Best draft pick for Celtics 1) keeping kg/pp 2) rebuilding
In either case is it BPA or for 1) pick a pf/c that can come off the bench and immediately help , bc melo looks like a fail pick. Example Olynyk or Plumlee. There is also help needed for someone who can play point but also can create their own shot. A player like Mcollum would be perfect , but also mature talented players like Larkin that should be avail.
As for 2) situation, if a scoring machine like Kentavious Caldwell pope would he be the best player to take??
I'm also thinking , celtics could trade their 16th, draft a KCP , trade him to OKC if they are interested and obtain a late 1st and early 2nd. With those picks grab one pf/c Dieng/Withey/Muscala and one guard such as Nate Wolters, Kabango, Canaan, Brown
Don't see why OKC would be interested in KCP. They already have Lamb as a 2 guard to develop and of course Martin and Thabo to contribute right now.
Martin is a UFA next year , and i don't believed will be resigned by OKC. Martin is looking for at least the contract he is getting now 12 mill a year or more.
Lamb has good potential but wasn't good enough to make OKC's roster this year. Thabo is a utility guard and not really an "impact" player. With OKC having the 10th pick, and now with 16th (if they make a deal with the celts) you can get two "ready" players (one big an one non big) to bolster your lineup. Or one ready and one stash (Saric). Instead of picking up one impact player and two players with less potential down the draft.(OKC also has a pretty packed lineup for next year)
The celtics would have little problem getting the later picks, bc they need to fill out their roster in a variety of ways and if the picks don't pan out, the better chance they get at a high 2014 pick.
Lamb is a better prospect then KCP. He didn't make the rotation because Thabo and Martin are proven vets who excel at their roles. OKC is trying to make a run a 'ship, winning games is more important then giving minutes to young guys.
"Martin is looking for at least the contract he is getting now 12 mill a year or more." that is funny and ludicrous at the same time.
Kevin Martin was an overpaid player when he was the best guy on a Rockets team that rarely/barely made the playoffs. He knows that he is not worth 12 million and knows he will see nothing close to that in free agency. I think Martin wants to stay with OKC taking a pay cut to remain on a championship contending team.
In my opinion, he is pretty much equivalent to O.J. Mayo. He has similar stats to Mayo, better at getting to the line and less turnovers because he handles the rock less.
I also think that Martin and Mayo are both worth about the same, any where between 5-8 million/year (more realistically 6 or 7). Both players should be the 3rd scoring option on a championship contending team.
I could honestly see Kevin Martin on the Celtics and Courtney Lee on the Thunder (although I don't necessarily know how it would work out money wise). Courtney Lee plays solid defense, doesn't need the ball to be effective, and costs less than Martin. Martin could provide the Celtics with much needed scoring output off the bench. Celtics have too many mediocre SGs with Terry, Lee, and Crawford (none of these guys have played up to their potential, especially during the regular season). The C's should try to trade Crawford for a late 2nd round pick to take.... Pierre Jackson.
I want the Celtics to somehow get Jeff Withey and Jackson. Both of those players hold down their respective positions effectively and would look good on a team with veterans/proven players (Pierce, KG, Rondo, Green). I believe that Withey could come in ready to play minutes at C (helping KG get more minutes at the 4), and Jackson could be a good backup for Rondo (he can create for himself and others while remaining composed).
I'm not giving up on Sully yet. He was once considered a top 5 pick and BOS got a bargain because of a medical red flag. If he stays healthy he would be a huge rebuilding piece in 2-3 years.
Melo got off to a very sub par start at Cuse and then eventually turned into the type of talent people thought he would be right away... it could turn out to be the same thing at the NBA level. Quality big men takes YEARS to develop (not counting lottery studs like Davis, Griffin, Aldridge ect). BOS got Melo well outside the lottery so expectations of him should be limited.
I like the idea of a guard who can shoot next to Rondo and a guard that can create next to Bradley... if you can get both in the same player than I don't see how Boston could pass him up.
If CJ McCollum is available at 16, I would really like the Celtics to get him. He could play back-up PG and be an effective scorer who can play on and off the ball as SG. I don't think he will be available after the lottery, but I think the Celtics should really snap him up if they get the chance. He could develop into what the Celtics hoped they would get in Jason Terry.
And what do ya all think of trading Lee+ 1st(16th pick) to the Minnesota for 9th and 25th,then try to trade Terry to the Spurs in a sign and trade for Blair?
Blair and Cory joseph
The Celtics have been rebuilding for the future while contending for championships. Just take a look at all their youngsters: Jeff Green, Avery Bradley, Jared Sullinger, Terrence Williams, Fab Melo, Courtney Lee and Brandon Bass. These are fantastic young players to start a rebuild alongside Rajon Rondo. I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to trade Rondo but they're better off keeping him.
As for this draft, pick the best player available, preferably a small forward like Giannis Adetokuobo, Livio Jean-Charles or maybe Dario Saric. That's their biggest hole at the moment imo moking forward.
