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Best Debut Album/Hip Hop dissucion

What debut album was the best

Dr Dre- Chronic

Snoop Dogg- Doggystyle

Biggie- Ready to Die

Nas- Illmatic

Eazy-E - Eazy Duz It


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Lil' Wayne - No Ceilings

Lil' Wayne - No Ceilings

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Either Ready To Die or

Either Ready To Die or Illmatic

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@symbol... you know no ceilings isnt Wayne's debut right???

Its out of Dr. Dre - The Chronic which changed rap (although i like Snoops Doggystyle more...still can be played track to track) or Outkast - SouthernPlayaListic . i think i spelled that right.

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I think Illmatic is the best

I think Illmatic is the best debut album on that list because it is easily the most lyrical album. If you want production then The Chronic because that changed the soundscape of music for a decade. And Doggystyle kinda of did a little of both and brought out that WestCoast life style to the forefront. But my favorite debut album of the 90's was Reasonal Doubt and how dare you live it off that list. Reasonal Doubt was an incredible album. And another one you forgot which deserved to be mentioned in the same breathe is The Slim Shady LP. Have you ever heard anything like that in your life? The first time anybody listened to the Slim Shady LP your jaws were on the ground and you were either cracking up, at complete awwe with his creativity and word play, or making a sour face because some of the ish he said was just too much. I don't think any of the above albums left that sort of impact on you upon first listen. And I thought it was SouthernPlayaListicCadillacMuzik by outkast that was a great album too.

It would of been funner to do the best debut albums of the new Millenia. I think the top 5 on that list would be:

1. 50 Cent Get Rich or Die Trying (name one hip hop fan that wasn't waiting for that album to drop)

2. Kanye West College Dropout (Hate em or love em his debut is classic full of lyrics and inspiration)

3. Chamillionaire Sound Of Revenge (Hard Flows, Hot Beats, and Great Hooks, Not to mention his punchlines could fill up a boxers career. Cham's debut set to prove everybody wrong the he could take the game and he almost had it if it wasn't for his label. He is still about as talented a rapper you will find)

4. The Game The Documentary (classic best west coast album since Pac's Makaveli)

5. Drake Thank Me Later (so what you want but his talent is undeniable I hated this album at first but the more I listened the more I became addicted and like he said. "Call me overrated, or created, or too jaded, because anyway you put &$#%#&@! I made IT!!)

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i like your millenia one, but

i like your millenia one, but Philadelphia Freeway, which i'm listening to right now goes on that list. cant argue with that list, except Chamillionaire had hella music out before that. Dont really think it was his debut, but it was big. Philly Freeway had me convinced the Roc would kill the next 10 years. I'm from Oakland and you couldnt go anywhere without hearing Freeway and or young guns (Cant stop wont stop) out here. So much for that.

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Not a fan of Jay-Z at

Not a fan of Jay-Z at all......

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whoa i thought we had to

whoa i thought we had to choose from the list?

if we can add to it Little Brothers The Listening would be in my top 10

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Wu-Tang???

No love for Enter the 36 Chambers???

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There are a million debut

There are a million debut albums lol I just was listening to a couple lol dont beat me up

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Cant go wrong with Illmatic

Cant go wrong with Illmatic or Ready to Die

Still bump to them daily

but not a fan of Jay-Z Wiz?... I cant really rock with his new stuff but Reasonable Doubt was a Classic

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my favorites

nelly- country grammar

ludacris- back for the first time

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Ready to Die is the best

Ready to Die is the best hands down It was when the world was introduced to the greatness of Biggie songs like Juicy, One more chance, Big Poppa, Warning, Unbelivable, Suicidal thoughts and Who shot ya are classics. When he raps in that album he just telling his life story and his flow was unbeliviable. But Illamtic is really reallly good too.

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Illmatic is not only the best

Illmatic is not only the best debut, it's the best rap album of all-time. I don't give a damn what anybody says.

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You guys have all made good

You guys have all made good choices...but im a little disappointed that Lil B hasnt been mentioned...i mean i advertise for this dude all over the site...do you think i do it for my health, or because i like his music?

