[CpizzieParticipant]

ben mclemore = jr smith

[TMoney617Participant]

I agree they have the same talent level and are very similar and that’s what makes McLemore an interesting prospect. However, he seems to have a much better head on his shoulders so I think he will be better than Smith down the road.

[TMoney617Participant]

I agree they have the same talent level and are very similar and that’s what makes McLemore an interesting prospect. However, he seems to have a much better head on his shoulders so I think he will be better than Smith down the road.

[CpizzieParticipant]

ben mclemore = jr smith

[The QParticipant]

Ben Mac.

And it’s not even close.

Waiters was a reach at 4.

He wasn’t a better prospect than guys taken at 8 and 12.

[The QParticipant]

Ben Mac.

And it’s not even close.

Waiters was a reach at 4.

He wasn’t a better prospect than guys taken at 8 and 12.

[don042488Participant]

Who’s the better prospect between Ben Mclemore and Dion Waiters? My answer is Ben Mclemore

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

B Mac obviously

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

B Mac obviously

[PistonsFan22Participant]

McLemore but not by a whole lot. I think McLemore is more efficient offensively in most areas. His shooting touch is so great and he has the potential to be a very well rounded player, he needs to work hard on his ball handling.

There are two things I love about Waiters. His ability to get to the basket. Waiters could be devastating if he focused his game more around driving to the basket and getting out in transition but he takes badly contested jumpers too often. Also I like that he has quick hands and feet and is going to create more steals than McLemore.

[PistonsFan22Participant]

McLemore but not by a whole lot. I think McLemore is more efficient offensively in most areas. His shooting touch is so great and he has the potential to be a very well rounded player, he needs to work hard on his ball handling.

There are two things I love about Waiters. His ability to get to the basket. Waiters could be devastating if he focused his game more around driving to the basket and getting out in transition but he takes badly contested jumpers too often. Also I like that he has quick hands and feet and is going to create more steals than McLemore.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Three guard rotations are all the rage now. If they take Ben Mac then their guard rotation is set for the next decade.

I can see all the debate here, but if they did take Otto Porter at 3 or 4, then what would they do if Andrew Wiggins was available? Would they pass on Wiggins because they already have Porter? Heck no!

I have no idea what they should do though (other than take the best player), but I still like them with Victor Oladipo. Perfect fit next to Kyrie Irving, or as a super energy guy off the bench. They can also go small with Kyrie, Vic, and Dion Waiters which would give other teams fits.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Three guard rotations are all the rage now. If they take Ben Mac then their guard rotation is set for the next decade.

I can see all the debate here, but if they did take Otto Porter at 3 or 4, then what would they do if Andrew Wiggins was available? Would they pass on Wiggins because they already have Porter? Heck no!

I have no idea what they should do though (other than take the best player), but I still like them with Victor Oladipo. Perfect fit next to Kyrie Irving, or as a super energy guy off the bench. They can also go small with Kyrie, Vic, and Dion Waiters which would give other teams fits.

[aramboneParticipant]

Waiters has a better scorer’s mentality and can create his own shot better. He could average 20ppg this year, drawing lots of fouls in the process. Mclemore might be a better fit next to Irving, and might be better than Waiters overall, but Waiters is highly driven and highly talented offensively.

[aramboneParticipant]

Waiters has a better scorer’s mentality and can create his own shot better. He could average 20ppg this year, drawing lots of fouls in the process. Mclemore might be a better fit next to Irving, and might be better than Waiters overall, but Waiters is highly driven and highly talented offensively.

[JCliff24Participant]

Mclemore has the same hype as Bradley Beal. Ray Allens touch, Explosive, etc.

After one season of play, Id take Waiters over Beal. I watched Dion all season long, at times his shots were forced, but that was the 1st half of the season. He gets to the hole at will, and strangely once he got there, a lot of his lay ups didn’t fall. As he develops a bit more body control and those few extra lay ups drop, and his shot selection stays smart. Like Arambone said, he can easily put up 20ppg. He averaged 14.7 in 28.8 minutes, not bad at all for a rook.

[JCliff24Participant]

Mclemore has the same hype as Bradley Beal. Ray Allens touch, Explosive, etc.

After one season of play, Id take Waiters over Beal. I watched Dion all season long, at times his shots were forced, but that was the 1st half of the season. He gets to the hole at will, and strangely once he got there, a lot of his lay ups didn’t fall. As he develops a bit more body control and those few extra lay ups drop, and his shot selection stays smart. Like Arambone said, he can easily put up 20ppg. He averaged 14.7 in 28.8 minutes, not bad at all for a rook.

[brd722Participant]

You have to go with Ben here. The only thing he lacks right now is the killer instinct, but I’d like to think that’s something he can develop with age. He has all the tools to be an all-star caliber player in this league. Waiters is a little too small to play the two, and doesn’t possess the play making ability to play the one. I think he will eventually fit right into the role he had at Syracuse and be a volume scorer off the bench. A Lou Williams if you will.