Really, small forward is their biggest hole? The position Jeff Green (arguably their second best player behind Rondo) plays?
You forgot Crawford who I rather have than Lee cause Lee is a trade chip at the moment,and not to say three years younger
so if PP and KG stay with the addition of two picks nad the core of Green,Rondo,Bradley,TWill,Sully,Melo,Crawford and perhaps Blair with maybe Bass but perhaps it is for the best to trade him you have 13 players.I would retain Randolph plus maybe Collins and that is it
All I'm gonna say is, "Is this the draft the Celtics want to stack picks in, when 2014 looks amazing?"
I think they should cut bait with the old guys, acquire as many picks as possible for 2014, and try and get two lotto picks next year.
The problem which such a hyped draft is that every other team knows this. Not many teams will be willing to part with their picks, or atleast not for anything small. What a team might offer for pick 5 in 2013 draft is not what the value of a pick 5 in the 2014 draft will be, much much more valuable.
Cs have gotten more than they could ever want out of this experiment and have sneakily gotten a bunch of young talent. KG and PP don;t look like they want to leave, and they shouldn't trade them. The guys helped the organisation to heaps of success and deserve to go out on their terms.
I would go for a SG or C so I'll like to see them go for a player like Adams. I think he is one of those players who will play much better as a pro and has a chance to be a top Center in the league. Also in the mix is Pope. I like Sully as a future PF for the team, I remember when he was projected 1, it is just a matter of how accurate that medical red flag was and if he can stay healthy.
If Pierce wants to play one more year and Garnett is willing to do so as well, I'd keep them around to mentor the young guys and see what happens.
I'd tell Doc that you want the youngsters to get more playing time, to see what KG can impart to Melo about anchoring the D before he retires, see if Jordan Crawford can be more consistent, and for the love of God stop playing Jason Terry so much, the man's defensive deficiencies are ridiculous, and his offensive contributions are limited.
Pierce and KG both looked very old against the Knicks, but the Celtics young players showed flashes. Doc needs to take the Spurs approach and start limiting the minutes of his ageing stars even more and develop his young guys in the regular season.
They might miss the playoffs or they might make a deep post-season run, it all comes down to health for this team.
The rest of the team has learned a lot from playing without Rondo, and will continue to develop in his absence, so when he comes back healthy he won't be required to do every little thing during the regular season and the youngsters will have more confidence.
If no key players are injured, I don't see why this team couldn't stay together one more year and still be well-positioned for the future, it's not like our young core is lacking talent, it just needs experience, and having Pierce and KG around to mentor them is more valuable than a high draft pick who might struggle to make the rotation given all the good young players we already have (barring us winning a top-3 pick in the lottery).
Yeah CJ McCollum comes to mind as far as a perfect fit for the Celtics at 16, let's just hope he drops that far.
He'd fill a hole in terms of a guy who can create his own shot but also play back-up PG, something the Cs have REALLY lacked with Rondo out. As much as I like Bradley, he's clearly not a PG.
I quite like Sullinger and Melo as our frontcourt going forward, both were guys who fell in the draft but were considered lottery picks at one time or another. Melo's lack of playing time shouldn't be much of a concern, Doc doesn't play rookies that often, it took Bradley a year or two to get off the bench, same thing will happen with Melo - he could be seeing major minutes next year, especially if KG leaves.
What our young core is lacking is another shot creator and outside shooting, other than that we're set.
I lived in Boston for 6 years and just recently moved to the SF Bay area. It has been tough as a Celtics fan in the last couple of years. Pierce is the heart and soul of the Celtics and whenever I bring up trading him with my Boston friends, they act like I'm selling my soul to the devil. They could get out of his contract by not picking up his team option, but I don't see that happening. More than likely, that option will be picked up (regardless of if he is traded or not) because even if they don't pick it up, they still won't be under the cap. My dream plan would be to trade him to the Clippers for some young pieces and picks. Then get rid of KG to the highest bidder. That way you rebuild around Rondo, Bradley, Green and Sully, as well as any young pieces you get back for KG and PP. This way you could possibly have a chance at a high pick in the very valuable 2014 draft for a stud to pair with their core.
As for this draft, it most likely needs to be a BPA type of deal. The best would be a "project" type player with a high ceiling that allows them to still get that high 2014 pick. Someone like Saric, Adetokoubo, Gobert, or Nogueira would be perfect. If not a project, then I like McCollum, Dieng, or Withey (if they trade back a bit). As for the comment of Melo being a bust, I think that it's a little early to say that. Doc brings players along a bit slowly as he did with Avery Bradley. Melo has a shot at getting more minutes next year. Remember, Doc loves defensive players, and Melo was the Big East Defensive Player of the Year. I'm completely torn. Blow it up and start over? Or should they try for one more shot with Rondo back and Jeff Green playing like the player everyone thought he could be.