SMH

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McDunkin

this equals a PattyMills statement. theres bad, theres worse, there worst, and then theres that guy.

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Drake, Thank Me

Drake, Thank Me later?

Really? It was solid at best.

from that list, Illmatic is the best imo.

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Mr. 19134

Props on the Chamillionaire love.

And where is 19134?

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Illmatic is the best debut

Illmatic is the best debut album ever...and thats coming from a West Coast guy! The Chronic and Doggystyle were revolutionary, but no one can see Nas lyrically to this day.

Mr. 19134 I love all the albums you put up too, but you can't put Thank Me Later on the same level as Get Rich, College Dropout, & The Documentary.

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my bad didnt notice debut i

my bad didnt notice debut i just thought it said best album

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J Smoove Drake said thank me

J Smoove Drake said thank me Later not now, in a few years you and other people will still be hearing these songs. I thought the album was a huge disapointment at first but then I found myself not being able to stop listening to it. He really is a humble rapper he is dropping crazy contemplatives metaphors right now. Like when he says "I'm living for the memories I right now." Thats the type of insight that you don't hear in mainstream hip hop anymore.

And Jay Peezie3 you're from Oakland California? And ya'll bumped Freeway out there? Philadelphia Freeway is one of my favorite albums of all time its def on my top ten list. And if is easily one of the albums that if I were trapped on an island I would need to have. Every song on their is classic. And Flipside is one of the biggest songs to have come out this city that song still gets people going crazy, and the video was shot 5 blocks from my house it was a big deal, Roc A Fella had this whole city roccing. I'm from Philly and I've met Beans, Young Chris, Peedi that dude is always wacced he's a straight wet head. But Free I aint meet yet because he's always doing his thing trying to better himself. And Peedi is a legend in this city too, people around here hate that Jay never released him Prince of The Roc Debut because that album was crazy...I use to have it I gotta get it again cuz once Jay aint release it Peedi just took it and bootlegged it which was one of the reason him and Jay had a fallin out.
And whats funny about that is Ne-Yo is an international celebrity right now but does anybody remember what rapper was featured in his first video to give him street cred? Peedi Crack!

And Trinajoe I must of put everybody in North Philly on to Chamillionaire, I remember just seeing a black dude and a white dude on the cover of Get Ya Mind Correct and all this critical acclaim online so I downloaded it and been addicted since. The Sound Of Revenge was Chamillionaire's first official solo album on a major record label. It was properly titled because Cham always put himself up there with Jay, Em, and Luda even before that album came out and people said he was overrated himself he was just a mixtape and punchline rapper and he couldn't sell records in "The Industry" He proved everybody wrong after it went Platinum. His second album the Ultimate Victory was criminally underrated cuz that was one of the hottest albums of the year. It had critical acclaim but the label decided to go with Hip Hop Police/Evening News as the first singles and Cham wanted Ultimate Vacation and Industry Groupie to be the first 2 singles. Then right before he was about to shoot the Industry Groupie video Universal cut the budget and said no. His 3rd album Venom is being held back for the same reasons.

In case you don't know about the album Venom which should of came out a year ago, go on youtube and look for the songs, I'm Gone (Patrone), Creepin' Solo, and Good Mourning...He got a video for Good Mourning (yes mourning is spelled right for the song) but couldnt get them to budget the Creepin Solo or Im Gone video...Or release the album...I hate labels.

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Mr. 19134 I feel you, but

Mr. 19134 I feel you, but what i'm saying is all those albums are hip-hop classics this one isn't. Its an 8 maybe 8.5/10 I'm not hating, cuz I listen to the album almost everyday too. His one-liners and metaphors are crazy. But you can't put songs off this album on the level with Dreams, How We Do, Hate It or Love It, In Da Club, Many Men, Patiently Waiting, Jesus Walks, Through The Wire, All Falls Down, Turn It Up, etc.

Im not knocking Drake at all cuz I love his music, this just can't be put up there with those albums.

