt a good defender. amare is only hated on because he has "athletic ability" and in theory should be better. im just saying in an mvp race, i think amare should get the nod because he rebounds better and is overall more of a problem for other defenses than dirk, imo.

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BigD, since you think kobe

BigD, since you think kobe only looks as good as he does becasue the lakers system, tell me what teams he wouldnt be able to be the best player on? Only one i might give you is miami and thats becasue he would have to share the ball with 2 other guys and even then i think kobe is the best post player on the heat and would get his touches.

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Kobe is not winning the mvp I

Kobe is not winning the mvp I dons't even know if he'll finish in the top 5. Dirk, Amare, Rose, Lebron, Dwade, Dwight Howard, Deron Williams and even players like KD and CP3 even could surpass Kobe in the mvp race. Kobe is having a good season just not as good as those guys and not more valuable to his team than the guys I just mentioned

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Lebron is defenitely still in

Lebron is defenitely still in the mix and if i had to vote today i might give it to lebron. Ive never been a fan of the politics that are invloved in mvp voting.

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