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  • #62984
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    Illadelph
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    I have been a casual observer of LSU this season because of the Ben Simmons hype.  Simmons strikes me as an immature, spoiled, brat.  This is a guy who cannot even manage a 2.0 GPA at LSU.   Simmons strikes me as a smart, intelligent guy so why can’t he get a 2.0 at LSU?  Does he not have the respect for his teammates, school, and himself to attend class and put in a minimal amount of work to get a C average?

    For a guy who is considered the number 1 draft pick, he does not seem to be much of a team leader.  A lot of excuses have been made for him over the season, including my favorite which is that he defers too much to the upperclassmen.  Actually Simmons usually puts up great stats for a freshman.  He makes sure he gets his every game.  I’ve seen him play a few SEC games, and they were all losses.  He doesn’t seem to make anyone on his team better.  He is defintiely not a leader.  But he is ridiculously talented and is pretty much unstoppable at this level.

    I watched the LSU play at Kentucky yesterday, and I was unimpressed with LSU.  While Skal had a great game, and finally looks like a top 5 lottery talent, Simmons’ performance looked pretty bland.  For a #1 draft pick, he didn’t look particularly inspiring.  He got his as usual, but his team was blown away.  What really annoyed me though is that after the game, Simmons was asked what makes Ulis a great point guard.  His response was that Ulis gets a call every time he is touched, and that Stefan Moody (of all PGs to say this about) is a better PG than Ulis.  Pretty ridiculous statement, and highlights Simmons’ immaturity and poor sportsmanship.  I think Ulis had 14 assists, and only went to the foul line 4 times so Simmons either cannot do basic math, or he is being a petty little b*tch.  Either way, not good.

    Will he be the #1 pick in June?  Yeah.  Probably.  He will be that rarest of birds in that he will have never seen an NCAA tournament, and still bet he #1 pick.  Will he be the next Lebron as everyone seemed to be crowing about at the beginning of the season?  Maybe.  Will he be a good teammate, and likeable guy in the NBA?  Doubtful.  Strikes me as a Dwight Howard type of guy.  For these character concerns, and his inability to lead his team and make his teammates better, I am going to put him as the #2 pick in my mock draft.  I would rather have 1 Ingram than 10 Ben Simmons’.

     

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  • #1046581
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    No. Just no. Ben simmons is a little on the cocky side but what young athlete at the top of his game isn’t. The total basketball IQ on his team is very low. Hes so much better then the other players on his team. He gets bored and that’s ok for a lot of NBA GM’s, especially those at the top of the draft. He will only get better as the talent around him gets better in the nba. He wont get triple teamed in the paint. He will have a legit point guard to get him the ball when there’s a switch and he has a mouse in the house. He will have shooters to pass the ball to and athletes in transition to run with. I took a look at your Mock draft and just for the record, the suns aren’t going to take bender and another center in the lottery. We need wing scoring and someone who can produce from day 1 not someone who is going to take 2 or more years to fully develop. But of coarse that’s just my opinion… If you haven’t had chance to watch his games live go on youtube and watch a couple games that you missed, back in jan and early feb when they were relevant in the hunt for the bubble. Ben led his team and the team responded to it for awhile there until Hornsby went down with the Hernia. Don’t knock him for his immaturity. Hes not very old….

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    reinie13_phx
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    No. Just no. Ben simmons is a little on the cocky side but what young athlete at the top of his game isn’t. The total basketball IQ on his team is very low. Hes so much better then the other players on his team. He gets bored and that’s ok for a lot of NBA GM’s, especially those at the top of the draft. He will only get better as the talent around him gets better in the nba. He wont get triple teamed in the paint. He will have a legit point guard to get him the ball when there’s a switch and he has a mouse in the house. He will have shooters to pass the ball to and athletes in transition to run with. I took a look at your Mock draft and just for the record, the suns aren’t going to take bender and another center in the lottery. We need wing scoring and someone who can produce from day 1 not someone who is going to take 2 or more years to fully develop. But of coarse that’s just my opinion… If you haven’t had chance to watch his games live go on youtube and watch a couple games that you missed, back in jan and early feb when they were relevant in the hunt for the bubble. Ben led his team and the team responded to it for awhile there until Hornsby went down with the Hernia. Don’t knock him for his immaturity. Hes not very old….