& you hit it right on the head with Cham. I hate how the label hung him out to dry like that. I hope Venom does eventually drop, because that man puts out classics. Creepin' Solo is better than ANY song that gets major radio play right now hands down.

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Yup

It's Illmatic and it's not even close.

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Creepin Solo is my ringtone

Creepin Solo is my ringtone and sometimes I get caught up in letting it ring and get angry voice mails...

And I think Fireworks, Resistance, Over, Up All Night, Show Me a Good Time, Light it Up And Miss Me especially Miss Me, Light It Up, and Over are classic songs then 5 years from now you will find yourself going back and listening to just like you are with the songs you mentioned...

And every time I got a friend who hates on Cham I just let em listen to In The Trunk, I Love Void In My Life off That Album Too, well the whole Sound Of Revenge album to me is amazing. I don't skip one song.

I was skipping like half of Drakes album then it grew on me like a fungus. Like I hated Kareoke at first but now I love it.

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Im glad you got NP turned on

Im glad you got NP turned on to Chamillionaire. Being from Philly and now living in Houston I feel like I was cheated for the first16 years of my life(in philly). Now Im not huge into hip hop(its my favorite music but I just dont listen to much music) but I feel in Philly we didnt get enough of the hip hop from the south. That is just from what I remember tho. But alot of these houston guys go pretty hard and I love the hip hop here.

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Nobody down with Ready to

Nobody down with Ready to Die? The Chronic changed the game big time just saying

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I like Ready to Die but don't

I like Ready to Die but don't get me started on Biggie because he was a transcending talent but because he got murdered before he could record more material I think he is overrated. Biggie had the benefit of having Diddy just create classical music and tell him how to rap on the records and construct classic hooks. There is no doubt about Diddy's ability to create a superstar out of an average rapper. But Biggie was not average he is one of the greatest of all time just not the greatest. I'm a big Big L fan and think he was every bit as good as Biggie was lyrically if not even more clever in his metaphors. If Big L had the pillow of Diddy around him who knows how good he could of been. And I really don't think Biggie would of put rap in a cholkhold if he was still a live like Jay Z did. Biggie worked slow, and Diddy does too. Look how long it takes Diddy to release albums. Biggie would of released a classic album every 3 years probably or 2 years. But Jay would of did what he did and just drop a borderline classic smash hit album every year and started the fashion thing and everything else. Jay was always a business man and would of excelled regardless. Biggie was more a soldier who fell in line and did what he was told by Diddy. As well he should of Diddy knew what he was talking about.

And Trinajoe I've been obsessed with Houston since Lil Flip hit it big. I like their whole lifestyle. And their music is amazing I'm a big supporter of Houston music because they got their own vibe down their. They're so relaxed and chilled. And I love chopped and screwed music in the winter time during cold dark nights I listen to it. I was just listening to Z'Ro's album Crack, he got real chill music. His cousin Trae good too. I was shocked when i bought Paul Wall second album The People's Champ and saw a feature with Freeway. And then he got Freeway again on his second album both of them songs are fire. There's an underground rapper from my neighborhood a white dude called Vinnie Paz he's known for a hard flow, straight underground anti mainstream music, and sacriligious metaphors, but on his debut album, Assassin Season, He got a song with Paul called Paul and Paz, look it up its pretty good. Never in a million years did I think I would hear a Jedi Mind Tricks-Paul Wall collaboration...If you wanna hear some amazingly epic beats, and the hardest flows around, YouTube Jedi Mind Tricks. A few of their best songs are: Razorblade Salvation, Before The Great Collapse, Uncommon Valor, Tibetan Black Magicians, Just to name a few. Their music is both epic, lyrical, creative, and insane.

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Oh and the point I was trying

Oh and the point I was trying to make on the Drake album is you got to let a few years pass before you can judge the impact and album has made. And I promise you that in 5 years you will still be listening to that album making it classic. A few of the songs are already burned in your brain, and in a few years you will hear that album and it will bring back memories of this time period, John Wall rookie year, The Melo Trade and all that your brain will relate it back to it.