[brd722Participant]

You have to go with Ben here. The only thing he lacks right now is the killer instinct, but I’d like to think that’s something he can develop with age. He has all the tools to be an all-star caliber player in this league. Waiters is a little too small to play the two, and doesn’t possess the play making ability to play the one. I think he will eventually fit right into the role he had at Syracuse and be a volume scorer off the bench. A Lou Williams if you will.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

I said about a week or two ago that Cleveland should take B-Mac if they had the chance and play all three guards together. The fact that Waiters is a combo-guard is great because the Cavaliers have the option to play Irving-Waiters, Waiters-BMac, or Irving-BMac.

With Irving playing 36 minutes at PG, Waiters the other 12.
Benny Mac playing 30 minutes at SG, Waiters the other 18.

Irving 36 minutes.
Waiters 30 minutes.
BMac 30 minutes. (He probably won’t play 30 minutes as a rookie but I’m talking big picture)

For SPOT minutes, the Cavs can play small ball and play Irving-Waiters-BMac together, which would add 2-4 minutes to their MPG as well.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

I said about a week or two ago that Cleveland should take B-Mac if they had the chance and play all three guards together. The fact that Waiters is a combo-guard is great because the Cavaliers have the option to play Irving-Waiters, Waiters-BMac, or Irving-BMac.

With Irving playing 36 minutes at PG, Waiters the other 12.
Benny Mac playing 30 minutes at SG, Waiters the other 18.

Irving 36 minutes.
Waiters 30 minutes.
BMac 30 minutes. (He probably won’t play 30 minutes as a rookie but I’m talking big picture)

For SPOT minutes, the Cavs can play small ball and play Irving-Waiters-BMac together, which would add 2-4 minutes to their MPG as well.

[WITNESS2014Participant]

I think they should take Bmac with the first pic. Just like TOL23 said above you can put any of the combinations on floor at same time. I would start Bmac and bring Waiters off the bench. This year they would probably continue to play Gee and Miles at sf, TT at pf and varaejo at C. Get the real SF you want in FA or the draft next year.

[WITNESS2014Participant]

I think they should take Bmac with the first pic. Just like TOL23 said above you can put any of the combinations on floor at same time. I would start Bmac and bring Waiters off the bench. This year they would probably continue to play Gee and Miles at sf, TT at pf and varaejo at C. Get the real SF you want in FA or the draft next year.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

I agree with you Witness. If you get McLemore you won’t have to think about the guard spot for the next 10 years. Then put a small forward next to those guys with next year’s pick.

OR, take that kid from Greece if he is there at 19.

Those guards with TT the other bigs and a healthy AV looks like a playoff team (or close to it). Or they could trade Andy and get some picks and prospects for him. I think they could get Perry Jones and the12th pick for him easy (might have to take Kendrick Perkins’ contract too, but he wouldn’t be had as a veteran enforcer for a couple of years).

With the 12th pick they can take a flyer on Adams, go with a legit defensive center in Dieng, or someone else with some talent.

They can then go small with Irving, Waiters, McLemore, Perry Jones, and Tristan Thompson.

Or, they can trade the 12th pick and a second rounder for the Hawks picks at 17 and 18. Then they have picks 17, 18, and 19.

New team:

Starters:

PG Kyrie Irving
SG Dion Waiters
SF Alonzo Gee
PF Tristan Thompson
C Gorgui Dieng (with the 17th pick)

Bench

Bench:

PG Peyton Siva (with other second round pick)
SG Ben McLemore
SF The kid from Greece (18th pick)/Glen Rice, Jr. (19th pick)
PF Perry Jones
C Tyler Zeller/Kendrick Perkins

Lots of young talent there. That could be an absolutely dangerous team in 2 or 3 years.

[JmpasqParticipant]

I think McLemore is a safe pick , at worst would be a 3rd option/6th Man, at best profiles as a 2nd option . He has enough athletic ability and a killer jump shot. The only thing holding him back is he isnt a great ball handler and doesnt create well for himself or teammates. Seen a comparison to JR Smith and in some ways its fair although McLemore is a lot better with his shot selection

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

I agree with you Witness. If you get McLemore you won’t have to think about the guard spot for the next 10 years. Then put a small forward next to those guys with next year’s pick.

OR, take that kid from Greece if he is there at 19.

Those guards with TT the other bigs and a healthy AV looks like a playoff team (or close to it). Or they could trade Andy and get some picks and prospects for him. I think they could get Perry Jones and the12th pick for him easy (might have to take Kendrick Perkins’ contract too, but he wouldn’t be had as a veteran enforcer for a couple of years).

With the 12th pick they can take a flyer on Adams, go with a legit defensive center in Dieng, or someone else with some talent.

They can then go small with Irving, Waiters, McLemore, Perry Jones, and Tristan Thompson.

Or, they can trade the 12th pick and a second rounder for the Hawks picks at 17 and 18. Then they have picks 17, 18, and 19.