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  • #1046583
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     People always want to say he’s so much better than the rest of his team, but Simmons is team worst from outside of 5 feet.

    LSU almost beat then #1 Oklahoma, they lost by just 2 points. And Simmons was the third leading LSU scorer that game, while turning the ball over 5 times and totally disappearing down the stretch.

    Any other top propsect would have that LSU team playing better than they are, and none would disrespect the team by acting all superior and not showing up for class.

    And any other top prospect would be better from outside 5 feet.

     

    Don’t think for a moment that the smarter GMs aren’t taking close notes on Simmons poor intangibles. 

    Not a Brad Stevens/Danny Ainge type of player.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    • #1046605
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      mikeyvthedon
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      Any statistical evidence of his being "team worst from outside 5 feet"? Any other top prospect would have the team playing better than they are? Well, I think we can agree to disagree on that one. Acting all superior and not showing up for class? Glad you are thoroughly entrenched in the LSU community to know all of these things, otherwise we would be clueless.

      Remember when [Player: Andre Drummond] didn’t know who [Player: Herb Pope] was? Yeah, I honestly forgot that story until this latest post of yours. People were questioning how much he loved and cared about basketball. He’s turned out pretty well. The people who used to question how aggressive [Player: Andrew Wiggins] was and where his ‘takeover mentality" was? Seems like he is doing alright as well. My point is, are we not being a bit judgemental on [Player: Ben Simmons] at this point?

      I have heard nothing about his teammates not liking him. It seems like they have struggled as a team and while Ben is a part of that, it is pretty difficult to believe that more than a handful of NCAA freshmen over the past decade would have done much better than he has. The most rich part is acting like you would not be happy to have him on the Celtics, and that he is "not a Danny Ainge type of player".

      Ainge loves big, strong players, plus ones who have ball skills and passing ability? Nope, Ben doesn’t fit the mold in the least. Not to mention, this is the same Danny Ainge who had your boy Rajon Rondo on his team 8 and a half years. Yet again though, really appreciate the thorough scouting breakdown of his game outside of 5 feet and the seasoned psychological dossier you bring to the table.

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      • #1046629
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        OhCanada-
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        Is it so hard to believe that despite his immense talent Ben Simmons may not be the clear cut number 1. 

         When you say the same people that thought Wiggins would struggle. Excuse me? I said he needed time to develop which has shown to be true. Wiggins was drawing comparisons to Lebron and Kobe. I was right when I questioned Wiggins. My post stated if a team is expecting a superstar ready to take over immediately its not going to happen rather he will need to develop. His sophomore season is almost complete and after adding another 1st overall pick (KAT) the Wolves are still in the top half of the lottery and he is playing like a less efficient Demar Derozan on a losing team. 

        Now just for the record what I am saying about Simmons is completely different.

         

         Let’s look at Simmons in a whole.

         He is a very bright kid. Great combination of size, ball handling, athleticism, agility, and basketball IQ. Its hard to state how talented he really is point being from day 1 he will be an impact player. 

          Can’t shoot. Not a good leader. Hasn’t shown much of a competitive flare at LSU (although he was a champion at Monteverde).

        So now just like Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Demar Derozan you have to build a team around him with capable shooters. Also you need players that can gaurd multiple positions because you don’t want Simmons to have to play hard D (superstars don’t play d in the NBA).

         For some reason he can’t get passing grades at LSU but I don’t think he isn’t capable he just knows he is getting by with or without the grades. Now what if he translates that to his jumpshot? He will get by with or without a jump shot and still make his way to a max contract. This behaviour is not the type conducted by a number 1 draft pick. Failing classes is not something we just sweep under the rug when analyzing talent and Simmons is no exception.