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I like how u gave Big L props

I like how u gave Big L props but how can you praise him and Biggie but say Jay-z put a chokehold on rap?? Jay-z has no flow he steals from Biggie and Big L plus how can you respect the man after Nas exposed him.........Ether anyone? lol

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Yeah WizKid I get them points

Yeah WizKid I get them points I argue with my boys all the time about them, but remember Jay Z did put rap in a chokehold. Jay Z thought he was the Mike Jordan of Rap. That's what propelled him to have the career he did. Jay Z's work ethic at the time was unparalleled. Remember people were only releasing albums every 2 years and he came out with Vol. 1, then 10 months later, Vol. 2, then Vol. 3 a year after that and didn't slow down. Countless appearances on other peoples songs, remixes, and his own label. Roc-A-Fella was the undisputed champs of the music biz at the time. Not to mention all his other adventures like clothes and so on. Do you think he got enough money to buy a share of the Nets just by rapping? And you wanna talk about Ether, riddle me this. When Nas' career looked like it was about over who did he sign with to sell records and get more exposure? You got it Nas signed with Jay Z when he was the president of Def Jam a position Nas will never be offered in his life. And Jay is still going strong. Performing your hit single before the first pitch of the World Series anyone? Jay is a special talent.

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Yeah WizKid I get them points

Yeah WizKid I get them points I argue with my boys all the time about them, but remember Jay Z did put rap in a chokehold. Jay Z thought he was the Mike Jordan of Rap. That's what propelled him to have the career he did. Jay Z's work ethic at the time was unparalleled. Remember people were only releasing albums every 2 years and he came out with Vol. 1, then 10 months later, Vol. 2, then Vol. 3 a year after that and didn't slow down. Countless appearances on other peoples songs, remixes, and his own label. Roc-A-Fella was the undisputed champs of the music biz at the time. Not to mention all his other adventures like clothes and so on. Do you think he got enough money to buy a share of the Nets just by rapping? And you wanna talk about Ether, riddle me this. When Nas' career looked like it was about over who did he sign with to sell records and get more exposure? You got it Nas signed with Jay Z when he was the president of Def Jam a position Nas will never be offered in his life. And Jay is still going strong. Performing your hit single before the first pitch of the World Series anyone? Jay is a special talent.

Lemme make this clear. Jay Z has taken rap to heights nobody ever thought. Growing up did you ever think you would see somebody rapping to start off A World Series at Yankee Stadium?

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Im sorry but Drake is far

Im sorry but Drake is far from humble

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At the time of Big and Pac's

At the time of Big and Pac's death they were at the top of the rap charts and when they died everyone was so lookin for the next king of rap I commend Jay-z for steppin up and taking the crown but be real if they would not have have died Jay-z would still be a background artist. And as far as Nas he always had the lyrics better than Jay-z you cant argue that but the game evolved and nobody wanted to hear stories and lyrical content they wanted catchy hooks and good beats Nas couldnt adapt to the new style so he suffered............so did Rakim my personal favorite

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I'll break it down like this...

Best solo debut: Nas - Illmatic / Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx

Best group debut: Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) / Eric B. & Rakim - Paid in Full

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Jay does it all. He just had

Jay does it all. He just had the motivation. His stories reminds me of Kobe's when all the premier athlete retired Kobe took the reigns and when the new prodigies entered the league he still is winning Chips. Jay is an unstoppable force in music. Reasonal Doubt and It Was Written came out on the same day. I think both of them albums are classic and can't tell you which ones better. But after that Jay just took it and Nas didn't.

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New millenium debut joints worth checking out....

New millenium debut joints worth checking out....

Buckwild - Rare Studio Masters

C-Rayz Walz - The Prelude

NYGZ - Welcome 2 G-Dom

eMC - The Show

J-Live - The Best Part

Joell Ortiz - The Brick- Bodega Chronicles

Non Phixion - The Future Is Now

Immortal Technique - Revolutionary, Vol. 1

R.A. the Rugged Man - Die, Rugged Man, Die

U.N. - Un Or U Out

50 Cent - Get Rich or Die Tryin'

Blaq Poet - Rewind (Deja Screw)

Imam Thug - Die Hard

Infamous Mobb - Special Edition

Killa Sha - God Walk on Water (R.I.P.)