New team:

Starters:

PG Kyrie Irving
SG Dion Waiters
SF Alonzo Gee
PF Tristan Thompson
C Gorgui Dieng (with the 17th pick)

Bench

Bench:

PG Peyton Siva (with other second round pick)
SG Ben McLemore
SF The kid from Greece (18th pick)/Glen Rice, Jr. (19th pick)
PF Perry Jones
C Tyler Zeller/Kendrick Perkins

Lots of young talent there. That could be an absolutely dangerous team in 2 or 3 years.

[JmpasqParticipant]

I think McLemore is a safe pick , at worst would be a 3rd option/6th Man, at best profiles as a 2nd option . He has enough athletic ability and a killer jump shot. The only thing holding him back is he isnt a great ball handler and doesnt create well for himself or teammates. Seen a comparison to JR Smith and in some ways its fair although McLemore is a lot better with his shot selection

[ThepessimestParticipant]

I believe McLemore is a better prospect; however, more importantly I believe he is a better fit next to Kyrie. The reason why I say this is because he is a bigger SG who plays well without the basketball. He is also more of a shooter than Waiters; who was a reach last year where he was drafted. Waiters to me may be a guy who will be better suited as a 6th man. Waiters is a little inefficient and somewhat of a guy who dominates the ball. If I am Cleveland I trade Waiters for a veteran or someone who can fill a need. Trade him now before his stock drops. There is a slight chance that Waiters loses weight and becomes more efficient as a player but I still feel his style of play requires that he has the ball in his hands and that will conflict with Kyrie who is also best with the ball in his hands.

Long story short; I like Ben McLemore

[ThepessimestParticipant]

I believe McLemore is a better prospect; however, more importantly I believe he is a better fit next to Kyrie. The reason why I say this is because he is a bigger SG who plays well without the basketball. He is also more of a shooter than Waiters; who was a reach last year where he was drafted. Waiters to me may be a guy who will be better suited as a 6th man. Waiters is a little inefficient and somewhat of a guy who dominates the ball. If I am Cleveland I trade Waiters for a veteran or someone who can fill a need. Trade him now before his stock drops. There is a slight chance that Waiters loses weight and becomes more efficient as a player but I still feel his style of play requires that he has the ball in his hands and that will conflict with Kyrie who is also best with the ball in his hands.

Long story short; I like Ben McLemore

[theballerwayParticipant]

wise I think Waiters showed he wasnt a reach. I just dont see how Bmac is way better like so many of you are saying. He is 6-4 so this big shooting guard talk is a myth. 65 with shoes if you wanna nit pick but then youve only increased the height at that position by an inch. He can hit spot up jumpers with great consistancy and hes a bad boy filling the lane. He cant play ny other positions. He cant create a shot aside from the one dribble pull up against an overzealous defender. so basically your taking a spot up shooter with a pretty jay as the first pick in the draft and then calling Waiters a reach. crazy.

I prefer Waiters as a prospect as hes able to play to positions, strong, can get to the rim as ell as hit from deep and off the dribble . Has good scooring instincts but can find other players.

just my opinion

[theballerwayParticipant]

wise I think Waiters showed he wasnt a reach. I just dont see how Bmac is way better like so many of you are saying. He is 6-4 so this big shooting guard talk is a myth. 65 with shoes if you wanna nit pick but then youve only increased the height at that position by an inch. He can hit spot up jumpers with great consistancy and hes a bad boy filling the lane. He cant play ny other positions. He cant create a shot aside from the one dribble pull up against an overzealous defender. so basically your taking a spot up shooter with a pretty jay as the first pick in the draft and then calling Waiters a reach. crazy.

I prefer Waiters as a prospect as hes able to play to positions, strong, can get to the rim as ell as hit from deep and off the dribble . Has good scooring instincts but can find other players.

just my opinion

[aramboneParticipant]

If Irving had a better injury record, drafting Ben would make less sense. None of these three wants to be limited to 30-33 mpg, and none of them are well suited to guarding tall sgs or any sfs.

I bet Cleveland trades the pick. They can draft spot up shooters with one or more of their other 3 picks or can trade #1 for a stud sf or sg/sf. Cleveland is ready to make a jump though. They could even attract a free agent like Iggy perhaps because of all their young talent and picks.

[aramboneParticipant]

If Irving had a better injury record, drafting Ben would make less sense. None of these three wants to be limited to 30-33 mpg, and none of them are well suited to guarding tall sgs or any sfs.

I bet Cleveland trades the pick. They can draft spot up shooters with one or more of their other 3 picks or can trade #1 for a stud sf or sg/sf. Cleveland is ready to make a jump though. They could even attract a free agent like Iggy perhaps because of all their young talent and picks.

[r377Participant]

I would take Mclemore and Dipo over Waiters, but thats just me…..

[r377Participant]

I would take Mclemore and Dipo over Waiters, but thats just me…..

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