        Ben is going to be a star and will likely be the 1st overall pick but he is definitely not perfect as you and the media are portraying him to be.

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        • #1046633
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          CasualCelt

           Wiggins is still terrible on defense, which comes from the lack of fire people were right to question before his draft.

          Like Wiggins, Simmons will get enough stats to keep his "star" label, and like Wiggins, he’ll be a great tank commander.

           

           

           

           

           

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        • #1046770
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          CasualCelt

           Wiggins is still terrible on defense, which comes from the lack of fire people were right to question before his draft.

          Like Wiggins, Simmons will get enough stats to keep his "star" label, and like Wiggins, he’ll be a great tank commander.

           

           

           

           

           

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        • #1046643
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          mikeyvthedon
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          I was not calling you out for Wiggins, I was just using that as an example of something that was used as a detterent. Was fully unaware that you were the only person that made a post questioning Andrew Wiggins, much less wrote an article or was a member of the media stating such things.

          As far as grades go, I am fully unaware when a players GPA has been brought into discussion over his draft stock. Plus, not a good leader? Is that maybe just projecting something onto him we are not necessarily able to decipher just watching games on TV? There is more to leadership than what we see during a game.

          Also do not necessarily agree with "superstars" not playing D, but I guess that is your perception. My overall point with the whole point of "starting to question him as the undisputed 1st overall pick", is that you do not give any other alternatives. You can lead us to assume you mean Brandon Ingram, or Jaylen Brown, or whoever, but you did not name anyone, you just said "he should not necessarily go first".

          Just wanted you, or someone, to give reasons as to why they should go first as opposed to only reasons Simmons should not. That is what I was asking, as well as going over the painful minutiae of all of their shortcomings in the same way people do with Simmons. If you can do that and still feel he is not the #1 pick, than I am good with that. Otherwise, it just seems like you are questioning someone as "overrated" without saying who should be rated over that person.

           

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        • #1046780
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          mikeyvthedon
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          I was not calling you out for Wiggins, I was just using that as an example of something that was used as a detterent. Was fully unaware that you were the only person that made a post questioning Andrew Wiggins, much less wrote an article or was a member of the media stating such things.

          As far as grades go, I am fully unaware when a players GPA has been brought into discussion over his draft stock. Plus, not a good leader? Is that maybe just projecting something onto him we are not necessarily able to decipher just watching games on TV? There is more to leadership than what we see during a game.

          Also do not necessarily agree with "superstars" not playing D, but I guess that is your perception. My overall point with the whole point of "starting to question him as the undisputed 1st overall pick", is that you do not give any other alternatives. You can lead us to assume you mean Brandon Ingram, or Jaylen Brown, or whoever, but you did not name anyone, you just said "he should not necessarily go first".

          Just wanted you, or someone, to give reasons as to why they should go first as opposed to only reasons Simmons should not. That is what I was asking, as well as going over the painful minutiae of all of their shortcomings in the same way people do with Simmons. If you can do that and still feel he is not the #1 pick, than I am good with that. Otherwise, it just seems like you are questioning someone as "overrated" without saying who should be rated over that person.

           

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      • #1046766
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        OhCanada-
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        Is it so hard to believe that despite his immense talent Ben Simmons may not be the clear cut number 1. 

         When you say the same people that thought Wiggins would struggle. Excuse me? I said he needed time to develop which has shown to be true. Wiggins was drawing comparisons to Lebron and Kobe. I was right when I questioned Wiggins. My post stated if a team is expecting a superstar ready to take over immediately its not going to happen rather he will need to develop. His sophomore season is almost complete and after adding another 1st overall pick (KAT) the Wolves are still in the top half of the lottery and he is playing like a less efficient Demar Derozan on a losing team. 

        Now just for the record what I am saying about Simmons is completely different.

         

         Let’s look at Simmons in a whole.

         He is a very bright kid. Great combination of size, ball handling, athleticism, agility, and basketball IQ. Its hard to state how talented he really is point being from day 1 he will be an impact player. 