Monster Island Czars - Ecape from Monster Island!

The Longshots - Hunger Music

N.Y. Oil - Hood Treason

Asheru and Blue Black of the Unspoken Heard - Soon Come

Kev Brown - I Do What I Do

Big Shug - Who's Hard?

Scientifik - Criminal

Statik Selektah - Spell My Name Right

Termanology - Politics As Usual

Virtuoso - World War One: The Voice Of Reason

The Game - The Documentary

Mausberg - Non Fiction

Blu & Exile - Below the Heavens

Cali Agents - How the West Was One

Charizma & Peanut Butter Wolf - Big Shots

Kankick - From Artz Unknown

DL Incognito - A Sample and a Drum Machine

Marco Polo - Port Authority

Rugged Intellect - Renaissance Music- The Introduction

Capital D & the Molemen - Writer's Block (The Movie)

Juice - 100% Juice

Kanye West - College Dropout

Lupe Fiasco - Food and Liquor

Vakill - The Darkest Cloud

Apathy - Eastern Philosophy

Blacastan - Blac Sabbath

Dooley-O - Watch My Moves 1990

Motive - Mo-Llinium- The Takeover Begins

Binary Star - Masters of the Universe

Black Milk - Popular Demand

D12 - Devil's Night

Decompoze - Decomposition

Guilty Simpson - Ode to the Ghetto

One Be Lo - Project F.E.T.U.S

Proof - I Miss the Hip Hop Shop

Slum Village - Fantastic, Vol. 2

Asamov - And Now

Celph Titled - The Gatalog

Dead Prez - Lets Get Free

Majik Most - Molesting Hip Hop

Snowgoons - German Lugers

Supernatural - The Lost Freestyle Files

El Da Sensei - Relax, Relate, Release

Nick Wiz - Cellar Sounds, Vol. 1

Tame One - When Rappers Attack

Little Brother - The Listening

Median - Path to Relief

Splash - The Ripple Effect

Main Flow - Castle Diplomat

Baby Blak - Once You Go Blak

Chief Kamachi - Cult Status

Chief Kamachi & Juju Mob - Black Candles

Jedi Mind Tricks - Violent by Design

Jedi Mind Tricks Presents Army of the Pharaohs - The Torture Papers

Reef the Lost Cauze - Invisible Empire

Random - The Call

Ohmega Watts - The Find

Jake One - White Van Music

DJ Format - Music for the Mature B-Boy

Endemic - Terminal Illness

P Brothers - The Gas

9th Prince - Granddaddy Flow

33 the Great - Swordsports

Black Knights - Every Night is a Black Knight

Black Rose Kartel - Rose Kartel Order

Bronze Nazareth - The Great Migration

Buddah Bless - All for the Love of the Gain

Cilvaringz - I

Contribution X - Dark Destiny

Darkim Be Allah - Live At The Lab; Take 1

Dom Pachino - Tera Iz Him

Dr. Ama - Split Personali-D

Fame Lab Presents A.I.G. (Darkim Be Allah & Allahwise)

Fes Taylor - Flight 10304

G-Clef - Straight From The Crypt

Harlem 6 - Mixtape Conquer

Lounge Lo - Drop City S.I.M.P.SON (Staten Island's Most Popular Son)

Pop Da Brown Hornet - The Undaground Emperor

Raaddrr Van - The Booth, The Mic, The Lyrics

Sha Stimuli - My Soul to Keep

Shabazz the Disciple - Book of Shabazz (Hidden Scrollz)