          Can’t shoot. Not a good leader. Hasn’t shown much of a competitive flare at LSU (although he was a champion at Monteverde).

        So now just like Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Demar Derozan you have to build a team around him with capable shooters. Also you need players that can gaurd multiple positions because you don’t want Simmons to have to play hard D (superstars don’t play d in the NBA).

         For some reason he can’t get passing grades at LSU but I don’t think he isn’t capable he just knows he is getting by with or without the grades. Now what if he translates that to his jumpshot? He will get by with or without a jump shot and still make his way to a max contract. This behaviour is not the type conducted by a number 1 draft pick. Failing classes is not something we just sweep under the rug when analyzing talent and Simmons is no exception.

        Ben is going to be a star and will likely be the 1st overall pick but he is definitely not perfect as you and the media are portraying him to be.

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      • #1046838
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        YungmUNy
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         A total aside, but after that Herb Pope reference, I had to search to see what he was up to these days, and apparently the dude robbed a bank last month. 

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      • #1046976
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        YungmUNy
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         A total aside, but after that Herb Pope reference, I had to search to see what he was up to these days, and apparently the dude robbed a bank last month. 

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    • #1046742
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      mikeyvthedon
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      Any statistical evidence of his being "team worst from outside 5 feet"? Any other top prospect would have the team playing better than they are? Well, I think we can agree to disagree on that one. Acting all superior and not showing up for class? Glad you are thoroughly entrenched in the LSU community to know all of these things, otherwise we would be clueless.

      Remember when [Player: Andre Drummond] didn’t know who [Player: Herb Pope] was? Yeah, I honestly forgot that story until this latest post of yours. People were questioning how much he loved and cared about basketball. He’s turned out pretty well. The people who used to question how aggressive [Player: Andrew Wiggins] was and where his ‘takeover mentality" was? Seems like he is doing alright as well. My point is, are we not being a bit judgemental on [Player: Ben Simmons] at this point?

      I have heard nothing about his teammates not liking him. It seems like they have struggled as a team and while Ben is a part of that, it is pretty difficult to believe that more than a handful of NCAA freshmen over the past decade would have done much better than he has. The most rich part is acting like you would not be happy to have him on the Celtics, and that he is "not a Danny Ainge type of player".

      Ainge loves big, strong players, plus ones who have ball skills and passing ability? Nope, Ben doesn’t fit the mold in the least. Not to mention, this is the same Danny Ainge who had your boy Rajon Rondo on his team 8 and a half years. Yet again though, really appreciate the thorough scouting breakdown of his game outside of 5 feet and the seasoned psychological dossier you bring to the table.

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  • #1046720
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    CasualCelt

     People always want to say he’s so much better than the rest of his team, but Simmons is team worst from outside of 5 feet.

    LSU almost beat then #1 Oklahoma, they lost by just 2 points. And Simmons was the third leading LSU scorer that game, while turning the ball over 5 times and totally disappearing down the stretch.

    Any other top propsect would have that LSU team playing better than they are, and none would disrespect the team by acting all superior and not showing up for class.

    And any other top prospect would be better from outside 5 feet.

     

    Don’t think for a moment that the smarter GMs aren’t taking close notes on Simmons poor intangibles. 

    Not a Brad Stevens/Danny Ainge type of player.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1046587
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     While it make him very delusional, I’d much rather Ben be saying his teammate is the better point than praising the opposition. This getting crazy at this point. No matter what he says people will spin it as him being "petty", if he had have praised Ulis people would have been calling him out for not backing his teammate, and when he backs up his teammates people say hes a "petty little b*tch"

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    • #1046591
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      Illadelph
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      Stefan Moody is not on Simmons’ team.  Simmons should praise his own teammates.  Too bad he didn’t in that case.

       Also, I retract the "petty little bitch" comment.  That was uncalled for, and if I could edit it out I would.  The rest of my post, I stand behind.

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    • #1046728
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      Illadelph
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      Stefan Moody is not on Simmons’ team.  Simmons should praise his own teammates.  Too bad he didn’t in that case.