60 Second Assassin - Remarkable Timing

Soul Kid Klik - Invisible Army

Stranga - Killa D Sound

T.H.U.G. Angelz - Welcome to Red Hook Houses

Trife Diesel - Better Late Then Never

Warcloud - Nightmares That Surface from a Shallow Sleep

Y-Kim the Ill Figure - Monster Reborn Vol. 1

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@ WizKid

Nobody benefited more from the death of B.I.G. than Jay-Z. Suddenly the king of New York was gone and Jay-Z took advantage of that. You had alot of rappers better or on the level of Jay but Jay was always a legend in his own mind, he had a stuck-up diva attitude. Some people can see through a charade but alot of people tend to believe what they see or hear. If you hear someone say he's the best or see him on TV every day then people get brainwashed. He was pushed down everybody's troat as the next great in the line. Reasonable Doubt was a classic but after that it went downhill, he still had good tracks but just like Nas the albums lacked overall. Nas never adapted to the commercial game, his heart never was in it, that goes for alot of old school legends as well. The game changed drastically with the West Coast takeover and the old New York legends had to change their style up or disappear.

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The reason Jay is as rich as he is, is because he worked his ass off to make it. You're right he is a special talent, unlike 99% of the rappers out there, he made it happen himself and has kept his &$#%#&@! together for 15 years now. He used rapping as a stepping stone to exploit his keen business sense and become a great businessman, just like Puff Daddy before him and 50 Cent after him. The reason Nas signed with Def Jam is cause Jay asked him after they patched things up. Nas never was as ambitious as Jay, he's happy where he's at and has a more mellow character than Jay. Nas might not be the businessman Jay is but he will always be a better rapper.

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Durantula83 thank you so much

Durantula83 thank you so much for that people have been hyping Jay-z for the longest he is okay but people just force him on us

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No Jay forces himself on

No Jay forces himself on everybody. American Gangsta is an amazing album when you listen to the content of that album its amazing how somebody so far removed from that world would be able to still paint such a vivid and detailed picture of him like he;s still in it. Nas could never regain those roots to his lyrics and wound up making very solid albums but not classics like jay is still banging out. And hate the album or love the album Blueprint 3 is a classic too with countless hits. One of em performed at the World Series in Yankee season. That's incredible for a rap artists to achieve that level of success and critical acclaim that could happen. And D.O.A. is about as good and creative a rap record Nas had been able to muster out in years. Jay is making better music then Nas right now and always has been thats why he is who he is.

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Ready to Die/Illmatic

Those are the albums I think of when I think of great debut albums. While I think Illmatic has a classic on every track, I go with Ready to Die as BIG is my favorite MC of all time, and Unbelievable being my favorite track of all time. I still listen to Ready to Die and just get pumped up over certain tracks like it is my first time hearing them. Illmatic has even more incredible production, classics from Premo, Pete Rock, Q-Tip, LES, Extra P, Ain't Hard To Tell is just lyrical acrobatics. I mean, Illmatic is basically flawless right after the intro. But, the bangers on Ready to Die by Mo Bee, and a couple classics, I just am partial to Ready to Die. Another thing I love about both is how they had limited guest spots, with Nas only having AZ and BIG only having Meth. As great as collabo's can get, most of the time it is just a way to try and give someone credibility and get you to buy their CD. Most of the time the collaborators do not even record together, and it can be played out, but in the cases of these guys, they just shone on the albums themselves.

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When I think I the words classic rap album or best debut Illmatic is always the first to come to mind. Illmatic is a timeless album that has flawless production and lyrics. It is the gold standard of pure hip hop. But I forgot about another classic, but criminally overlooked album from that era was AZ's Doe or Die. And FYI if anybody cares AZ is jumping on the sequel bus and releasing a Doe or Die 2 which I'm very excited about. And for those of you who are huge Biggie fans what do you guys think of Beanie Sigels debut The Truth. Thats another classic album by all accounts and Beans is somebody in my eyes who comes as close to Biggie in teams of lyrical flow, and pure homicidal/suicidal insight.

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What do you guys think

What do you guys think about

  1. Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
  2. A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory
  3. Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded
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IllMatic

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Man, I have a feeling we have the same taste in music. Love the old school classics as well, my favorite era is the mid-nineties. Got about 1600 hip-hop albums, heavy into rare vinyl as well.

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