       Also, I retract the "petty little bitch" comment.  That was uncalled for, and if I could edit it out I would.  The rest of my post, I stand behind.

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  • #1046724
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     While it make him very delusional, I’d much rather Ben be saying his teammate is the better point than praising the opposition. This getting crazy at this point. No matter what he says people will spin it as him being "petty", if he had have praised Ulis people would have been calling him out for not backing his teammate, and when he backs up his teammates people say hes a "petty little b*tch"

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  • #1046609
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    CavFanPR
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    Simmons is gonna be a top 5 player in the NBA once he develops that outside shot, mark my words!

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  • #1046746
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    CavFanPR
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    Simmons is gonna be a top 5 player in the NBA once he develops that outside shot, mark my words!

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  • #1046614
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    Memphisboy14
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    To be fair about his GPA being like a 1.8 we all know that it doesn’t matter. On a personal level I guess it matters and maybe a scout or 2 might kind of care. But we all know full well he’s only going to college to showcase his game and mainly because he can’t go into the NBA right away out of high school. Those guys could care less if he had at least a 2.0 they only care about how well he does on the court.

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  • #1046752
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    To be fair about his GPA being like a 1.8 we all know that it doesn’t matter. On a personal level I guess it matters and maybe a scout or 2 might kind of care. But we all know full well he’s only going to college to showcase his game and mainly because he can’t go into the NBA right away out of high school. Those guys could care less if he had at least a 2.0 they only care about how well he does on the court.

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  • #1046617
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    joe2324
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    he is certainly no Tim Duncan when it comes to character 

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  • #1046754
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    joe2324
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    he is certainly no Tim Duncan when it comes to character 

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  • #1046619
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    mikeyvthedon
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    Since Tyler Ulis has been amazing, but people have said much worse things after a tough loss. Does it not at least show maybe some emotion that the loss mattered to him, as opposed to the whole "he is only going through the motions" thing. Even if he had lackluster showings AT Tennessee and AT Kentucky (just noting that these are both road games, and teams sometimes lose those. Hell, Kentucky lost at Tennessee and Tennessee lost at Kentucky), to make it seem like it is some kind of character flaw is a pretty big stretch.

    Plus, maybe give some context as to the "I would rather have 1 (Brandon) Ingram than 10 Ben Simmons" thing? Is this because you have SOME context as to what Ben Simmons has said and done as opposed to only hearing about what Ingram has done on the court? It seems like a some information versus no, or limited information kind of thing. Did you watch Brandon Ingram play against Kentucky?

    This is not at all to tear Brandon Ingram down, because everything I have seen and heard is that he is a very solid person. Still, I think the perception of Ben Simmons "lacking winning intangibles or being this heartless malcontent who goes through the motions" (paraphrasing the general arguments) has kind of gone over the line.

    For some driving it there, I believe it is in their best interest to maybe do so. You want drama over a top pick. For those that legitimately have concerns and think their is a better prospect out there, so be it. I will just say, in our interactions with Ben Simmons, he has been a pretty damn good dude.

    He may not be on the level of the greats he has been compared to, but he is a very unique talent and I think he is actually a pretty damn good teammate. Expectations for the team obviously were not met, it does not mean that Ben has still not done a lot of good things and kept his team in some games they otherwise would not have been in.

    When you expect a player to "take over" games that their team is down double digits, yet letting a guy go through a season of struggle, than have a great game and "finally look(s) like a top 5 lottery talent", is this not somewhat of a double standard? Plus, when other prospects have rough games, are they held to the same level of accountability as Ben Simmons? To me, on this board, the answer has been a resounding no. Wanted to put that out there as food for thought.

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    • #1046625
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      CasualCelt

      "I will just say, in our interactions with Ben Simmons, he has been a pretty damn good dude."

      Food for thought.


       

       

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    • #1046762
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      CasualCelt

      "I will just say, in our interactions with Ben Simmons, he has been a pretty damn good dude."

      Food for thought.


       

       

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  • #1046756
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    mikeyvthedon
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    Since Tyler Ulis has been amazing, but people have said much worse things after a tough loss. Does it not at least show maybe some emotion that the loss mattered to him, as opposed to the whole "he is only going through the motions" thing. Even if he had lackluster showings AT Tennessee and AT Kentucky (just noting that these are both road games, and teams sometimes lose those. Hell, Kentucky lost at Tennessee and Tennessee lost at Kentucky), to make it seem like it is some kind of character flaw is a pretty big stretch.

    Plus, maybe give some context as to the "I would rather have 1 (Brandon) Ingram than 10 Ben Simmons" thing? Is this because you have SOME context as to what Ben Simmons has said and done as opposed to only hearing about what Ingram has done on the court? It seems like a some information versus no, or limited information kind of thing. Did you watch Brandon Ingram play against Kentucky?

    This is not at all to tear Brandon Ingram down, because everything I have seen and heard is that he is a very solid person. Still, I think the perception of Ben Simmons "lacking winning intangibles or being this heartless malcontent who goes through the motions" (paraphrasing the general arguments) has kind of gone over the line.

    For some driving it there, I believe it is in their best interest to maybe do so. You want drama over a top pick. For those that legitimately have concerns and think their is a better prospect out there, so be it. I will just say, in our interactions with Ben Simmons, he has been a pretty damn good dude.

    He may not be on the level of the greats he has been compared to, but he is a very unique talent and I think he is actually a pretty damn good teammate. Expectations for the team obviously were not met, it does not mean that Ben has still not done a lot of good things and kept his team in some games they otherwise would not have been in.

    When you expect a player to "take over" games that their team is down double digits, yet letting a guy go through a season of struggle, than have a great game and "finally look(s) like a top 5 lottery talent", is this not somewhat of a double standard? Plus, when other prospects have rough games, are they held to the same level of accountability as Ben Simmons? To me, on this board, the answer has been a resounding no. Wanted to put that out there as food for thought.

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  • #1046639
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    Biggysmalls
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     Simmons is fine. He’s 19 years old. He might be immature, he might not be the perfect fit for a team like the Spurs because he’s probably not "over himself", but he doesn’t seem to be a disruptive kid by any means. 

    For all his detractors – I’m borderline one of them – he’s leading the country in double doubles. He puts up 20-12 a night as a Freshman in a league littered with experienced and decorated coaches. Like him or not, that’s impressive. 

    I don’t think he’s the best prospect since LeBron or anything ridiculous like that, but he’s about a 98 percent lock to be the first pick in the draft. His biggest flaw is one of the easiest to fix and it is yet to stop him from doing good things on the court. His character, for what we know as fact, isn’t that bad. 

     

     

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    • #1046846
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      with the "hes just 19 years old" line. We hear that in college football and basketball.  Most of the time, these guys stay immature and don’t change. There are few exceptions to this. For a #1 pick, you have to be certain this is your guy with no character issues.  the issues that people are bringing up are legit and worrisome for a potential #1 pick. 

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    • #1046984
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      with the "hes just 19 years old" line. We hear that in college football and basketball.  Most of the time, these guys stay immature and don’t change. There are few exceptions to this. For a #1 pick, you have to be certain this is your guy with no character issues.  the issues that people are bringing up are legit and worrisome for a potential #1 pick. 

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  • #1046776
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    Biggysmalls
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     Simmons is fine. He’s 19 years old. He might be immature, he might not be the perfect fit for a team like the Spurs because he’s probably not "over himself", but he doesn’t seem to be a disruptive kid by any means. 

    For all his detractors – I’m borderline one of them – he’s leading the country in double doubles. He puts up 20-12 a night as a Freshman in a league littered with experienced and decorated coaches. Like him or not, that’s impressive. 

    I don’t think he’s the best prospect since LeBron or anything ridiculous like that, but he’s about a 98 percent lock to be the first pick in the draft. His biggest flaw is one of the easiest to fix and it is yet to stop him from doing good things on the court. His character, for what we know as fact, isn’t that bad. 

     

     

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  • #1046786
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    Why do users bag Ben Simmons on here, yet you cannot say a bad word about Demarcus Cousins without getting negged ?

    Wiggins was getting a bit of hate at the same time, two years ago……

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    Why do users bag Ben Simmons on here, yet you cannot say a bad word about Demarcus Cousins without getting negged ?

    Wiggins was getting a bit of hate at the same time, two years ago……

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  • #1046896
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    theballerway
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    I think a lot of the sway in opinion is due to the hype. He was the face of the program at the school and n the media. Just like he is getting the blame for when things go badly now it was the reverse in the beginning of the season it was all about how great he was and how poor his team was, then as the ship started to sink the blame was on the coaching staff now its shifted to him.

    Announcers constantly proclaiming him the no1 pick cant help. His media comparisons are Lebron, Magic, even though he screams Lamar Odom( who had enough of a jumpshot in college for a couple game winning 3s btw)

     Since he was proclaimed as a savior but hasn’t saved anybody I wouldn’t be surprised if there I friction with other players tbh. We all have egos if not pride.

    Hes a unique player and people need to accept that rather than wanting hi to be like others.

    Probs still no1 pick either way you slice it but he is not the only option as Espn etc would have you believe

     

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    theballerway
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    I think a lot of the sway in opinion is due to the hype. He was the face of the program at the school and n the media. Just like he is getting the blame for when things go badly now it was the reverse in the beginning of the season it was all about how great he was and how poor his team was, then as the ship started to sink the blame was on the coaching staff now its shifted to him.

    Announcers constantly proclaiming him the no1 pick cant help. His media comparisons are Lebron, Magic, even though he screams Lamar Odom( who had enough of a jumpshot in college for a couple game winning 3s btw)

     Since he was proclaimed as a savior but hasn’t saved anybody I wouldn’t be surprised if there I friction with other players tbh. We all have egos if not pride.

    Hes a unique player and people need to accept that rather than wanting hi to be like others.

    Probs still no1 pick either way you slice it but he is not the only option as Espn etc would have you believe

     

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     My thing is the IQ and being able to take the media and playoff runs. It is a huge burden to deal with the mental toughness aspect of the game. Can he take the pressure? The greats have some sort of edge mentally that the rest don’t. I know school and playing ball is tough at the same time. Just school alone is tough. It should be a pride thing to increase your intellegance level though while in school for only one year. It should be fun to learn new things.

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     My thing is the IQ and being able to take the media and playoff runs. It is a huge burden to deal with the mental toughness aspect of the game. Can he take the pressure? The greats have some sort of edge mentally that the rest don’t. I know school and playing ball is tough at the same time. Just school alone is tough. It should be a pride thing to increase your intellegance level though while in school for only one year. It should be fun to learn new things.

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    I would be very cautious in taking Simmons #1 overall if i’m a team like the sixers or another franchise not going anywhere for a few years. The excuse you hear constantly when it comes to character issues is, "oh hes only19 or hes only 20 – hes just a KID"  Well, sadly, the "hes just a kid" nonsense usually sticks with guys well into their career. Some guys turn it around but not many do.  The only team I see drafting in the lottery that will be a good fit for Simmons is boston under stevens. The sixers need to be careful because the franchise is already a mess. The best option for a team like the sixers is to draft 2nd, take Ingram and hope the lakers pick falls out of the top 3 and maybe grab Buddy Hield. 

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    I would be very cautious in taking Simmons #1 overall if i’m a team like the sixers or another franchise not going anywhere for a few years. The excuse you hear constantly when it comes to character issues is, "oh hes only19 or hes only 20 – hes just a KID"  Well, sadly, the "hes just a kid" nonsense usually sticks with guys well into their career. Some guys turn it around but not many do.  The only team I see drafting in the lottery that will be a good fit for Simmons is boston under stevens. The sixers need to be careful because the franchise is already a mess. The best option for a team like the sixers is to draft 2nd, take Ingram and hope the lakers pick falls out of the top 3 and maybe grab Buddy Hield. 

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